Covid and vaccinations
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The difference is that we have a 49 year sample size with car seats.
We have a few month sample with this hasty vaccine. So far, the results are unpredictable, at best.
But carry on with your distorted analogy.
For me, it has nothing to do with my personal faith and everything to do with not falling in line with coercion - even the fluffy-bunny kind of coercion that comes in the package of the "do your part" mantra you're spouting.
My body is capable of building up immunity to Covid. Clinical studies show that anyone who already had Covid doesn't need the shot. I had Covid last year.
Why should I "do my part" when I've already had Covid and built up antibodies naturally?
Bigger question: who are you to say who should take the shot or not? Let people make their own choices.
And I don't understand your lack of discernment.
1. Covid came from China. It was man-made. Do you see our national leaders promoting any type of sanction on China? There isn't even an ongoing enquiry. Red flag on the discernment meter. Red flag #1.
2. The vaccines were rushed to the forefront and approved by a desperate government in need of solutions. Most vaccines take 3 to 10 times longer to develop. The ones we have were made in about 7 months. Red flag #2.
3. The lockdown has decimated small business. In some states, as many as 35% of small businesses have ceased to exist. The same local and state leaders pushing for the vaccine simultaneously have created mandates that have very nearly wiped out small businesses in this country - many mandates that make no sense from a practical level. Red flag #3.
4. We've heard that if 75% of the population gets the vaccine, a "herd immunity" will develop. Well, look at the areas where close to 75% received the vaccine - the government is still pushing for more-more-more. Why? Red flag #4.
5. These directives have further split the American church as churches have struggled to meet protocols. Red flag #5.
6. People who are getting the vaccine are still dying or getting sick. The Covid-related death report numbers are not accurate. Many people in the medical field are coming out and saying the Covid reports are inaccurate and fudged due to funding. Red flag #6.
If the vaccine works, why are you so worried about the people who haven't taken it? Shouldn't you be fine?
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And my job is going to suck because I’m going to have to help figure out how to monitor vaccination status or testing of 1,000 employees spread over 40 states if our dipshit politicians get their way. Please pray for me.
I'll answer this when I get to work but you won't like it.
After I got done chuckling at all that I decided to give you a thorough response. So, you think I have poor judgment but you actually think all of that? Wow.
Lets do this item by item since you were nice enough to enumerate your frustrations with my discernment.
1. Yes, covid came from China. No, you can't prove that it was man made but it possible. Perhaps you should read this very good article from Nature. It doesn't seem skewed one way or the other and it is informative. https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01529-3
Since you are attacking me with the discernment notion please note that I have no authority to launch any type of investigation into covids origins. If you do, please do so. Red flag #1 isn't getting you very far since it isn't fully accurate.
2. Oh boy, I love this one. I'm about to use a word you won't like but I'm not calling you stupid. You are however ignorant. In fact, you were so ignorant in that that I had to laugh. One almost has to be intentionally ignorant to believe what you posted there. First, there was no rush. The technology, mRNA, for vaccines is new. It has nothing to do with old fashioned methods to create vaccines. Your complaint is akin being dubious that a plane can take you from NYC to London in hours instead of needing months on a schooner. Just so you know mRNA isn't new. It's been around for decades, used in research for cancer mainly. The primary framework for the covid vaccine was already done because of SARS but SARS went away and they didn't finish. The covid vaccine basically needed tweaks to finish it. Hence a quick turnaround. This is all verifiable information. https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-03626-1#:~:text=The world was able to,moving more quickly than normal.
3. You're conflating ideas and consequences that don't necessarily belong together. Here in Georgia, we've lost few small businesses. Our governor has a brain. He also encourages wearing a mask and getting a vaccine but doesn't mandate either. Our schools are open and have been since last fall. What is your red flag for on this one?
4. What areas have 75% vaccinated rates? The data is pretty clear that the vaccine lessens symptoms. There are for more breakthrough cases than they were expecting but at least the severity issue is right. You can see this in Israel pretty clearly. 80% of Israel is vaccinated. They are the best real world model of what is going on with vaccines and covid. The stats don't help your argument or your red flags. https://www.timesofisrael.com/hospi...-ecmo-machines-used-for-critical-covid-cases/
5. Most places have no church "directives". What are you talking about. The issue for most churches is the split between the vaccinated and unvaccinated. That is causing serious problems. My mothers small church in Texas which has 250 members has lost 14 so far with 1 on a ventilator. Not a single one of those who died has had the vaccine. Who and what is your red flag for here? I'm not certain you're following your own thought process.
6. Yes, people will still get sick, a few seriously and even fewer will still die. The vaccines never claimed perfection so why do you expect it? Look at the hospital stats in Kentucky. If you don't trust the state, listen to the local leaders. The overwhelming majority of those in the hospital, seriously sick and dying are unvaccinated. That really isn't a debatable point any longer. We have the National Guard at 20+ hospitals because the staff is overwhelmed. Thru all that you'll come back with...liars, you can't trust them...blah, blah, blah. Look, science is science. If you don't like it, fine but don't try to infer some giant conspiracy theory among myriad governments, 10's of millions of drs and researchers. If you have some substance to support your idea that we're simply being lied to, present it, but be cautioned. I'm sick of whacko sites making **** up and lying thru their teeth about the vaccine. They are feeding nonsense to the ignorant who lap it up like pablum. Don't take the vaccine, I couldn't care less. Just don't whine when people die unnecessarily because people like you are needlessly crowding hospitals.
