Conference title games in the super conference era

[615dawg]

ACC: Virginia vs. Duke (Duke is 7-5, wins 5 way tiebreaker)
B1G: Ohio State vs. Indiana (only two unbeatens in CFB)
B12: Texas Tech vs. BYU (it worked out. only 2 8-1 teams in conference play, TT won regular season)
SEC: Georgia vs. Alabama (Ole Miss and Texas A&M also 7-1, lost on tiebreakers)
American: Tulane vs. North Texas (Navy also 7-1, loses tiebreaker)
CUSA: Jax State vs. Kennesaw St (worked out, only 2 7-1 teams)
MAC: WMU vs. Miami (Ohio) (WMU 7-1 but Miami lost to both teams they are tied with but wins on tiebreaker, what the hell? )
Sun Belt: JMU vs. Troy (Divisions work perfectly)
MW: TBD (computer rankings will decide both participants)

10 teams have a record equal to teams playing in conference title games but are out on tiebreakers. Nothing weirder than the MAC though.

 

[QuaoarsKing]

Even though they make money, you have to wonder if these games are going to be axed at some point. A lot of teams don't even want to play.

If the regular season were over today, I think 10-2 Alabama and 11-1 BYU would be in, but now as their "reward" they have to play a team they've already played and if they lose they may be out, with teams like Notre Dame and Miami, who don't have a game to play, potentially taking their spots.

The flip side can happen too. Miami would have a stronger case for the playoffs if the ACCCG didn't exist and they could just be the 2nd place ACC team.

And then what benefit is it for Ohio State and Indiana to play when the loser still gets a 1st round bye and Oregon gets to be fresher in the playoffs?

I think you could see all 10 conferences collectively agree to go to 24-32 teams, starting the 1st Saturday of December and ending on or around January 1, and at least making more money than the current system.

 

[615dawg]

I think you could see all 10 conferences collectively agree to go to 24-32 teams, starting the 1st Saturday of December and ending on or around January 1, and at least making more money than the current system.

Agreed. I think 32 is right with a bunch of auto bids and a computer ranking for at-large teams.

Top 6 Big Ten
Top 6 SEC
Top 4 ACC
Top 4 Big 12
Top 1 each G5
7 at-large

It sounds crazy now, but college football will balance out. In the peak of the 4 team playoff era, 88 of the top 100 high school players went to 6 schools. Expanding to 12 has expanded the talent. Expanding to 32 will expand it even more.

 

[8dog]

Is the Big 12 a 2 bid league with a BYU win?

 

[Villagedawg]

Agreed. I think 32 is right with a bunch of auto bids and a computer ranking for at-large teams.

Top 6 Big Ten
Top 6 SEC
Top 4 ACC
Top 4 Big 12
Top 1 each G5
7 at-large

It sounds crazy now, but college football will balance out. In the peak of the 4 team playoff era, 88 of the top 100 high school players went to 6 schools. Expanding to 12 has expanded the talent. Expanding to 32 will expand it even more.

Probably so, but with 12 right now we all know the winner will most likely be Georgia, Alabama, Ohio State, or Oregon. We knew that in August.

 

[DesotoCountyDawg]

If the field expands for the playoffs they aren’t going away because I’m sure the conference champion will get an autobid. If you have a scenario like this year with Duke winning the ACC championship game that would be another ACC team in the field that shouldn’t be there. More money and exposure for the ACC.

 

[QuaoarsKing]

Probably so, but with 12 right now we all know the winner will most likely be Georgia, Alabama, Ohio State, or Oregon. We knew that in August.

I think that's a great argument for expansion.

If teams 16-32 had a great shot of winning the whole thing, the regular season wouldn't mean much. But since they don't, they just add to the fun and excitement of the playoffs without devaluing the regular season. Kinda like basketball has a huge tournament but it's almost always won by one of the 5-10 teams you'd expect.

 

[QuaoarsKing]

If the field expands for the playoffs they aren’t going away because I’m sure the conference champion will get an autobid. If you have a scenario like this year with Duke winning the ACC championship game that would be another ACC team in the field that shouldn’t be there. More money and exposure for the ACC.

It would be better to give the autobids to the actual best teams in the conference, not someone who happened to qualify through a big tiebreak.

 

[DesotoCountyDawg]

It would be better to give the autobids to the actual best teams in the conference, not someone who happened to qualify through a big tiebreak.

The best team in each conference is going in the playoff regardless.

 

[QuaoarsKing]

The best team in each conference is going in the playoff regardless.

Sounds like it's all good then.

 

[DesotoCountyDawg]

Sounds like it's all good then.

Just nevermind. Jesus.

 

[Perd Hapley]

Is the Big 12 a 2 bid league with a BYU win?

Yes.

 

[Perd Hapley]

If the field expands for the playoffs they aren’t going away because I’m sure the conference champion will get an autobid. If you have a scenario like this year with Duke winning the ACC championship game that would be another ACC team in the field that shouldn’t be there. More money and exposure for the ACC.

Duke is very possibly out even if they win the ACC title.

 

[Perd Hapley]

If the regular season were over today, I think 10-2 Alabama and 11-1 BYU would be in

Bama would be, BYU would not, however.

 

[DesotoCountyDawg]

Duke is very possibly out even if they win the ACC title.

That’s my point. If the field expands to 20+ teams the conference championship games won’t go away because weaker conferences could possibly cram in another team by them winning the championship game.

 

[QuaoarsKing]

That’s my point. If the field expands to 20+ teams the conference championship games won’t go away because weaker conferences could possibly cram in another team by them winning the championship game.

The scenario you describe would be a rare, once-in-a-decade type of thing, and even when it happens, the ACC would be much better served by having Georgia Tech as its 3rd team, not Duke.

 

[mstateglfr]

Is the Big 12 a 2 bid league with a BYU win?

Absolutely should be...only my view though. No idea what the computers say.

Leaving TT out, when they are ranked 5th heading into that game, would be nuts.
That would be an immediate questioning of whether that game should even be played moving forward.