Congress to address NCAA football

Trojanbulldog19

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It's forever wild to me how many Mississippi junior colleges play football and offer scholarships.
What would a lot of those young men do if not for football getting them into a junior college classroom even if for a little while? Some of these small school players aren't making the big bucks but they are getting a scholarship to possibly better their life. What's wrong with that?
 
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I think you could make a very strong case the current state and trajectory of CFB is primarily due to market forces.
dorn, I don't disagree at all, but your language sounds just like some corporate press release.
 

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What would a lot of those young men do if not for football getting them into a junior college classroom even if for a little while? Some of these small school players aren't making the big bucks but they are getting a scholarship to possibly better their life. What's wrong with that?
Sure, but if there's money for that scholarship already - it's not like the football program at Co-Lin is sustaining itself and paying for other things like at State. They (taxpayers) are paying for a kid to go to college AND paying for him to play football. Why not just do the college part?
 

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Sure, but if there's money for that scholarship already - it's not like the football program at Co-Lin is sustaining itself and paying for other things like at State. They (taxpayers) are paying for a kid to go to college AND paying for him to play football. Why not just do the college part?
More than likely that kid probably wouldn't go to Colin otherwise. It may not help every kid, but i would say it's an investment into getting at least some of these guys a college education even if it's from Colin. They can learn a trade or at least get something past Magee high school which I would think benefits the state if they get a better job and put back into state tax revenue. Although that's not always the case would be good study for the state to do to see how many college athletes at junior colleges in state to see what they are doing now and see if return on investment is good for getting them in school as opposed to others. In my opinion it gives opportunity where otherwise they wouldn't like it get it for some. Lot of poor folks in Mississippi. Gives activities for people to do as well that keeps some of these guys out of trouble. Some not all.
 
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Trojanbulldog19

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Sure, but if there's money for that scholarship already - it's not like the football program at Co-Lin is sustaining itself and paying for other things like at State. They (taxpayers) are paying for a kid to go to college AND paying for him to play football. Why not just do the college part?
I would agree with you and say we probably have too many schools that tax payers can't afford
 

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I think you could make a very strong case the current state and trajectory of CFB is primarily due to market forces.
I am starting to agree. The desire to win (in football) has superseded everything here. Doesn't matter if it's just ego, revenue or FOMO, but it's there. My evidence:

- All these states rushed to pass NIL legislation in 2021, as soon as it was legal. Even TateR;
- More and more teams are rushing to become FBS and join conferences.....NOT the other way around;
- It's non-revenue sports on the chopping block....not football programs, due to rev share;
- The people complaining the loudest are coaches......who now have to work harder for their money;
- Boosters continue to pay.....I'm sure these NIL deals are wildly overblown but the money keeps flowing;
- Football in general just continues to grow in popularity despite the harsh nature of it (including concussions);
- People are actually still showing up to games, when their team is good;
- TV numbers are astronomical, no matter if games are good or not.

Me personally, I used to like the idea that the players chose the same school I did, we were all Mississippians or were somehow connected, and it was a tribal 'us vs them' sort of thing, where we all could feel good about ourselves when our team won. And that is why I struggle so much with the new era that is more money oriented. Well, and my age (other priorities). And the idea that MSU sucks - because I'm definitely having fun watching the bought-and-paid-for basketball team.

So let's no longer fool ourselves here. I still am having a hard time grasping the level of money that so many appear to have. While I'm over here wearing the same suit 3 days in a row riding a train to work with my balls sweating (IYKYK).

So Congress ain't fixing shlt. All they can do is maybe make something illegal, and then it goes on the black market, like what has been happening for 50 years. Boosters obviously want this....they are willing to part with their money to win football games.......so let them do it. Stimulates the economy.
 
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More than likely that kid probably wouldn't go to Colin otherwise. It may not help every kid, but i would say it's an investment into getting at least some of these guys a college education even if it's from Colin. They can learn a trade or at least get something past Magee high school which I would think benefits the state if they get a better job and put back into state tax revenue. Although that's not always the case would be good study for the state to do to see how many college athletes at junior colleges in state to see what they are doing now and see if return on investment is good for getting them in school as opposed to others. In my opinion it gives opportunity where otherwise they wouldn't like it get it for some. Lot of poor folks in Mississippi. Gives activities for people to do as well that keeps some of these guys out of trouble. Some not all.
I would like to add that 50 years ago (when college football was still mostly for student athletes) it was obvious that the need for discipline and allocating time for study that athletes (particularly football players) learned while in school many many times translated into them having the tools they needed to go on and attain professional degrees and become very successful in their fields. I know this is now extinct as the dinosaurs but I know that being a true college "student athlete" gave many a young man an otherwise unattainable pathway to success.
 