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Let's start with the first point and expand the conversation there (your condescending "know-it-all" attitude doesn't give much hope that you actually want to be taken seriously, by the way). The biggest elephant in the room was and still is the origin of Covid. Why are we no longer asking where it came from and how it came to be?
If you blow off that fundamental question - a question that doesn't seem very important to you (you claim to have discernment, but the origin of Covid isn't a concern to you - why is that?) what is the use in addressing the other points?
Convince me with your tone that this is a conversation worth expanding.
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Aren't you that weirdo poster who tries to stir up trouble all the time?Where did you copy that from?
I don't mind continuing but what do you want me to do when I've researched these things ad nauseum? As for it's origin, as the article mentioned, most researchers think it occurred naturally. I'm not concerned about its origin because it doesn't change my reality. I can't answer the question. I can't help anyone else answer the question. However, we still have the virus to deal with. The biggest issue is access to data which China will never grant. I don't think this will ever be answered with 100% certainty.
I thought the exact same thing when I noticed the font of that post was different from every other post on the page. Gotta be Facebook.Where did you copy that from?
No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
This has become a common refrain among the cautious—and it’s wrong.
www.theatlantic.com
That's actually only partially true. The antibodies in your body have a finite amount of time to protect you. You could easily get covid again. Oddly enough it's the same way with the vaccination. You may get it again but without many problems.
I totally understand you don't want the vaccine, nor do many on here. I don't think you should be forced to get it. I'm just getting tired of all the unvaccinated people dying right in front me. I don't want that to happen to any of you guys.
My body, my choice.
(did I get that right?)
(did I get that right?)
No.
Abortions aren’t a contagious virus. If one of my coworkers gets an abortion, I very likely won’t even know about it. And at least it seems most people hold off on telling anyone but their father and a doctor that they are pregnant until after a few months, which is beyond the point the vast majority of people even get an abortion anyways. So doesn’t effect me in any capacity.
If one of my coworkers is unvaccinated and gets COVID, then they has exposed everyone in the office to a deadly virus. And there are quite a few high-risk people in the office. Luckily all the coworkers in my practice are vaccinated as far as I’m aware though.
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Has anyone, or do you know anyone that has gotten sick with Covid that got it again and got sick enough to be hospitalized, or died?
I'm not talking about testing positive or getting the sniffles but actually sick enough that you would have had to stay home or visit a hospital.
I'm not talking about testing positive or getting the sniffles but actually sick enough that you would have had to stay home or visit a hospital.
Ummmm, nobody is stopping YOU from getting the vaccine genius, so what are you worried about?
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Weird logic.
Abortions lead to 100% chance of death. Covid is still around 98% to 99.75% chance of survival for those who actually get it.
You could at least own up to the fact that the logic is contradictory, but maybe you see an unborn baby as a fetus and have no issue with that?
That's not even the BIGGEST flaw in the logic.
It seems that I'm endangering vaccinated people, by not getting vaccinated, which begs the obvious question... LOL
It seems that I'm endangering vaccinated people, by not getting vaccinated, which begs the obvious question... LOL
You're only temporarily less likely to catch/transmit virus, few months after vaccination tops. So the perceived moral superiority you get from doing your part and thrill you get by scolding others for not doing theirs is only temporary... 'til you get your biannual booster to reup your circulating antibody level$.
There is no zero covid; everyone is going to encounter the virus unless you never spend any significant time indoors with other people. Do that then if you're really scared of the virus and let the rest of functioning society get back to getting stuff done in a non hysterical and dysfunctional manner without you.
There is no zero covid; everyone is going to encounter the virus unless you never spend any significant time indoors with other people. Do that then if you're really scared of the virus and let the rest of functioning society get back to getting stuff done in a non hysterical and dysfunctional manner without you.
When I drive by the hospitals that still have their “Heroes Work Here” banners still up, I reminisce that just a few short months ago that they were all heroes. Some heroes are more employable than others.
To give them ultimatums after doing the work for the last year and a half...
Well, well, well, how the turntables...
To give them ultimatums after doing the work for the last year and a half...
Well, well, well, how the turntables...
Yes. My shop has been closed the last week because one of my machinists got Covid. 3rd time this year. Twice pre-vaccine, this time post-vaccine. He's doing OK, no ventilator, yet. We're all praying he makes it out of this. Hospitalized all 3 times. He has two young sons.
I recently lost my uncle and cousin to Covid, both had been vaccinated.
Full disclosure, I'm fully vaccinated.
Thanks, I've been wondering if it has happened. That poor guy can't get away from it, hope he recovers okay.
John, it seems like certain folks are just more susceptible to contracting the virus. Vaccine or not. He's a fairly healthy guy, young. Me, I've been exposed to Covid more times than I know. I've had not so much as a sniffle. I don't think any of this is as hard and fast as they want us to think.
An unborn child is indeed biologically a fetus. That is the definition of fetus. More specifically, from nine weeks after fertilization until birth.
We also have to get the flu shot among other vaccinations but I don’t recall you nutjobs throwing a fit until now.
The fact people working directly with patients are floored that vaccines are being mandated is beyond me.
Whatever- if it’s worth being canned over, stay strong.
I think you are thinking of yourself
It floors you that people want to make choices about what's put into their own bodies that you might disagree with? Human agency floors you?
A human fetus with a heart beat at 6 weeks, and a soul at conception. Play innocent human life down if you wish and eventually suffer the consequence but, you still missed the point. Regardless of the situation my body my choice has been the rallying cry for years until it knocks on your door and now you want to walk that back because it does not fit your narrative.
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