Covid shot... Experience

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Saw a meme the other day that went something like this:

"How Wil we know if the vaccine is successful? If the survival rate goes from 99.7% to 99.8%?"

Thoughts?

I know it's a joke and I'm to the right of Rush Limbaugh, but you do not want to get this extremely easy virus to get. And if you are over 60, you really don't want it.
 
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Who should not get the vax? Those of you who have really studied this, is there any condition wherein a person should not get it? Or should every person, regardless of condition, health, history, age etc, get it
 
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Who should not get the vax? Those of you who have really studied this, is there any condition wherein a person should not get it? Or should every person, regardless of condition, health, history, age etc, get it
If they are allergic to one of the ingredients then they shouldn't.

There are some certain things that mean you should delay getting it, like if you got another vaccination (say like a tetanus shot), then you're supposed to wait two weeks before getting another shot.
 

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I know it's a joke and I'm to the right of Rush Limbaugh, but you do not want to get this extremely easy virus to get. And if you are over 60, you really don't want it.
He's actually very close to correct about the 99.7% survival rate without the vaccine. With it, it's probably closer to 99.99%. Whatever, this "pandemic" is on its last leg, so go find something else to get paranoid about. So done with this crap.
 
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He's actually very close to correct about the 99.7% survival rate without the vaccine. With it, it's probably closer to 99.99%. Whatever, this "pandemic" is on its last leg, so go find something else to get paranoid about. So done with this crap.

The one thing the survival rate doesn't really mention is that soooo many people are getting sick. Like say this thing has a 0.03 chance of killing you, but everybody in your family is going to get it if you don't have a vaccine. My immediate family (wife, kids, parents, in-laws, brothers and sisters) consist of about 16 people. If everybody gets the disease there is a 5% chance that one of us is toast.
 

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The one thing the survival rate doesn't really mention is that soooo many people are getting sick. Like say this thing has a 0.03 chance of killing you, but everybody in your family is going to get it if you don't have a vaccine. My immediate family (wife, kids, parents, in-laws, brothers and sisters) consist of about 16 people. If everybody gets the disease there is a 5% chance that one of us is toast.
What in the world makes you think that 16 out of 16 people in your family would get it, but for the vaccine?

Anyway, the population fatality rate is less than 2 in 1000 in America. For the world, it is much less, about 1 in 3000. The Spanish Flu managed to kill about 3% of the population of the world. That's nearly a 100x death ratio for the Spanish Flu per capita compared to "Covid", yet the world didn't wet the bed over the Spanish Flu, so why do it now?

Also, the Black Death killed about one third of the world, if not more. "Covid" needs to kill about 3 BILLION people on Earth to catch up with a real pandemic like the Black Death per capita. "Covid" needs to kill 270 MILLION people to catch up with the Spanish Flu per capita.

Sorry, not scared.
 
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If they are allergic to one of the ingredients then they shouldn't.

There are some certain things that mean you should delay getting it, like if you got another vaccination (say like a tetanus shot), then you're supposed to wait two weeks before getting another shot.

Thank you. I've also heard that those with autoimmune issues should consult their doctor to weigh risk/benefits of getting the shot. But I've yet to hear anyone discuss what those risks may be.
 

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The one thing the survival rate doesn't really mention is that soooo many people are getting sick. Like say this thing has a 0.03 chance of killing you, but everybody in your family is going to get it if you don't have a vaccine. My immediate family (wife, kids, parents, in-laws, brothers and sisters) consist of about 16 people. If everybody gets the disease there is a 5% chance that one of us is toast.

And "survival" is a pretty broad term. Survival can range from testing positive with no or mild symptoms to being laid up for 2 or more weeks with bad flu like symptoms to being hospitalized, in the ICU and intubated for a month or three. Survival can also be like my dental hygienist's brother in-law, who has permanent lung damage or like the guy back in my home town who was laid up for nearly 2 months in ICU, then had a stroke a week or so after his release last summer and is still not back to normal. Covid-19 truly is like a box of chocolates.

BTW, it's been nearly 60 hours since my 2nd Moderna shot and I have had zero side effects, and 4 days for my wife with no side effects.
 
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You'd have a .5% chance someone died in that example.

If everyone has the same 99.97% chance of survival, .9997^16 is .9952.

In other words, a 99.5% chance everyone survived, but that's not realistic and way under estimates the actual probability as you aren't accounting for age/health and you are presuming you will get infected, which the odds of that happening go down significantly every day as more and more people get vaccinated.

Presuming the vaccine works, that is, and I see no evidence it isn't as effective as they claim. There's a Johns Hopkins site where you can put in your age, zip conditions etc and it gives you your likelihood of dying of Covid. Take that number, convert to decimal, and multiply them out like I did there and you'd get the actual chance, if you really wanted to nerd out and know.

(Which still isn't accurate as it's taking past data and extrapolating forward where conditions aren't the same)
 
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You'd have a .5% chance someone died in that example.

If everyone has the same 99.97% chance of survival, .9997^16 is .9952.

In other words, a 99.5% chance everyone survived, but that's not realistic and way under estimates the actual probability as you aren't accounting for age/health and you are presuming you will get infected, which the odds of that happening go down significantly every day as more and more people get vaccinated.

Presuming the vaccine works, that is, and I see no evidence it isn't as effective as they claim. There's a Johns Hopkins site where you can put in your age, zip conditions etc and it gives you your likelihood of dying of Covid. Take that number, convert to decimal, and multiply them out like I did there and you'd get the actual chance, if you really wanted to nerd out and know.