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I would like to add that 50 years ago (when college football was still mostly for student athletes) it was obvious that the need for discipline and allocating time for study that athletes (particularly football players) learned while in school many many times translated into them having the tools they needed to go on and attain professional degrees and become very successful in their fields. I know this is now extinct as the dinosaurs but I know that being a true college "student athlete" gave many a young man an otherwise unattainable pathway to success.
Well, if true, it didn't take long for it to start rolling downhill from there. Eric Dickerson signed in 1979 and the Southwest conference was already well into the wild wild west era at that point.

Remember, that conference didn't break up because of paying players like many would have you believe. It broke up for the same reason they are breaking up today.......TV money.
 

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Just wait Until the IRS starts collecting taxes from these Athletes that think they are getting FREE money!
Do you think they have not been paying taxes? NIL been around for a few years now. I’m sure there are some who will get in trouble over taxes but that happens with non athletes all the time. I’m sure most have and will continue to make tax payments,
 

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The key sentence in the article

"Blumenthal said lawmakers are discussing a compromise measure to carve out a special status for college athletes to bargain collectively without having to become employees.

"That might be an option," Blumenthal said. "Enabling collective bargaining without employment status certainly has to be taken seriously. We're talking about a variety of different possibilities."

How does Walker Jones get into every article?

Can't wait to hear their explanation as to how in the world these kids are not employees
 

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More than likely that kid probably wouldn't go to Colin otherwise. It may not help every kid, but i would say it's an investment into getting at least some of these guys a college education even if it's from Colin. They can learn a trade or at least get something past Magee high school which I would think benefits the state if they get a better job and put back into state tax revenue. Although that's not always the case would be good study for the state to do to see how many college athletes at junior colleges in state to see what they are doing now and see if return on investment is good for getting them in school as opposed to others. In my opinion it gives opportunity where otherwise they wouldn't like it get it for some. Lot of poor folks in Mississippi. Gives activities for people to do as well that keeps some of these guys out of trouble. Some not all.
If he wouldn’t go to Co-Lin otherwise, I doubt he’s really putting in the effort to get an education
Do you think they have not been paying taxes? NIL been around for a few years now. I’m sure there are some who will get in trouble over taxes but that happens with non athletes all the time. I’m sure most have and will continue to make tax payments,
Of course they’re paying their taxes. At least the large majority of them. It’s being reported on 1099s & the players are being provided CPA advice.
 
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It is interesting that when the article gets to how the ncaa curtails pay for play nil deals, Jones and the grove collective make an appearance.

Obviously he makes his stance well, he wants to find creative ways to pay their athletes more than anyone outside the framework.

This is why this system will never work. Unless congress gives the ncaa their power back to hammer those rogue collectives that make deals of pay for play.
There's an obvious loophole: athletes on l y have to report deals worth at least $600. If you want to pay a guy $1MM under the table, just sign him to 2,000 deals worth $500.**
 
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I'm very leary of Congressional involvement. The schools with all the money will get things set up the way they want. And, anytime Congress doesn't like what the NCAA is doing they will just threaten to remove whatever exemptions the NCAA has.

Usually in cases like this Congress just threatens to hold hearings, and then the parties involved work out their own solutions. It's kind of like Congress yelling from upstairs, "Kids! Don't make us come down there!!"
 

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There's an obvious loophole: athletes on l y have to report deals worth at least $600. If you want to pay a guy $1MM under the table, just sign him to 2,000 deals worth $500.**
Yeah and that’s illegal as hell. Let the IRS get a hold of that one.

But of course, Republicans don’t want to pay any taxes, and also want zero rules, and want to abolish all government services.
 

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32 team Super League where each NFL team uses a college program as a minor league academy. ATL & UGA, JAX & FSU, NO & LSU, DAL & UT, HOU & A&M, TB & UF, MIA & The U, etc. All the rest get sent down to lower, amateur division. Sounds crazy but what we have now sounded crazy 10 years ago.
That actually sounds pretty cool and would generate loyalty to both local programs. Win, win
 

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I've always thought they've tried to regulate the athletes, when they should be regulating the schools.

They're making this way more complicated than it needs to be. It's not rocket science.
 

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Does it still sound cool if you know for certain that we would not be included in the super league?
It actually sounds better that way. I’m tired of getting our brains beat in in football. We’d be competitive in a 2nd tier league if there’s a breakaway.