Covid and vaccinations
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I never said any ER was over run. I said that calls to poison control and health departments have increased and they have. Never said a word about gun shot victims. If you feel better about yourself calling someone a retard (I have a family member with down syndrome and that term is reprehensible) more power to you. Using that word says more about you and the content of your character than anything. There is a reason I have you on ignore and you just proved it. I made the mistake of viewing ignored content. I won't make that mistake again.
Yeah, it's better for you to ignore my posts.
I have no animosity against mentally handicapped individuals - many of them are far better off than the "able."
Jameslee makes **** up. Also don't forget the Mississippi report about overdoses. That turned out to be ******** too.
People are flat out lying about ivermectin.
They are also lying about the numbers of unvaccinated in hospitals too. My wife has a co-worker who's wife is a nurse at one the local hospitals and she said when someone comes in and test positive and stays there because of problems they are ask if they are vaccinated and if they say yes but it was not at that hospital they call that person uncertain and therefore an unvaccinated patient.
Sound familiar?
Sounds like fiction you pulled out of your ***.
It's Wildcat Boston with more dumb ****.
Anyone that listens to this guy is bound for poverty
The only *** that has been pulled out here is you. Keep on goose stepping Klaus.
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Solid reading. Thread is a **** show. Solid entertainment.
Solid reading. Thread is a **** show. Solid entertainment.
"Chittenden County in Vermont is among the most vaccinated in the country, with 87.3% of its eligible population vaccinated, but has gone from near zero case counts to high levels of COVID-19 transmission in the span of weeks."
And my mind is still blown that the Biden administration is extremely selective when it comes to science. Totally ignoring natural immunity although the NIH produced a peer-reviewed study about this, saying the response is robust...at least 8 months but probably longer. To ignore this slashes the administration's credibility big time:
www.nih.gov
Natural immunity does not poo poo on the vaccine but you're either going to listen to the science or your not. And right now this administration is more about narratives than science.
And my mind is still blown that the Biden administration is extremely selective when it comes to science. Totally ignoring natural immunity although the NIH produced a peer-reviewed study about this, saying the response is robust...at least 8 months but probably longer. To ignore this slashes the administration's credibility big time:
Lasting immunity found after recovery from COVID-19
The immune systems of more than 95% of people who recovered from COVID-19 had durable memories of the virus up to eight months after infection.
www.nih.gov
Natural immunity does not poo poo on the vaccine but you're either going to listen to the science or your not. And right now this administration is more about narratives than science.
The dumbass stood on the podium and said 75% of America is vaxxed, you 25% are fueling this pandemic.
It’s like we’re contractually obligated to get every single person vaxxed, then and only then can we tell everyone the vax doesn’t work. You all need the new vax.
They already started it by telling us the vax wore off, gotta get a booster, or maybe two or three. Then they pulled that narrative back…I can only assume because it was definitely NOT helping them fulfill their obligations to pharma. So, now they’re just gonna try and force the 25% to take a vax that may or may not work. Who knows. Who cares.
It’s like we’re contractually obligated to get every single person vaxxed, then and only then can we tell everyone the vax doesn’t work. You all need the new vax.
They already started it by telling us the vax wore off, gotta get a booster, or maybe two or three. Then they pulled that narrative back…I can only assume because it was definitely NOT helping them fulfill their obligations to pharma. So, now they’re just gonna try and force the 25% to take a vax that may or may not work. Who knows. Who cares.
"Chittenden County in Vermont is among the most vaccinated in the country, with 87.3% of its eligible population vaccinated, but has gone from near zero case counts to high levels of COVID-19 transmission in the span of weeks."
And my mind is still blown that the Biden administration is extremely selective when it comes to science. Totally ignoring natural immunity although the NIH produced a peer-reviewed study about this, saying the response is robust...at least 8 months but probably longer. To ignore this slashes the administration's credibility big time:
Lasting immunity found after recovery from COVID-19
The immune systems of more than 95% of people who recovered from COVID-19 had durable memories of the virus up to eight months after infection.
Natural immunity does not poo poo on the vaccine but you're either going to listen to the science or your not. And right now this administration is more about narratives than science.
That's a classic fearporn headline. Their rate of transmission is a fraction of what's going on in KY.
Their rate per 100,000 right now is 17 and is heading down. That would make them the lowest rate of transmission in ky and they're doing lot more testing than we are.
A HUGE % of those cases are in kids who aren't eligible for the vaccine. Their positivity rate is 3.2%.
That article is proof that the vaccines work.
The vaccines do work, but they can't get us to zero covid.
So it makes sense to look into all possible treatments, and to do so in a serious manner, not this knee jerk for profit political nonsense and media induced hysteria.
The virus is going to have to infect the vaccinated and not - no treatment should be discarded purely due to political bias.
No one said the vaccines do not work. You're like on steroids defensive about the vaccine to the degree you automatically assume every post that says anything out of line is an attack on the vaccine.
This administration has over-sold the vaccine. They've constantly said things about the vaccine, the vaccinated, & the unvaccinated that are not scientifically based. And they totally avoid ANY REAL SCIENCE that states anything contrary to their narrative.
The USA Today article was spot on. If the entire globe were vaccinated COVID would continue. And Pfizer has already warned that DELTA is a wake up call that the virus mutations are figuring out how to side-step the vaccine & that a newly developed vaccine is a must...not more doses of the same. Does this mean the vaccine is entirely useless? ABSOLUTELY NOT!! If what this vaccine is & does is understood, you see it has value...but you also see the stupidity of forcing this vaccination.
