Convince me that Mullen is the right guy for the job. Tell me why he is a good head coach
and MSU should be lucky to have him.
and MSU should be lucky to have him.
Convince me that Mullen is the right guy for the job. Tell me why he is a good head coach
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Convince me that Mullen is the right guy for the job. Tell me why he is a good head coach
and MSU should be lucky to have him.
and MSU should be lucky to have him.
Convince me that Mullen is the right guy for the job. Tell me why he is a good head coach
and MSU should be lucky to have him.
and MSU should be lucky to have him.
Convince me that Mullen is the right guy for the job. Tell me why he is a good head coach
and MSU should be lucky to have him.
and MSU should be lucky to have him.
Convince me that Mullen is the right guy for the job. Tell me why he is a good head coach
and MSU should be lucky to have him.
and MSU should be lucky to have him.
Convince me that Mullen is the right guy for the job. Tell me why he is a good head coach
and MSU should be lucky to have him.
and MSU should be lucky to have him.
Convince me that Mullen is the right guy for the job. Tell me why he is a good head coach
what makes you so special that everyone has to change (or improve) your perception of Mullen? If you've been a MSU fan for even as little as 4 years, it shouldn't be too hard to see the good he's been able to do for this program.
what makes you so special that everyone has to change (or improve) your perception of Mullen? If you've been a MSU fan for even as little as 4 years, it shouldn't be too hard to see the good he's been able to do for this program.
Convince me that Mullen is the right guy for the job. Tell me why he is a good head coach
Just want a civil thread here on why Mullen is so revered. Because I just don't see it. Please convince me why I am wrong. I want to think State has the right man for the job, but I am having a difficult time believing that.
Just want a civil thread here on why Mullen is so revered. Because I just don't see it. Please convince me why I am wrong. I want to think State has the right man for the job, but I am having a difficult time believing that.
Convince me that Mullen is the right guy for the job. Tell me why he is a good head coach
and we suck slightly less now, therefore Mullen must be a damn good coach. Is that the gist of it?
and we suck slightly less now, therefore Mullen must be a damn good coach. Is that the gist of it?
Convince me that Mullen is the right guy for the job. Tell me why he is a good head coach
there's quite a few other threads going on right now that's questioning/defending Mullen, so making one more thread about it isn't really doing anything different. I'm just not big on changing someone's perception if they've already formed their own conclusion. I've heard people before the UAB game saying that Tyler Russell sucks and doesn't deserve a chance to start and still stick by their guns even after yesterday. I just don't see the point in it.<div>
</div><div>I really wanna know how long you've been a MSU fan. That's not to belittle your opinion as I can only say I've been a fan since 07 when I first started going to school here, but I followed their sports for a few years prior so know a little bit about the suckage of the Croom years and have come to know the demeanor of a lot of long term State fans and have been able to understand the great change in mentality that the average fan has undergone. I'm only asking because if you've been a fan for quite some time, I don't think anyone could honestly say anything to change your opinion.</div>
there's quite a few other threads going on right now that's questioning/defending Mullen, so making one more thread about it isn't really doing anything different. I'm just not big on changing someone's perception if they've already formed their own conclusion. I've heard people before the UAB game saying that Tyler Russell sucks and doesn't deserve a chance to start and still stick by their guns even after yesterday. I just don't see the point in it.<div>
</div><div>I really wanna know how long you've been a MSU fan. That's not to belittle your opinion as I can only say I've been a fan since 07 when I first started going to school here, but I followed their sports for a few years prior so know a little bit about the suckage of the Croom years and have come to know the demeanor of a lot of long term State fans and have been able to understand the great change in mentality that the average fan has undergone. I'm only asking because if you've been a fan for quite some time, I don't think anyone could honestly say anything to change your opinion.</div>
Convince me that Mullen is the right guy for the job. Tell me why he is a good head coach
simply explaining we Mullen is a good HC.
I've followed MSU football for 30 years. 2 cousins played for State. 1 uncle played for State. Dad attended State.
What if I told you !*# attempted to get out of Starkvilke last year? Would that change your opinion of him in any way?
simply explaining we Mullen is a good HC.
I've followed MSU football for 30 years. 2 cousins played for State. 1 uncle played for State. Dad attended State.
What if I told you !*# attempted to get out of Starkvilke last year? Would that change your opinion of him in any way?
