Covid and vaccinations
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3 things. Edit: that was not absolute, it is per capita. Removed this line.
Second, this is more than a month old and some of those low vax countries (the ones in the Balkans) have gone on to have bad waves by now. And lastly, some of those low vax countries have the worst per capita death rates in the world, so not something to be emulated, and also indicating likely very high levels of population immunity from unrestrained natural spread.
The rest were almost exclusively just fat or old.
One doesn't make it to old age if they are obese. The depth of stupidity some of you display is remarkable; wild eyed theories about micrcochips communicating with 5g towers would be a step up for you.
It's not a "pandemic of the unvaccinated," those fit and healthy, but a pandemic of the not vaccinated with underlying conditions.
You need to take a deeper than skimming the surface look at that to make any meaningful conclusions. Obesity had a risk ratio of 1.3 - meaning an obese person 30% more likely to die than a non-obese person. Yes, the large majority had preexisting conditions... but the majority of PEOPLE have preexisting conditions. High blood pressure was the most common risk factor among hospitalized people - which makes sense when nearly half of all US adults have high blood pressure! Yes, the fraction of deaths from non-obese healthy people is low - but the fraction of non-obese healthy people in the US is low, and they do have a lower (but not zero, not 10x lower) risk. You're a prime example of "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing." You know enough to think you know what you're doing, and run yourself off on a course to false conclusions, without the knowledge or experience to understand where you're going wrong.
It's very simple. Over 50 or other underlying conditions, you need to get vaccinated.
Under 50 and healthy, you should get vaccinated same reason you get vaccinated for flu. You don't want to miss work and you don't want to risk being a vector for transmission. You also want to seriously consider vaccination because unlike the flu, this is a novel virus that you're body doesn't have previous experience fighting. There are also unknowns, such as long covid.
If you have underlying conditions like high blood pressure, you are not healthy. Get vaxxed and stop eating at McDonald's while you are at it.
Under 50 and healthy, you should get vaccinated same reason you get vaccinated for flu. You don't want to miss work and you don't want to risk being a vector for transmission. You also want to seriously consider vaccination because unlike the flu, this is a novel virus that you're body doesn't have previous experience fighting. There are also unknowns, such as long covid.
If you have underlying conditions like high blood pressure, you are not healthy. Get vaxxed and stop eating at McDonald's while you are at it.
This is way too simple guidance and lacks the controversial endorphin bite im looking for.
I appreciate that you acknowledge the many reasons for vaccination, I just think you do somewhat underestimate the risk to even healthy younger people. Death? Pretty unlikely. But hospitalization is still a risk, and one I very happily seek to avoid. Risk of hospitalization doesn't scale NEARLY as quickly with age as risk of death does.
You’re correct that not being obese doesn’t mean you’re not at risk. Age is the greatest risk factor we have. I know people who are not overweight that have heart disease and people with ideal BMIs who have lung issues. Again, those are all health conditions. The CDC study literally said the more overweight you are, the higher the risks. You really think perfectly healthy people under the age of 50 with no medical conditions are at a serious risk of hospitalization or death from Covid?
You’re right. But it also doesn’t tell you the ages or other underlying conditions of those people in the other group. I’m not anti-vaxx at all. I’m very pro vaxx for those who are older or have underlying conditions. I have recommended several family members who are overweight or have underlying conditions to become vaccinated. Myself personally, I’ve had covid twice. My body handles it great. Like a mild cold or allergies. I see no need in getting a vaxx for it when those around me who are vulnerable have a chance to protect themselves through vaccination.
Death, quite low risk. Hospitalization, I don't know that I'd call it serious risk but that study just posted showed people with the most conditions only twice as likely to go in the hospital as people with no conditions. And from other CDC data, about 1 in 36 people in their 40s who get covid end up in the hospital. If completely healthy people are half that risk, it's 1 in 72. Even a 1 in 100 chance of a hospital stay - while not serious risk - is more risk than I'm comfortable playing with when their are vaccines that are free, have risks of side effects several orders of magnitude lower than that, and reduce your hospitalization risk by a factor of 10.
I understand that. I’ve always encouraged anyone who has underlying health conditions or up in age to take the vaccine. But I think the people who make a focused effort to be healthy understand their bodies and should make a decision they feel comfortable with and not one of coercion.
I’m no scientist by any stretch of the imagination, not even a Holiday Inn Express one. But from what I understand about the COVID-19 virus and the vaccines, the virus needs a specific protein to be able to survive and infect you. The really short explanation of the vaccine is that it tells the body to kill that protein when it gets in the body. So as long as that protein doesn’t mutate to be immune from the bodies kill response (can proteins do that? I have no idea) or the virus doesn’t mutate to needing a different protein, the vaccines should still hold up reasonably well to variants.
Problem is the kind they are getting, the animal kind, isn’t designed to be used on humans. The human formulation is prescription only. There’s a reason why there is an animal formulation and a human formulation.
The animal formulation is much more highly concentrated because it’s designed for big *** animals like horses and cows. It would be like a human taking a pill of horse viagra instead of human viagra.
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Oh I don’t disagree. I know the carriers in the animal form are just additives found in human food and drink but like you said, dosage would be the part where people mess up. If I was healthy, I’d much rather trust my immune system to handle the job than any experimental treatment until more is known. I don’t understand anyone healthy, with a good immune system resorting to such types of self medication.
well to be honest about 78% of American period is obese, probably 10-15% classified as morbidly obese.