Mandating this particular vaccine with an unscientific view of covid is ridiculous of a government. Biden, in yesterday's speech, actually blamed the unvaccinated for vaccinated people getting sick, & some even dying. That's reckless, dangerous rhetoric, & has not one shred of science to support it. And what's even more puzzling is that folks are uninformed enough that they believe him. It's crazy!
What is crazy about it all, is that unvaccinated people who already had COVID are scientifically proven to be more protected against it than those that are vaccinated. But those people will now be forced to take the vaccine that offers them and others they contact no benefit now. And vaccine thumpers somehow applaud this madness.
To say that it offers no benefits to those who have had Covid is simply wrong. The vaccine is an additional boost to the immune system and provides additional protection to those who have had Covid. It does offer a benefit. To say otherwise is simply wrong.
Crazy huh, to the vax heads, this thing cures mortality
A 2nd shot to a prior infected hasnt shown to provide any additional benefit. Any shots to prior infected have shown a greater chance of side effects than shots to a non immune person.
A blanket mandate with no recognition or guidance to this group is irresponsible.
A blanket mandate with no recognition or guidance to this group is irresponsible.
My simple point is that it is well known that those with antibodies already have extremely low rates of reinfection, let alone death. To what point and what reason would it be to thus force those people to get another booster when their odds are already naturally extremely low now. If you can defend that level of forced protection via government, you could literally defend any medical mandate the government puts in place as long as it offers an extremely slight protection.
I mean, c'mon. Their odds of death at that point are already likely well within the lines of thousands of other diseases. You could literally defend government forced vaccinations on those as well with an argument like that. We have to be able to stop for a moment and say "whoa, a line may be getting crossed". Even if you are a hard core pro-vax guy, you have to agree there's boundaries that are potentially being crossed here.
I never said anything about whether I was in favor of what Biden is doing or not. I am simply stating that both the CDC and the WHO have said vaccines for previously infected individuals provides a boots to their immune system. Maybe they are wrong. You yourself however just said that the tests haven't proven that. They also haven't proven that the vaccine isn't beneficial to the previously infected. Either way your initial post is wrong. It is your opinion and you posted it as fact.
The tests have in-fact proven those previously infected are already extremely unlikely to get COVID. They haven't proven the benefits of a vaccine added to that. The results from such a study would be beside the point, because someone already infected has extremely low chances of infection and especially death. Meaning forcing them to get vaccinated is completely unnecessary.
That doesn't mean that the vaccine doesn't provide benefit to those who were previously infected. You are changing your statement. In your initial post, you stated previously infected and those they come in contact with do not benefit from the vaccine. You do not know that because you yourself admitted that tests on that haven't been done much to prove that. It also hasn't disproved it either which means you saying previously infected won't benefit from the vaccine is your opinion that you are trying to pass as fact. Saying they shouldn't have mandated vaccines is a completely different argument than saying they won't benefit from the vaccine. Keep moving the goal posts all you want. That doesn't change what you initially said.
The purpose of the vaccine is to decrease your chance of infection, and to decrease the severity of disease should infection take place anyway.
To that end, for a healthy and relatively young indivdual who had a significant enough infection so as to produce a robust antibody response, the vaccine does indeed provide no substantive benefit.
The reason you have a vaccine mandate in the first place is to decrease the amount of people infected, but since a person with naturally acquired antibodies is already less prone to infection than the vaccinated indivdual, forcing him to get vaccinated is not in keeping with the ostensible goals of the mandate.
To that end, for a healthy and relatively young indivdual who had a significant enough infection so as to produce a robust antibody response, the vaccine does indeed provide no substantive benefit.
The reason you have a vaccine mandate in the first place is to decrease the amount of people infected, but since a person with naturally acquired antibodies is already less prone to infection than the vaccinated indivdual, forcing him to get vaccinated is not in keeping with the ostensible goals of the mandate.
You are trying to disprove the specifics of a sentence rather than my overall point. I literally omitted what I said and that it may offer benefits, but that is beside my ultimate point that it is still unnecessary to require vaccinations of people who already naturally will have an extremely low chance of reinfecting. I think your goal is to somehow win an argument, but that isn't my goal here. I am simply trying to get my point through and that is all. I already admitted to much of what you are still trying to correct, but my conclusion doesn't change.
I am a board member at our hospital and I can, with all certainty, tell you that the majority of patients that are being hospitalized in our local hospital are the unvaccinated.
It's all these idiots can do, play word games and wallow in their own stupidity.
I need a leftist to explain the logic of this. You OK with it? Let me hear how you rationalize it. Spin away boys.
I know the explanation.
Migrants are a protected class.
The taxpayer isn't.
Migrants are a protected class.
The taxpayer isn't.
I don't even know what to say, we're in the midst of a pandemic thats so bad that the federal govt is mandating vaccines. Yet, the southern border is wide open with illegal immigrants coming in, in what world is this acceptable?
It's not acceptable in any sane world and anybody that isn't disgusted by this **** is not fit for our civilized society.
Come on democrats. Explain it.
And there are people who will laugh this off. If their side is in power,they could honestly care less how unconstitutional they are.
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You claiming to be civilized is funny since all you do is name call and harass those who have different views than you. That is far from civilized.
Not just unconstitutional. Totally lacking of moral and rational principles.
I'm trying to understand how this makes sense. I'd really appreciate if you explained it if you can.
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