Convince me that Mullen is the right guy for the job. Tell me why he is a good head coach
<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); "><div style="min-width: 0px; max-width: 99%; ">then you look even deeper. You look at the shape the program was in when the coach was hired. You also have to look at the competition.<div style="min-width: 0px; max-width: 99%; "><br style="min-width: 0px; "></div><div style="min-width: 0px; max-width: 99%; ">MSU is a perennially losing program. Croom left us in below average condition.<br style="min-width: 0px; "><div style="min-width: 0px; max-width: 99%; "><br style="min-width: 0px; "></div><div style="min-width: 0px; max-width: 99%; ">In the end, Mullen is 17-15 so far in his first three years. Jackie Sherrill, the best coach in MSU history, was 16-14 at this point in October 1993 in his third year. He inherited a pretty good situation with two back to back 5-6 teams with alot of talent that Rockey had recruited. Mullen used Croom's so-so recruits and have them playing at a higher level than anyone ever dreamed. Mullen's also doing a few things better than Jackie did. QB is one of them. Team chemistry is another. Jackie broke out in 1994 with an 8-3 regular season. I expect the same from Mullen. And Mullen actually won a bowl game, which Jackie had trouble with. We had the hardest schedule in the country in 2009.</div></div><div style="min-width: 0px; max-width: 99%; "><br style="min-width: 0px; "></div><div style="min-width: 0px; max-width: 99%; ">And look, even comparing Mullen to Jackie is a big compliment in itself. And Mullen is doing this in the hardest SEC and SEC West in history. Every year he's been coach an SEC West has won a National Championship and will probably again this year. Last year two SEC West teams played in BCS bowl games. In 2009 Florida did the same. </div><div style="min-width: 0px; max-width: 99%; "><br style="min-width: 0px; "></div><div style="min-width: 0px; max-width: 99%; ">He was OC for a National Championship Florida team.</div><div style="min-width: 0px; max-width: 99%; "><br style="min-width: 0px; "></div><div style="min-width: 0px; max-width: 99%; ">He's a good evaluator of under the radar talent.</div><div style="min-width: 0px; max-width: 99%; "><br style="min-width: 0px; "></div><div style="min-width: 0px; max-width: 99%; ">He's consistent. Like I've said 10 times already, he beats the teams he's supposed to beat and doesn't drop games to Louisiana Tech.</div><div style="min-width: 0px; max-width: 99%; "><br style="min-width: 0px; "></div><div style="min-width: 0px; max-width: 99%; ">I'm looking forward to your slant on these facts. Since they are facts that back up Mullen being a good coach, it's really hard to argue with them.</div><div style="min-width: 0px; max-width: 99%; "><br style="min-width: 0px; "></div><div style="min-width: 0px; max-width: 99%; ">Now for my personal opinion. I see these 2* guys that nobody recruited actually turning into good football players. We look like a football team and look well coached. I look at most of the playcalling and decisions as pretty solid. Most of them are good while some are bad. I'll take that. I think Mullen is a FANTASTIC football coach. Make of it what you will.</div><div style="min-width: 0px; max-width: 99%; ">
</div><div style="min-width: 0px; max-width: 99%; ">Not to mention that he's mentioned with every job opening that comes up. He's in high demand.</div><div>
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); "><div style="min-width: 0px; max-width: 99%; ">then you look even deeper. You look at the shape the program was in when the coach was hired. You also have to look at the competition.<div style="min-width: 0px; max-width: 99%; "><br style="min-width: 0px; "></div><div style="min-width: 0px; max-width: 99%; ">MSU is a perennially losing program. Croom left us in below average condition.<br style="min-width: 0px; "><div style="min-width: 0px; max-width: 99%; "><br style="min-width: 0px; "></div><div style="min-width: 0px; max-width: 99%; ">In the end, Mullen is 17-15 so far in his first three years. Jackie Sherrill, the best coach in MSU history, was 16-14 at this point in October 1993 in his third year. He inherited a pretty good situation with two back to back 5-6 teams with alot of talent that Rockey had recruited. Mullen used Croom's so-so recruits and have them playing at a higher level than anyone ever dreamed. Mullen's also doing a few things better than Jackie did. QB is one of them. Team chemistry is another. Jackie broke out in 1994 with an 8-3 regular season. I expect the same from Mullen. And Mullen actually won a bowl game, which Jackie had trouble with. We had the hardest schedule in the country in 2009.</div></div><div style="min-width: 0px; max-width: 99%; "><br style="min-width: 0px; "></div><div style="min-width: 0px; max-width: 99%; ">And look, even comparing Mullen to Jackie is a big compliment in itself. And Mullen is doing this in the hardest SEC and SEC West in history. Every year he's been coach an SEC West has won a National Championship and will probably again this year. Last year two SEC West teams played in BCS bowl games. In 2009 Florida did the same. </div><div style="min-width: 0px; max-width: 99%; "><br style="min-width: 0px; "></div><div style="min-width: 0px; max-width: 99%; ">He was OC for a National Championship Florida team.</div><div style="min-width: 0px; max-width: 99%; "><br style="min-width: 0px; "></div><div style="min-width: 0px; max-width: 99%; ">He's a good evaluator of under the radar talent.</div><div style="min-width: 0px; max-width: 99%; "><br style="min-width: 0px; "></div><div style="min-width: 0px; max-width: 99%; ">He's consistent. Like I've said 10 times already, he beats the teams he's supposed to beat and doesn't drop games to Louisiana Tech.</div><div style="min-width: 0px; max-width: 99%; "><br style="min-width: 0px; "></div><div style="min-width: 0px; max-width: 99%; ">I'm looking forward to your slant on these facts. Since they are facts that back up Mullen being a good coach, it's really hard to argue with them.</div><div style="min-width: 0px; max-width: 99%; "><br style="min-width: 0px; "></div><div style="min-width: 0px; max-width: 99%; ">Now for my personal opinion. I see these 2* guys that nobody recruited actually turning into good football players. We look like a football team and look well coached. I look at most of the playcalling and decisions as pretty solid. Most of them are good while some are bad. I'll take that. I think Mullen is a FANTASTIC football coach. Make of it what you will.</div><div style="min-width: 0px; max-width: 99%; ">
</div><div style="min-width: 0px; max-width: 99%; ">Not to mention that he's mentioned with every job opening that comes up. He's in high demand.</div><div>
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Convince me that Mullen is the right guy for the job. Tell me why he is a good head coach
!*#. Are you referring to Mullen? If so, say so. You are demanding to have Mullen's justification as a head coach explained to you and Goat XV gave a decent response.
