Colorado About To Defect Back To The Big 12
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Beautiful area. Hands down the cleanest college town I’ve ever been to. Would love to catch a WVU game there.
I hope Utah gets the other spot so we can all laugh at UConn losing at the realignment game of musical chairs yet again.
Agree with sentiment above about Colorado having a beautiful campus and one of the best College towns ive ever seen, right up there with Madison WI and Chapel Hill
After Texas and Oklahoma announced that they were leaving the Big 12, everyone said that the conference was on its deathbed. Then, for some reason (and before USC and UCLA announced), everyone said the PAC12 was on its deathbed. But, the Big 12 invites BYU, Cincy, and the others, and suddenly THAT'S the more desirable conference?
I don't think it necessarily has to be a pair right now. Colorado could be the only school at first and others could come soon after or later.
I think GK has been stringing this media deal thing on too long. I can see some schools losing patience and then the window for leaving in a particular year closes or they get stuck in GOR deal. He may be trying to string it out to lock them to a point where they can't make a move in the short term so Colorado could be calling his bluff and wanting hard numbers and facts.
It's desirable only because they jumped ahead of the PAC12 and got the tv deal done. If not for that, it's a wash and maybe even in favor of the PAC12. Problem is they didn't get their deal done and the B12 did and most media companies are counting their pennies now.
In the end though, as long as all these conferences still have playoff access (autobid) there still will be opportunity for schools to achieve big accomplishments even if they're getting less money.
Here you go with the mention of losing patience. A bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush and in this case it might less than 1 in the bush. GK strung it out too long but it might not have been a bad play because he might have nothing tangible that's good so stringing it along was probably the best move he could make.
Despite the fact that's it's being widely reported, no one has said for certain Colorado is moving. A lot of "coulds" and "mights," only McMurphy came out with 98% chance from his source.
I'm not sure what the proper joke is, but something like "Colorado enters the transfer portal" seems about right.
Well McMurphy has gone from 98% to all in now. That would be the first domino, now will it lead to more. I'm sure that's what Yormark is banking on.
Then if this domino falls and more fall, then you wonder if the B10 will take the opportunity to circle back to Oregon/Washington. I mean it would have leverage already but the PAC12 losing schools to the B12 would just increase that leverage many fold.
Then if this domino falls and more fall, then you wonder if the B10 will take the opportunity to circle back to Oregon/Washington. I mean it would have leverage already but the PAC12 losing schools to the B12 would just increase that leverage many fold.
How bad of a Commissioner is GK? Losing USC/UCLA and now Colorado? How is he still employed?
I don't blame him completely because the presidents have a say too. When the B12 was weak after Texas/OU left the PAC12 didn't try to add any of them and they could have. I think that was the presidents more than GK. I don't know what GK's thoughts on it were though but for sure the presidents didn't want to do it. Kind of like Yormark wanting UConn but the presidents not wanting them for now (not that UConn is critical at the moment) or Warren wanting to expand more into the west but the B10 presidents hesitant for the time being.
The blame I'd put at his feet is being jumped by Yormark for the tv deal. Yormark was told by a consulting firm get the deal done now and he did. If GK got that done first this could be a reverse situation but he didn't.
I think the B1G doesn’t want to take the step that actually destroys the PAC12 given their history with them.
I’m sure they would love the Colorado move to be the impetus for Utah and the AZ schools looking for an exit, then they can be free to move for Wash and Oregon.
Dominoes? We’ll see.
From the article:
“If Colorado brings the four corners (fellow Pac-12 members Utah, Arizona and Arizona State), that’s the ideal scenario,” one source told SI. “I don’t think that’s going to happen. Our schools love the four corners, going from 12 to 16. Can Colorado bring in Arizona or Utah? Arizona more likely than Utah.”
Also this from the Forde article. B10 move? ACC adds UConn instead?
From the article:
The rest of the conferences have been watching this raid unfold with great interest and great trepidation. A source in another power conference told SI Wednesday, “We’re happy where we are, but we always have to be ready to react. If the Pac-12 falls apart, we might find ourselves considering moves we don’t really want to make, depending on what other leagues are doing.”
