These may be good arguments if not gauged against probability of longterm side effects, death and ability to spread Covid, in which case, such comparison shows that vaccine is a safer alternative to the disease. But to be honest, I don’t care if you get it in same way I don’t care if you wear a seatbelt on the interstate. Is it dumb? Yea, kinda. But do you
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This is not true. They have been vetted. IT's been shown and discussed in the thread. The rare side effects from the shot also might happen with the virus. Except they're more likely with the virus than the shot. For Myocarditis it's estimated you're 6x more likely to get it from the virus than the shot. Similar data for GBS and blood clots.
Remember this time last year when all of the talk was about young people and myocarditis from Covid? blood clots and covid.
It's all about your immune response. These same issues happen with other viruses and vaccines. The common thread is that the potential reactions/side effects happen more often from the actual virus than the shot.
That's dependent on who you are. It depends on other variables.
Ah, I’m guessing you think if you’re not 80 or fat then there is no reason to do anything different
Haha, yes, again.
But again, I will not edify you. Try to figure it out for yourself.
Remove your biases and maybe your guessing would be more productive.
The immune response is what cause the inflammation in the heart. That is very well established.
Sure but they died doing what they loved to do. Making money from other morons.
It's not this kid's responsibility to get vaccinated
to protect this kid
to protect this kid
He was dead within 24 hours of entering the emergency room, that hospital didn't do the procedure needed to correct his issue. He had been airlifted to Houston but the DR stated they couldn't perform the surgery because it was too progressed.
It's a tragedy the man died, but the story is misleading.
This was ALWAYS the risk of covid. Hospitals get so overcrowded that we can't treat normal issues that become way worse.
That's not true. The hospital he was at did not have the capability to do the procedure. Thus the need to transfer him.
It's likely that if he had gotten there earlier he would have been able to get the routine procedure. It took 7 hours to get him out the door. It should have taken 30 minutes.
Thats what I stated, they didn't do the procedure he needed. The DR was quoted as saying they don't do the required procedure.
However, the patient was in a VA hospital that did do the procedure within at least 24 hours.
These Fauci lovers are knee deep in misleading stories
Again, what you aren’t comprehending is it is not a choice between covid side effect risks or shot side effect risks for a lot of people.
A lot of us essential people were out keeping the world moving through covid. We made it through healthy. Cowering in your basement and watching cnn may make it seem like you have a 100% chance of getting covid if you breath any air in the world, but that’s not true.
Theres no sense in taking on any risk of side effects from the covid shot if you haven’t been living in fear of covid.
What does fear of covid have to do with side effects? You can have attitude that you can beat illness but it doesn’t change the illness. I mean, I guess you could argue having a positive attitude helps, but that’s the extent. Whether or not you live in fear is besides the fact.
What did I get wrong? The man was in a hospital, in the ICU within at least 24 hours, as they had determined the disease was to far along to perform the surgery.
He didn't die because he didn't have access to an ICU.
The story is misleading, and being pushed because it's being presented as he died because covid patients prevented his access to an ICU.
That’s not what they said. If the first hospital had an ICU available he had a better chance at survival. And that’s the point.
As always, the point went way over your head.
People don’t have a 100% chance of getting covid. The closer you think your chance is to zero, the lower your tolerance for accepting any shot side effects. If you’re living in fear of covid every day, you will accept much higher risks from the shots.
People who’ve been living life for the past 18 months don’t need to accept the side effects of a covid shot just to get back to living. Those of you that were stuck in a basement are much more willing to accept the risks of a shot to ease your mind when you get back in the real world.
David Begnaud is a PO$
Speaking of, I knew when I clicked that idiot's blue checked twitter, I was going to get one of the three: an artist, a public personality, or a journalist.
Speaking of, I knew when I clicked that idiot's blue checked twitter, I was going to get one of the three: an artist, a public personality, or a journalist.
Remember Bill, "top scientists" are only credible if they believe in the death vax.
No, it said they couldn't perform the surgery, he died within 24 hours of walking into the emergency room. In that time he had been airlifted to a VA hospital that could perform the surgery, but it was to advanced.
The lack of space at the first hospital had nothing to do with his death.
Cute, but you're deflecting. The story states he died within 24 hours, the first hospital didn't perform the surgery he needed, he was airlifted sometime in that 24 hour period to a hospital that did perform the surgery, but the disease was to far advanced. All of that was in the story, yet the narrative being driven is that he died because of covid creating a lack of space, which isn't why he died.
It's cognitive dissonance alright, just not the way you think.
That's not true. The story clearly states he was conscious and he needed an procedure for a chance to survive something that is fairly routine. IT also clearly states that it should have taken 30 minutes to get him transferred. It took 7 hours. The MD (the expert) wouldn't be saying what he is saying if he didn't think he would have had a very good chance at survival if space was available.
Remarkable how people will ignore basic facts so the thing they don't want to be true can't be true...
To act as if this sort of thing isn't happening is nuts.
I just talked to a Hospital CEO who said that they can't get a single person transferred to Nashville right now except for cardiac emergencies. The issue is real. The burnout amongst healthcare workers is real.
The crisis does not exist if more people are vaccinated.
For you to believe that the story was "misleading" you would have to totally reject the opinion of the doctor. His recount of what happened is the whole story. You apparently assume he has an "agenda" and just made the story up.
No, the DR stated the procedure takes 30 minutes, which is likely true, but irrelevant because the hospital he worked at doesn't provide the procedure.
The patient was at the VA hospital that does do the procedure within 7 hours, yet the disease was to far progressed to perform the surgery. That didn't happen in 7 hours or 30 minutes.
I'm not ignoring basic facts, this story is being used to scare people, and it is intentionally misleading. I'm not saying the issue isn't real, I'm saying in the instance it isn't. The man died because of the progression of his disease when he entered the hospital.
The disease is bad enough, there is no need to push BS narratives.
Then when they mislead they use anecdotal stuff by "talking to a hospital doctor".
Yeah right.
The story is misleading, read it for yourself. The hospital the DR is at doesn't do the procedure the man required, and he needed it probably days before he entered the ER. The patient was at the VA hospital within 7 hours that does do the procedure, but the disease was to far progressed at that point. He didn't die because covid patients took up space, he died because of the progression of the disease.
I’m all for scrutiny of media. I listen to a podcast called No Agenda, and if you haven’t listened to it, you’d probably be into it.
However, you’re falling into a trap. All media that goes against your world view is labeled as fake news or agenda driven news. And truth is, bias cannot be removed from media. But dismissing all media because of bias is like killing a horse because you don’t like it’s spots.
That’s the part you don’t know and also the point they are making. If the hospital had ICU immediately then he would’ve had a better chance.
If these folks are so scared of outliers, wait until they find about about what happens to people who fly in planes that crash. This same crowd might never fly again as you’re more likely to die in a plane crash than from a vaccine side effect.
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