Mine is Mullen: (1) Ain't lazy and is involved in actual coaching and practice. (2) He man's up and takes responsibility and expects those around him to do the same, coaches and players. (3) He has made some good calls and some bad. No coach (or critic) makes every decision right every time. I might make a different call based on what I see at times, but then I ain't at practice with the players every week and don't see what they do and don't do well in practice. If they cannot do something in practice it's a safe bet they cannot do it in the game. (4) He sells the program to the fans. You may consider it snake oil selling but damn few coaches get that part of their job.
There's more but I've already spent enough time replying to another 17er with an attitude.........
!*#. Are you referring to Mullen? If so, say so. You are demanding to have Mullen's justification as a head coach explained to you and Goat XV gave a decent response.
Mine is Mullen: (1) Ain't lazy and is involved in actual coaching and practice. (2) He man's up and takes responsibility and expects those around him to do the same, coaches and players. (3) He has made some good calls and some bad. No coach (or critic) makes every decision right every time. I might make a different call based on what I see at times, but then I ain't at practice with the players every week and don't see what they do and don't do well in practice. If they cannot do something in practice it's a safe bet they cannot do it in the game. (4) He sells the program to the fans. You may consider it snake oil selling but damn few coaches get that part of their job.
There's more but I've already spent enough time replying to another 17er with an attitude.........
Convince me that Mullen is the right guy for the job. Tell me why he is a good head coach
..Mullen is being paid too much money.
Mullen is a good coach. But he's not a $2.5 million coach.
Paying SEC coaches is like playing the futures market: You pay the coach what you think he is going to be worth to your program in the future; not what he is worth to the program now.
At the end of the 2010 season, it appeared Mullen was going to be a wise $2.5 million investment in MSU. Now that looks like a misfire investment.
But I will say this: If Mullen can beat Alabama or Arkansas, he will suddenly again appear a wise $2.5 million investment.
..Mullen is being paid too much money.
Mullen is a good coach. But he's not a $2.5 million coach.
Paying SEC coaches is like playing the futures market: You pay the coach what you think he is going to be worth to your program in the future; not what he is worth to the program now.
At the end of the 2010 season, it appeared Mullen was going to be a wise $2.5 million investment in MSU. Now that looks like a misfire investment.
But I will say this: If Mullen can beat Alabama or Arkansas, he will suddenly again appear a wise $2.5 million investment.
Convince me that Mullen is the right guy for the job. Tell me why he is a good head coach
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Convince me that Mullen is the right guy for the job. Tell me why he is a good head coach
why do people ask the same questions in the same day?
why do people ask the same questions in the same day?
Convince me that Mullen is the right guy for the job. Tell me why he is a good head coach
State is a "<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">perennially losing program</span>", so comparing him to a past coach of a perennially losing program might not be the best idea. Let's stop with the loser mentality and just look at the facts.
Mullen's first year he won 5 games. The highlight would be the Egg Bowl where we thrashed Ole Miss at home.
Mullen's 2nd year. Let's take it game by game.
Memphis - Killed them. They are the worst team in the country.
Auburn - AU went on to win the national championship. But the team that played in Starkville that night was not National Championship caliber. AU didn't realize what they had in Cam at this point on the season or if they did, the coaches hadn't figured out how to effectively use him to maximize his skills. My biggest beef with this game is when we had just run all over AU for a scoring drive, we had all the momentum, then we come out and throw 3 times. Giving the ball right back to AU. In addition, Mullen puts freshman Russell in backed up deep in our own territory. That was so stupid. This is where I started to question the in game coaching decisions of our 2nd year coach.
@LSU- Killed
UGA - Great win. CLOSER LOOK -But lets not get carried away here. We beat a team that won 6 games and got beat by UCF in a bowl. Not exactly the marque win we thought it was.