(Which still isn't accurate as it's taking past data and extrapolating forward where conditions aren't the same)

Hey Al Einstein, I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but 0.2% of the US population has already died of this. So your 99.97% analysis is already flawed.
 
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Heh, ok man, yes... if all 16 of you are over 70 and diabetic, then your number is still less accurate than mine would be.

My personal odds of dying to covid are 1 in a million, per that John Hopkins data site I mentioned, and I'm comfortable with that.

Especially considering the measures I take, my personal odds are probably even closer to zero than that. But yes, everyone who wants to take the vaccine should take it, even if irrational fear is the motivating factor, but others shouldn't be forced to take it just to placate those fears.
 

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Hey Al Einstein, I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but 0.2% of the US population has already died of this. So your 99.97% analysis is already flawed.
You once posted that this thing probably had a 5% death rate- now THAT was pretty flawed. I find it astonishing that a supposed right-winger is completely freaking out over this "pandemic", but I guess hypochondriacs and zombie TV show fans exist all over the political spectrum.
 
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Well my parents are
You once posted that this thing probably had a 5% death rate- now THAT was pretty flawed. I find it astonishing that a supposed right-winger is completely freaking out over this "pandemic", but I guess hypochondriacs and zombie TV show fans exist all over the political spectrum.

Screw you man. I don’t like zombie shows!
 

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Heh, ok man, yes... if all 16 of you are over 70 and diabetic, then your number is still less accurate than mine would be.

My personal odds of dying to covid are 1 in a million, per that John Hopkins data site I mentioned, and I'm comfortable with that.

Especially considering the measures I take, my personal odds are probably even closer to zero than that. But yes, everyone who wants to take the vaccine should take it, even if irrational fear is the motivating factor, but others shouldn't be forced to take it just to placate those fears.
My risk is higher than yours. Instead of 1 in a million, mine is 1.2 in a million, oh noes! I sure do feel a lot safer after taking the vaccine (which I only did to travel). Although, I would note that the calculator only estimates the risk for the next three weeks, so my chances of dying are actually closer to 10 in a million this year. One in 100,000, oh noes!
 

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Son got 2nd M Thursday & told me Friday that arm hurt like hell.
My right shoulder has been sore ever since I got the shot a couple of weeks ago, but I doubt it's from the shot. I tried to start working out again around that same time and I probably strained a muscle or something.
 

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I have 5 children and want 1 or 2 more honestly so no shot for me as I’m not trying to get sterile.

Myself and my entire family had Covid over the summer and aside from my wife who lost her sense of taste, none of us really noticed.

My 89 year old Grandmother had it and the hospital sent her home after 4 hours.

I know it’s affected others differently tho depending on circumstances (similar to Nora virus or pneumonia, strep, Influenza, Meningitis etc).

Actually my oldest son got Meningitis a couple years ago. That was super scary.

People are definitely able to make their own decisions but anything resembling a forged vaccination or even being shamed into it is absurd and ridiculous considering the incredibly low mortality rate (not counting inflated numbers).
 

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Our son got his 2nd shot of Pfizer today. He was supposed to have gotten it about 3 weeks ago, but got a cut at work that needed some stitches and a tetanus shot, so they put it off. Our son in-law gets his 2nd shot next week, and that will make all of our immediate family fully vaccinated. And yes, it's a bizarre disease. A guy back in my old hometown was a crossfit nut in tip top shape, but nearly died from it, and had a stroke a week or so after he left the hospital. My father in-laws neighbor and his wife caught it from their daughter and son in-law. Three of the 4 had bad flu like symptoms, but recovered at home, while Tommy was hospitalized and dead within two weeks. My sister in-law's husband got it. He has COPD and up until a couple of years ago had been a lifelong smoker. He barely had cold like symptoms, and my SIL, who has MS never tested positive, but was scared out of her mind until he got a negative test. Covid-19 is truly like a box of chocolates.
 

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So......we are supposed to believe that they all of a sudden came up with a vaccine when the common cold cannot be cured. NO THANKS!
You can let them pump that crap into your body if you want but I'll pass. I have a vaccine called an immune system......I'll take my chances with taht.
 

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High school softball teammate (age 18) of GD got 2nd one & was down for a day. GD (16) waiting till season over. She had virus in Jan.
 
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So......we are supposed to believe that they all of a sudden came up with a vaccine when the common cold cannot be cured. NO THANKS!
You can let them pump that crap into your body if you want but I'll pass. I have a vaccine called an immune system......I'll take my chances with taht.

Quit being a moron. There is no “common cold”. There are a bunch of viruses (some are coronaviruses) that cause “common cold” like symptoms. The severity of these is low, so there isn’t a huge benefit of 1) creating a bunch of different vaccines for each type of virus or 2) taking 20 different vaccines for a virus that gives you the sniffles.
 

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Took my first Pfizer at the Krog last Friday.

It took a pandemic, but I had a seat in the Club Level for 30 minutes.

Shoulder was sore two days and I slept like a cat for three days.

Math skills seem to have improved!

And Kroger’s has one concession stand open. I bought Kettle Corn and a pop. No dogs/brats.
 

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My mom got her second dose of Moderna yesterday. A little sore and was tired but that's it. Guy I work for is around 70 and in good shape. Didn't want the vaccine (his decision, it's whatever) and now has COVID. He's doing okay but it's a little frustrating knowing that he could've just gotten the shots a couple months ago.
 
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My mom got her second dose of Moderna yesterday. A little sore and was tired but that's it. Guy I work for is around 70 and in good shape. Didn't want the vaccine (his decision, it's whatever) and now has COVID. He's doing okay but it's a little frustrating knowing that he could've just gotten the shots a couple months ago.
 
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