From the article:
The rest of the conferences have been watching this raid unfold with great interest and great trepidation. A source in another power conference told SI Wednesday, “We’re happy where we are, but we always have to be ready to react. If the Pac-12 falls apart, we might find ourselves considering moves we don’t really want to make, depending on what other leagues are doing.”
Umm, taking their 2 best revenue generating schools pretty much did destroy them.
I'm doubting the B1G commish is going to get Christmas cards from any of the remaining Pac12 members.
Going to be on UHF
I wonder what the PAC thinks about putting SDSU on hold too. It Colorado leaves that could’ve been a quick replacement at least in the short term.
I think SDSU put the PAC on hold when they asked back in the Mountain West and agreed to pay the legal costs from when they asked to leave to the cost of returning.
In my opinion
That was a sign that SDSU felt the PAC wasn't going to survive as a P-5 Conference.
Now Colorado is the 3rd nail in coffin
Games may be on tape delay due to Lucha Libre.
I don’t think that what happened. SDSU was ready to move but the PAC and GK stiff armed them saying we’re not adding anyone til we have the tv deal done. Then SDSU went crawling back to the MWC and may get stuck there for a bit as opposed to being ready to come on board in 2024.
Sounds like an Aug first deadline is what pushed this to happen now. You know if there are more dominoes to fall, wonder what Washington and Oregon do. Will they move to the B12 too if the B10 doesn’t come calling or will the B10 finally give in or will they stay put in the depleted PAC and just try to rule that roost until the B10 hopefully calls.
Oregon now has a meeting scheduled Thurs at 10am. Not sure how to attach a screenshot or link: https://trustees.uoregon.edu/meetings
Supposedly this was scheduled last minute. Some say Oregon meeting is to approve Dan lanning contract extension but not sure if that warrants a last minute meeting. Could be knowing Colorado moving on and discussing their next steps.
Supposedly this was scheduled last minute. Some say Oregon meeting is to approve Dan lanning contract extension but not sure if that warrants a last minute meeting. Could be knowing Colorado moving on and discussing their next steps.
Nebraska has been rumored to be unhappy in the B1G for a long time. Maybe because they slipped even further from their glory days after joining. I doubt they give up the big bucks of the B1G but I wouldn’t mind if they left to go back to the Big 12 and are replaced with Washington, Oregon, and ultimately ND.
The next few days are going to be extremely interesting. Does the B1G cut the Big 12 off at the knees by adding Oregon and Washington? Stay tuned.
Just wanted to add that the Pac-12 tried very hard to get Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, and Texas Tech. But the deal fell apart because Texas wanted to keep its own TV network This was extensively reported at the time. https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2015/6/17/8767533/conference-realignment-texas-pac-12
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in effect it did, but if the B12 takes a few schools and then the PAC12 finally falls apart, the B1G leadership will get to agree with each other at their cocktail parties that they aren’t to blame.
We all understand the Pac 12 is a bit of hot mess right now. Maybe the new TV deal will be that bad. I had been reading the deal is expected to be roughly on par with Big 12 and ACC deals. Now, who knows?
But thinking about the schools in each conference - the Pac 12 has the flagship state universities of five other states (six including Colorado), plus Stanford. The Big 12 has the flagship state universities of Kansas and West Virginia, plus second-, third- and fourth-tier schools from a bunch of states, plus three religious schools. I'll just say that Boulder is culturally a lot closer to Berkeley and Tempe than Waco and Stillwater.
But thinking about the schools in each conference - the Pac 12 has the flagship state universities of five other states (six including Colorado), plus Stanford. The Big 12 has the flagship state universities of Kansas and West Virginia, plus second-, third- and fourth-tier schools from a bunch of states, plus three religious schools. I'll just say that Boulder is culturally a lot closer to Berkeley and Tempe than Waco and Stillwater.
Does anyone care about cultural closeness? Cal, for instance, from time to time plays Air Force, and no one seems unhappy about that.CIn addition, Colorado long played several of the Big 12 schools, so they're not unfamiliar. Perhaps most important, to quote Bob Dylan ,"Money doesn't talk, it swears."
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Evidently the PAC12 commissioner kept telling the schools that they would be on par financially with the B12, but as recently as this week would not give up any actual details to them.
I am guessing the deals he was scraping together had benchmarks instead of being fully guaranteed, and/or were with providers that would be viewed as suboptimal.