Alcorn State - Win
@Houston - Win. No Keenum, but nice win nonetheless
@Florida - Huge win in the swamp. Mississippi State is not supposed to win in the swamp. - CLOSER LOOK -We beat a reeling Florida team that was imploding from the inside out. A team led by a coach that was going through some kind of mid life crisis. It also took a miracle missed fg to win. Bottom line - This was not a huge win over a good ball club. It was a good road win over a struggling and poorly coached football team.
** stop right here.. A Mullen led State team has beaten the Georgia Bulldogs and now the Florida Gators on their own turf. On the surface it looks like Mullen must be the best coach in the country. Unbelievable **
UAB - Win. They suck
UK - Nice win here over a pretty salty UK team
Bama - Throttled
Arkansas - Double overtime loss. We had this one. One of our best games all year win or lose.
Ole Miss - Another win. Ole miss sucks. The wheels have come off in Oxford.
Michigan - Beat Michigan. Michigan. They are one of the best teams in the country year in and year out. CLOSER LOOK -Not so fast. This aint your daddy's Michigan. This team knows their coach is on the way out. The Michigan players and coaches do not care and it shows.
**Thoughts after 2010 season heading into 2011**
------2010 was a great year for State. We beat UGA, won at UF, beat Ole Miss again, and won the Gator Bowl. However, if you take off the maroon and white glasses you will see that maybe some of these wins weren't as great as we thought they were. That really doesn't matter though because it's only year 2 for Mullen and we are just going to get better. Who cares if some of these teams were down, next year we will be better and we will build on this. Let's just hope we can keep Mullen around because clearly he is a GREAT coach and a hot commodity.
**Now we get to this year**
Memphis - We crush them. Again worst team in the country.
@AU - AU is terrible at this point. We are heavy favorites. No way we should lose even in Jordan hare. Whoops. Horrible time management from Mullen. Terrible call not to challenge a critical 4th down spot. Inexcusable call to run the ball with no timeouts. All equals a fat L in Jordan Hare. This was the biggest game in Mullen's career at State. If you don't win this, you can forget the West. We should have been preparing for AU since February. Do you think we could contain AU's **** offense? Hell no. Unbelievably disappointing game here. We got outplayed and out coached by a team that needed a miracle to beat Utah State.
LSU - Thursday night home opener. Atmosphere is electric. We are hanging around. LSU is putting a serious pounding on us but we are still in this thing. What is happening? Is Relf coming out and Russell coming in? Does Mullen actually think that Russell can come in cold off the bench and led us to a victory over LSU? Wrong. He gets killed. Mullen quit on us that night. He gave up. Again, another horrible in game decision.
La Tech - Win. Barely.
@UGA - Loss on the road to an avg. UGA team
UAB - Struggled to a win. UAB is terrible
USCe - Loss to USCe team that is a shell of the team that won the east last year.
It's year 3. Year 3 is when you start seeing what a coach is worth. In year 3 the team consist mostly of Mullen's players. His system is firmly in place. This is what is so damn disappointing.
You say Mullen is a good under the radar talent evaluator. I would argue that Croom was better then Mullen in that respect. I think his recruiting stinks. We had our best year in years last year and that should have been reflected in recruiting (not to mention Ole Miss sucked), yet Ole Miss kicked our *** on the recruiting trail. Did they cheat? Probably. If that is the case, we need to turn their *** in or get to cheating. In addition, Mullen's poor in game coaching decisions are still very much present.
Mullen is fantastic at propaganda. Getting the fanbase hyped up. He does a tremendous job in that respect. But his coaching weaknesses our obvious. I'd feel better if he recruited better and we had some talent waiting in the wings. Russell is not the answer. He is not anywhere close to the qb Mullen needs to run his offense. Farve is not an SEC player.
Rebuttal to some of your points:
Being the OC for National Champ Florida does not mean you will be a good head coach.Obviously.
He is not a good evaluator of under the radar talent. Who is an under the radar player that Mullen has recruited that you consider an upper echelon SEC player?
He is consistent. He loses to good teams and beats bad teams. Although, the beating of the bad teams is getting closer and closer to not happening.
I can't possibly see how you think these 2* kids are turning into good football players. I can't see how you think a team with a winless SEC record is well coached. A well coached team doesn't make stupid and costly penalties.
I guess it boils down to perception. If you are of the mind-set that we are MSU and we are a loser program, then I guess I can see how you think Mullen is a good head coach. If you come with a mind set that Mississippi State and State fans are ready and deserve and will support a year in year out winning football program then you probably aren't satisfied with Mullen. I think we can do better. I'm done with the "we are not as bad as we used to be" talk. Or the "same old State" talk.
In the end, we will see who is correct. I just hope the administration is not blinded by the Mullen hype machine. If they are, it's going to be a very mediocre next 2-3 years. By that point, I am sure Ole Miss would have righted the ship and gotten back to decent football.
Btw, ##@ = Coach Dan Mullen. I didn't know it would show up like that. And, yes, he very much tried to get out of Starkville, despite what he has said publicly.
And you are wrong about one other thing, Coach Mullen was a hot commodity. "Was", as in past tense, as in not anymore.