From what I encounter.
I agree. Which is why the medical industry doesn’t really target healthy people or deal in prevention. Our own FDA was bought out by tobacco & sugar for years. It’s been terrible for the people. Until we try to get a grip on healthier living as a country, we will continue to have increased vulnerability to all sorts of diseases & illnesses. It’s not far fetched to believe that most of the remaining 22% were mostly older folks when looking at age breakdowns of Covid deaths. I’m sure there are young, healthy people who Covid has taken, just like the flu does each year. But being younger and healthy absolutely decreases the chances of Covid being serious in a person by a significant factor.
The person I know in the J&J study was told he received the vaccine, which he already knew because of his reaction to the shot.
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First time had all the symptoms. Similar to a cold with a bad cough, loss of smell and taste included, which I thought was really weird because I’d never experienced anything like it and rarely get sick. This was early March of 2020, right at the beginning of Covid in the US, before it was supposed to be in our state, before all the testing. Negative for flu and strep. Was told it was probably just a respiratory virus of some kind. Whole family came down with it. A few months later when loss of taste and smell was labeled as a symptom, I went an got an antibody test which came back positive. I didn’t trust it and got a 2nd antibody test 2 months later with my wife this time. Both still positive for antibodies. Flash forward to this summer, and my parents thought they had a cold. My mom went to get tested because she cares for her mother and came back positive. I had been in contact with her daily and developed a couple mild symptoms so I went and was tested as well. Came back positive. Had a headache one night, lost my taste and smell again and had some sinus issues. Nothing major though. Wife developed the same symptoms and was marked as a probable. Kids just had a runny nose but marked as probable also. I still can’t smell some things but the wife’s has come back. We know a few people in our area who have tested positive for a 2nd time now since the Delta variant has ramped up. Good news is, it has been milder for everyone I know.
No. I had been exposed several times within a year and never was reinfected until the variant. Figured my antibodies were good. Must have worn off or not been effective. Not sure that it would have helped. I gave it to my fully vaxxed uncle. He was sicker than me but still nothing serious, thank goodness. If I do end up having to take the vaxx, it will be the J&J. My grandmother took it and I didn’t spread it to her so that is promising to me. Right now though I feel good about my antibodies and the way it’s effected my body when I have had it.
My company gave us a $60 per month credit for next year on the amount that comes out of our checks for our health insurance, if we get the vaccine. So essentially a $720 bonus.
Great move. I think it should also be treated just as smoking is. If you smoke where I work you pay $50 more a month for health insurance.
If my company did that I would be virtually getting health insurance for free.
Same here. We actually used to ban smoking for employees then apparently a couple years ago they lifted that ban but made them start paying more for health insurance. Even if they quit smoking they still got to pay it, so once you start you’re stuck with paying extra into perpetuity.
if you look like him you need to get vaccinated.
Lot numbers aren't generated by entering them into state department of health websites. They are created by the manufacturer.
In Virginia (I'm going to assume it works in somewhat similar fashion in other states though someone in the know correct me if I'm making a bad assumption), each vaccination site is required to report to the Virginia Department of Health via the Virginia Immunization Information System each lot they receive, how much quantity, expiration date, etc.
Then each immunization they enter, which is tied to the individual that received it, will subtract from the lots they have in stock.
Any doses they discard of in any fashion (expired, some **** up on site, etc.) are required to be reported on VIIS.
So they would have to post fraudulent stock received to be able to fit in fraudulent vaccinations, which would be easily found on an audit. Or they would have to add stock of a vaccine lot they never received to add the fraudulent vaccinations, which would also be easy to catch on an audit. They can lose their license to administer vaccines if caught committing fraud like this person is alleging, and obviously folks could face jail time and significant fines over this.
And here's the thing if they use lot numbers they never received. They'll need to know the expiration dates to be able to enter it on the VIIS. That's not something you can just look up.
The only people with the access to that are the manufacturers and the vaccine sites that receive the lots. Only way I can even figure out what the expiration date was for my vaccines is if I go on VIIS and look up our stock, and the only people that can look up our stock are the people with the login information for our clinic. IF you just make up an expiration date for a lot or enter a lot you never received stock of, that's going to be easy to catch on an audit. Hell, that fraud would be easier to catch than trying to chase down a paraplegic lying in bed.
So basically, to be able to enter in a lot number they didn't actually receive, they will need to get the information from another administration site by either having someone tell them or by illegally logging in to another person's account.
And that site is pretty heavily monitored for fraud because there is a WHOLE LOT of personal medical and non-medical information I have access to on that site for every single person who has ever received an immunization in the state of VA since it has gone digital. You give me the name and birthdate (may only need name if it's a fairly unique name) of a Virginia resident who has received an immunization within the state and I can find out all sorts of stuff. Just looking at myself, I can see my full name, birth date, mother's name, Birth city/state/country, previously used names, race, ethnicity, gender, home address, phone number, email address, dependents (aka children), and my immunization history. It's a treasure trove for identity thieves.
Thats a misleading article to get clicks. There's no indication that the stores are out of it because people are buying it to use on themselves.
Bill if you haven't figured it out yet.
Pro Covid vaccine info is gospel and indisputable and never ever wrong
Anti Covid vaccine info is qooks, "conspiracy", wrong, and fake
Once you drink the pro Covid vaccine Kool aid you've lost your ability to be critical
God knows there are no Americans dumb enough in Oklahoma to take horse Ivermectin when they are sick with covid...right?
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