Goat Grindin said:
State is a "<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">perennially losing program</span>", so comparing him to a past coach of a perennially losing program might not be the best idea. Let's stop with the loser mentality and just look at the facts.
Mullen's first year he won 5 games. The highlight would be the Egg Bowl where we thrashed Ole Miss at home.
Mullen's 2nd year. Let's take it game by game.
Memphis - Killed them. They are the worst team in the country.
Auburn - AU went on to win the national championship. But the team that played in Starkville that night was not National Championship caliber. AU didn't realize what they had in Cam at this point on the season or if they did, the coaches hadn't figured out how to effectively use him to maximize his skills. My biggest beef with this game is when we had just run all over AU for a scoring drive, we had all the momentum, then we come out and throw 3 times. Giving the ball right back to AU. In addition, Mullen puts freshman Russell in backed up deep in our own territory. That was so stupid. This is where I started to question the in game coaching decisions of our 2nd year coach.
@LSU- Killed
UGA - Great win. CLOSER LOOK -But lets not get carried away here. We beat a team that won 6 games and got beat by UCF in a bowl. Not exactly the marque win we thought it was.
Alcorn State - Win
@Houston - Win. No Keenum, but nice win nonetheless
@Florida - Huge win in the swamp. Mississippi State is not supposed to win in the swamp. - CLOSER LOOK -We beat a reeling Florida team that was imploding from the inside out. A team led by a coach that was going through some kind of mid life crisis. It also took a miracle missed fg to win. Bottom line - This was not a huge win over a good ball club. It was a good road win over a struggling and poorly coached football team.
** stop right here.. A Mullen led State team has beaten the Georgia Bulldogs and now the Florida Gators on their own turf. On the surface it looks like Mullen must be the best coach in the country. Unbelievable **
UAB - Win. They suck
UK - Nice win here over a pretty salty UK team
Bama - Throttled
Arkansas - Double overtime loss. We had this one. One of our best games all year win or lose.
Ole Miss - Another win. Ole miss sucks. The wheels have come off in Oxford.
Michigan - Beat Michigan. Michigan. They are one of the best teams in the country year in and year out. CLOSER LOOK -Not so fast. This aint your daddy's Michigan. This team knows their coach is on the way out. The Michigan players and coaches do not care and it shows.
**Thoughts after 2010 season heading into 2011**
------2010 was a great year for State. We beat UGA, won at UF, beat Ole Miss again, and won the Gator Bowl. However, if you take off the maroon and white glasses you will see that maybe some of these wins weren't as great as we thought they were. That really doesn't matter though because it's only year 2 for Mullen and we are just going to get better. Who cares if some of these teams were down, next year we will be better and we will build on this. Let's just hope we can keep Mullen around because clearly he is a GREAT coach and a hot commodity.
**Now we get to this year**
Memphis - We crush them. Again worst team in the country.
@AU - AU is terrible at this point. We are heavy favorites. No way we should lose even in Jordan hare. Whoops. Horrible time management from Mullen. Terrible call not to challenge a critical 4th down spot. Inexcusable call to run the ball with no timeouts. All equals a fat L in Jordan Hare. This was the biggest game in Mullen's career at State. If you don't win this, you can forget the West. We should have been preparing for AU since February. Do you think we could contain AU's **** offense? Hell no. Unbelievably disappointing game here. We got outplayed and out coached by a team that needed a miracle to beat Utah State.
LSU - Thursday night home opener. Atmosphere is electric. We are hanging around. LSU is putting a serious pounding on us but we are still in this thing. What is happening? Is Relf coming out and Russell coming in? Does Mullen actually think that Russell can come in cold off the bench and led us to a victory over LSU? Wrong. He gets killed. Mullen quit on us that night. He gave up. Again, another horrible in game decision.
La Tech - Win. Barely.
@UGA - Loss on the road to an avg. UGA team
UAB - Struggled to a win. UAB is terrible
USCe - Loss to USCe team that is a shell of the team that won the east last year.
It's year 3. Year 3 is when you start seeing what a coach is worth. In year 3 the team consist mostly of Mullen's players. His system is firmly in place. This is what is so damn disappointing.
You say Mullen is a good under the radar talent evaluator. I would argue that Croom was better then Mullen in that respect. I think his recruiting stinks. We had our best year in years last year and that should have been reflected in recruiting (not to mention Ole Miss sucked), yet Ole Miss kicked our *** on the recruiting trail. Did they cheat? Probably. If that is the case, we need to turn their *** in or get to cheating. In addition, Mullen's poor in game coaching decisions are still very much present.
Mullen is fantastic at propaganda. Getting the fanbase hyped up. He does a tremendous job in that respect. But his coaching weaknesses our obvious. I'd feel better if he recruited better and we had some talent waiting in the wings. Russell is not the answer. He is not anywhere close to the qb Mullen needs to run his offense. Farve is not an SEC player.
Rebuttal to some of your points:
Being the OC for National Champ Florida does not mean you will be a good head coach.Obviously.
He is not a good evaluator of under the radar talent. Who is an under the radar player that Mullen has recruited that you consider an upper echelon SEC player?
He is consistent. He loses to good teams and beats bad teams. Although, the beating of the bad teams is getting closer and closer to not happening.
I can't possibly see how you think these 2* kids are turning into good football players. I can't see how you think a team with a winless SEC record is well coached. A well coached team doesn't make stupid and costly penalties.
I guess it boils down to perception. If you are of the mind-set that we are MSU and we are a loser program, then I guess I can see how you think Mullen is a good head coach. If you come with a mind set that Mississippi State and State fans are ready and deserve and will support a year in year out winning football program then you probably aren't satisfied with Mullen. I think we can do better. I'm done with the "we are not as bad as we used to be" talk. Or the "same old State" talk.
In the end, we will see who is correct. I just hope the administration is not blinded by the Mullen hype machine. If they are, it's going to be a very mediocre next 2-3 years. By that point, I am sure Ole Miss would have righted the ship and gotten back to decent football.
Btw, ##@ = Coach Dan Mullen. I didn't know it would show up like that. And, yes, he very much tried to get out of Starkville, despite what he has said publicly.
And you are wrong about one other thing, Coach Mullen was a hot commodity. "Was", as in past tense, as in not anymore.
Convince me that Mullen is the right guy for the job. Tell me why he is a good head coach
You got a relatively decent explanation which is what you asked for and now here you come with a book telling him why he is wrong and go even further calling that a loser's mentality. You developed your own opinion and sticking with it, which is fine because you have that right, but Christ dude.. Get over yourself.
You got a relatively decent explanation which is what you asked for and now here you come with a book telling him why he is wrong and go even further calling that a loser's mentality. You developed your own opinion and sticking with it, which is fine because you have that right, but Christ dude.. Get over yourself.
Convince me that Mullen is the right guy for the job. Tell me why he is a good head coach
Sorry my response was long, but I wanted to look at it game by game. I don't think the subject can be addressed in one word or sentence. And I am pretty sure Goat was waiting on my rebuttal.
It is a loser mentality. We are losing and have been losing. And our fans accept it.
Thanks for your contribution by the way.
Sorry my response was long, but I wanted to look at it game by game. I don't think the subject can be addressed in one word or sentence. And I am pretty sure Goat was waiting on my rebuttal.
It is a loser mentality. We are losing and have been losing. And our fans accept it.
Thanks for your contribution by the way.
Convince me that Mullen is the right guy for the job. Tell me why he is a good head coach
I always do that crap. Tyler Russell.Bobby Ricigliano said:
Convince me that Mullen is the right guy for the job. Tell me why he is a good head coach
you want my contribution, here you go...<div>
</div><div>What I've been able to notice on this board is that the fanbase is splitting into 3 different factions. Those that strive for mediocrity, those that expect to win now, and those that have a realistic approach. As far as Goat is concerned, I can't give a whole hearted opinion as to which group he falls under, but his post was far from a loser mentality as it was looking at Mullen's circumstances from a realistic approach.</div><div>
</div><div>You cannot overstate just how bad of shape this program was after Croom left and has been for many years past. I don't care if we had Saban here, I don't see the results being any different than what they were. 2009 was Mullen's first year and we barely was under .500 with the hardest schedule in the country and then takes us to the Gator bowl with an 8-4 record in the hardest division in all of college football. We have a bigger drop off in our starting line up when we lose 2 players off of our o line and 6 total players on our defense and 3 of those players went to the draft. Not only that, but we loser our defensive coordinator and wide receivers coach as well.</div><div>
</div><div>It's not a loser's mentality to understand that with how we're playing given the circumstances is better than what we would be doing currently had we gotten another coach other than Mullen. What I consider a losers mentality is people saying that as fans we should be ecstatic with continued 6-6 and 7-5 records with theoccasional8 or 9 win seasons and never expect us to make it to the BCS. What Goat said was nothing of that sort.</div><div>
</div><div>I don't care if you agree with me or not, but asking people to change your perception is fruitless when you know good and well no one can say anything to change your mind.</div><div>
</div><div>Those are my thoughts... you're welcome...</div>
you want my contribution, here you go...<div>
</div><div>What I've been able to notice on this board is that the fanbase is splitting into 3 different factions. Those that strive for mediocrity, those that expect to win now, and those that have a realistic approach. As far as Goat is concerned, I can't give a whole hearted opinion as to which group he falls under, but his post was far from a loser mentality as it was looking at Mullen's circumstances from a realistic approach.</div><div>
</div><div>You cannot overstate just how bad of shape this program was after Croom left and has been for many years past. I don't care if we had Saban here, I don't see the results being any different than what they were. 2009 was Mullen's first year and we barely was under .500 with the hardest schedule in the country and then takes us to the Gator bowl with an 8-4 record in the hardest division in all of college football. We have a bigger drop off in our starting line up when we lose 2 players off of our o line and 6 total players on our defense and 3 of those players went to the draft. Not only that, but we loser our defensive coordinator and wide receivers coach as well.</div><div>
</div><div>It's not a loser's mentality to understand that with how we're playing given the circumstances is better than what we would be doing currently had we gotten another coach other than Mullen. What I consider a losers mentality is people saying that as fans we should be ecstatic with continued 6-6 and 7-5 records with theoccasional8 or 9 win seasons and never expect us to make it to the BCS. What Goat said was nothing of that sort.</div><div>
</div><div>I don't care if you agree with me or not, but asking people to change your perception is fruitless when you know good and well no one can say anything to change your mind.</div><div>
</div><div>Those are my thoughts... you're welcome...</div>
Convince me that Mullen is the right guy for the job. Tell me why he is a good head coach
GTFO. YOU are the loser, the perennial loser. I think you would fit in better on the Bear board because they are filled with people of your mindset.
Most MSU fans are happy in the direction of the program. I feel that we WILL win chamionships here, that we will get better in recruiting and that we are on the verge of something good.
YOU are the one whose pathetic self worth is based upon the wins and losses of the football program that you support.
I know that misery loves company, but you are trying to hard to find friends over here. I would suggest in all honesty signing up over at The Spirit board. MSU fan or not, you would fit in VERY well over there. Lots of misery over there with no light on the horizon. Fans whose whole self worth and confidence starts with the football team.
Sorry you're mad bro, but you are simply not going to find solice on an MSU messageboard right now.
GTFO. YOU are the loser, the perennial loser. I think you would fit in better on the Bear board because they are filled with people of your mindset.
Most MSU fans are happy in the direction of the program. I feel that we WILL win chamionships here, that we will get better in recruiting and that we are on the verge of something good.
YOU are the one whose pathetic self worth is based upon the wins and losses of the football program that you support.
I know that misery loves company, but you are trying to hard to find friends over here. I would suggest in all honesty signing up over at The Spirit board. MSU fan or not, you would fit in VERY well over there. Lots of misery over there with no light on the horizon. Fans whose whole self worth and confidence starts with the football team.
Sorry you're mad bro, but you are simply not going to find solice on an MSU messageboard right now.
Convince me that Mullen is the right guy for the job. Tell me why he is a good head coach
...under the last years of Sherrill and all through the Croom years, we were happy when the players even tried hard. Now we're royally pissed we can't beat teams that have been or will be in the Top 10 before the end of the season. <div>
</div><div>We caught lightning in a bottle last year with the 9 wins. If we can pick up a strong left tackle and a 6' 5" playmaker WR by next year, we're back to winning 9-11 games.</div>
...under the last years of Sherrill and all through the Croom years, we were happy when the players even tried hard. Now we're royally pissed we can't beat teams that have been or will be in the Top 10 before the end of the season. <div>
</div><div>We caught lightning in a bottle last year with the 9 wins. If we can pick up a strong left tackle and a 6' 5" playmaker WR by next year, we're back to winning 9-11 games.</div>
Convince me that Mullen is the right guy for the job. Tell me why he is a good head coach
First of all, Saban would be doing better. Period, end of story. For starters, he would recruit better. We would have better talent to work with. Croom was terrible, I will give you that. But he didn't leave the cupboard completely bare. We had some pretty decent players on last year's team that Croom recruited.
I want to point out the fact that I think its short sighted to say 2010 we won 9 and won the Gator Bowl to make the point that Mullen is the right man for the job. While it is a fact, the 2010 season deserves a more in depth, closer look. I think 2010 was the exception, not the rule with Mullen. I base this on the opponents we have beaten to date, players we recruit, and Mullen's poor coaching decisions.
And the reason I am bringing it up now, is because in the past we have let loser coaches hang around far too long. I don't want to have this same discussion in 2014 after several years of mediocrity. People need to open their eyes now and be aware of whats going on. Other programs demand excellance and we should too. Like I said, hopefully Mullen will prove me wrong...but I am not holding my breath.
Last thing, I want to see consistent improvement and an upgraded talent level in Starkville and I am just not seeing that. Many on here point to injuries. Well injuries didn't let a dump AU offense roll up 400 yards or whatever on our D. Injuries didn't call a run with no time left. Injuries didn't recruit players that should be in the Sun Belt.
I don't think these type of discussions are pointless when we keep it civil. You and Goat gave your opinion and while I might not totally agree, I respect that you did give an opinion. And I think you could change my perception, you didn't in this case, but you could.Incognegro said:
First of all, Saban would be doing better. Period, end of story. For starters, he would recruit better. We would have better talent to work with. Croom was terrible, I will give you that. But he didn't leave the cupboard completely bare. We had some pretty decent players on last year's team that Croom recruited.
I want to point out the fact that I think its short sighted to say 2010 we won 9 and won the Gator Bowl to make the point that Mullen is the right man for the job. While it is a fact, the 2010 season deserves a more in depth, closer look. I think 2010 was the exception, not the rule with Mullen. I base this on the opponents we have beaten to date, players we recruit, and Mullen's poor coaching decisions.
And the reason I am bringing it up now, is because in the past we have let loser coaches hang around far too long. I don't want to have this same discussion in 2014 after several years of mediocrity. People need to open their eyes now and be aware of whats going on. Other programs demand excellance and we should too. Like I said, hopefully Mullen will prove me wrong...but I am not holding my breath.
Last thing, I want to see consistent improvement and an upgraded talent level in Starkville and I am just not seeing that. Many on here point to injuries. Well injuries didn't let a dump AU offense roll up 400 yards or whatever on our D. Injuries didn't call a run with no time left. Injuries didn't recruit players that should be in the Sun Belt.
Convince me that Mullen is the right guy for the job. Tell me why he is a good head coach
That's Mullen's job to do that. Not mine or anyone else on this board. The state of our program is bigger than making sure that you and you alone is happy. The only point I was arguing was you calling what Goat said a losers mentality when it was the furthest thing from it.<div>
</div><div>You can call this an attempt at a civil discussion all you want, but you're only coming off as someone that likes to piss people off.</div>
That's Mullen's job to do that. Not mine or anyone else on this board. The state of our program is bigger than making sure that you and you alone is happy. The only point I was arguing was you calling what Goat said a losers mentality when it was the furthest thing from it.<div>
</div><div>You can call this an attempt at a civil discussion all you want, but you're only coming off as someone that likes to piss people off.</div>
Convince me that Mullen is the right guy for the job. Tell me why he is a good head coach
this is a Mississippi State athletic message board after all. I can't think of a better place to discuss the current state of our program and giving opinions whether popular or unpopular. If you don't want to convince me, then don't. Feel free not to post next time. If accepting mediocrity or not pissing people off was my main objective, then I would just sit on my hands and not say **** like the majority of the people on this board. I call it like I see it and I am not going to back away from that.
this is a Mississippi State athletic message board after all. I can't think of a better place to discuss the current state of our program and giving opinions whether popular or unpopular. If you don't want to convince me, then don't. Feel free not to post next time. If accepting mediocrity or not pissing people off was my main objective, then I would just sit on my hands and not say **** like the majority of the people on this board. I call it like I see it and I am not going to back away from that.
Convince me that Mullen is the right guy for the job. Tell me why he is a good head coach
go ahead and continue acting like your opinion is more important than everyone else you 17n bigot. let's see how many "discussions" you'll have.
go ahead and continue acting like your opinion is more important than everyone else you 17n bigot. let's see how many "discussions" you'll have.
Convince me that Mullen is the right guy for the job. Tell me why he is a good head coach
You always know when you get under someones skin when they resort to name calling. And you called me a "bigot", lmao.Incognegro said:
Convince me that Mullen is the right guy for the job. Tell me why he is a good head coach
Specifically Georgia, Florida and Michigan from last year.....all teams you say were reeling and imploding.<div>
</div><div>But I don't give a %#++ if they were reeling or not, we beat their ***, as we should because we were the better team. I could !@%+%@% care less the reason.</div><div>
</div><div>I don't see Auburn and South Carolina talk about MSU was "reeling". They call it a quality win.</div><div>
</div><div>If you ask me, you have more of the loser mentality than I do. If MSU wins, I guess there's always an excuse. If we lose, well that's the way things are supposed to be. %#++ that noise.</div>
Specifically Georgia, Florida and Michigan from last year.....all teams you say were reeling and imploding.<div>
</div><div>But I don't give a %#++ if they were reeling or not, we beat their ***, as we should because we were the better team. I could !@%+%@% care less the reason.</div><div>
</div><div>I don't see Auburn and South Carolina talk about MSU was "reeling". They call it a quality win.</div><div>
</div><div>If you ask me, you have more of the loser mentality than I do. If MSU wins, I guess there's always an excuse. If we lose, well that's the way things are supposed to be. %#++ that noise.</div>
Convince me that Mullen is the right guy for the job. Tell me why he is a good head coach
Our programs was below the shorter after Crooms we are in year 3 of a massive rebuild and you bastards think we should be going 8-4/ 9-3 every year? Why do I have to answer **** for dumbasses like you...You ever stop to think that we have had practically had different coordinators on both sides of the ball for each year of the Mullen era? They proved themselves and got offers, more power to them...But for the love of God, read more, post less! Once we get some continuity and a couple more years under our belt (this is his first HC job, there's gonna be bumps in the road) that's when I will start to judge him. But you 17ers are crazy!
Our programs was below the shorter after Crooms we are in year 3 of a massive rebuild and you bastards think we should be going 8-4/ 9-3 every year? Why do I have to answer **** for dumbasses like you...You ever stop to think that we have had practically had different coordinators on both sides of the ball for each year of the Mullen era? They proved themselves and got offers, more power to them...But for the love of God, read more, post less! Once we get some continuity and a couple more years under our belt (this is his first HC job, there's gonna be bumps in the road) that's when I will start to judge him. But you 17ers are crazy!
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