The only comment of hers that I've seen was when someone asked "has anyone heard [the rumor that Keck is moving to Stillwater]?" and she jokingly responded "noAlyson Schwab laughed at the rumors and basically inferred it was nonsense. We will see.
The only comment of hers that I've seen was when someone asked "has anyone heard [the rumor that Keck is moving to Stillwater]?" and she jokingly responded "noAlyson Schwab laughed at the rumors and basically inferred it was nonsense. We will see.
Alyson Schwab laughed at the rumors and basically inferred it was nonsense. We will see.
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Below is a Google-translated passage from an article about Rin's U20 JOC win. He also was given the Best Athlete Award (the tournament's OW, which includes both freestyle and greco).
The 2025 JOC Junior Olympic Cup U20 All Japan Championships (men only) was held on April 26th at the Yokohama Budokan in Kanagawa Prefecture, where Sakamoto Rin (CWC) , winner of last year's Emperor's Cup All Japan Championships , won the men's freestyle 57kg class, his second victory after winning the 61kg class in 2023. He was also awarded the JOC Cup, which is given to the best athlete in both styles.
It is absurd at how quickly DT flipped the RTC. I can't get over it.
It is incredible how quickly the narrative has changed!It is absurd at how quickly DT flipped the RTC. I can't get over it.
For first time forever, I feel PSU and OSU RTCs are almost on par. With PSU 1a and OSU 1b at worst. This is heading in right direction.
Resources and commitment. 1st part is the harder part.
FIFYCommitment was the bigger problem here and I DON'T understand John’s hesitance.
There are a lot of reason (good and bad) John didn't embrace the RTC model. Not sure laziness is in the top 50.FIFY
It was pure laziness on John's part. And he isn't lazy - so it just became willful negligence at that point.
Hell, his last group of titles came when Gator Wrestling Club was funding the guys in Stillwater. He just didn't believe in guys getting paid to wrestle on the Senior circuit.
There are a lot of reason (good and bad) John didn't embrace the RTC model. Not sure laziness is in the top 50.
The #1 is what PSU (IA, MN etc too) was doing was against NCAA rules (read why OSU was put on probabation, the rules hadn't changed). Many thought the NCAA would at some point enforce the rules. We are now well past that possibility.Name them sir. Please. Name me 50 other reasons. I'll wait.
It was nothing more than John was not going to enter the purview of the NCAA. What was happening at State College (and others) was literally in a grey area that was so dark, at the correct angle could've been viewed as black. So, John wasn't going to take a gamble that could hurt OSU Wrestling.Name them sir. Please. Name me 50 other reasons. I'll wait.
Also, he hates NIL and the portal...not that it had a bearing on the RTC functions. It was NIL before NIL was legal.
I mean you said yourself John is not lazy. John is a lot of things lazy is not one of them.Name them sir. Please. Name me 50 other reasons. I'll wait.
I mean you said yourself John is not lazy. John is a lot of things lazy is not one of them.
As others have pointed out RTCs were a pretty big grey area. Frankly, if the NCAA cared about college wrestling a lot of programs would have gotten into a lot of trouble for the RTC set up.
You can hand wave the concerns but our university has a long history of getting curb stopped by the NCAA for very minor infractions.
Was John right? No. Did it absolutely set our program back decades? Yes. Was he lazy? Come on.
He was woefully behind when it was crystal clear that it HAD to be done. Like Saban, he retired when he could leave the Program on firm footing.This part. That's just laziness and willful negligence if your job is to win titles (which it was).
Saban "hated" that ish as well. But he wasn't going to get caught with his pants down and start losing when it was clear the rules had changed.
John had MANY years where he could have gotten behind an RTC. Those initial fears were 1 or 2 years. And even then, no rules were broken. There were just rumors that college guys were being paid by the RTC after graduating. So yeah, after he realized the NCAA wasn't going to hand down some death penalty, he should have done his job as the Head Coach of Oklahoma State.
He just didn't want to.
Not accurate. He was afraid to do it in the beginning, then, he didn't know how to do it correctly. Once that was apparent, he retired. I agree, he didn't want to play that game...but he wanted to win, OSU to win!Again, not calling John "lazy." But to not put in the effort to create an RTC when the money was clearly there?
He didn't want to. AND he didn't put in the effort to figure it out (since rules was a big concern of his). That's all I'm saying.
Definitely not trying to run down one of the most amazing persons I've ever met in my life. The job became something he didn't really want to do at the level needed (which he admitted and why he recognized DT was the man for the job).
I don't disagree with most of anything here. I will say it is hard for people outside of OSU to understand how scared to death of the NCAA our athletic department can be. Anytime we've had issues with the NCAA they've used a nuke as a punishment.Again, not calling John "lazy." But to not put in the effort to create an RTC when the money was clearly there?
He didn't want to. AND he didn't put in the effort to figure it out (since rules was a big concern of his). That's all I'm saying.
Definitely not trying to run down one of the most amazing persons I've ever met in my life. The job became something he didn't really want to do at the level needed (which he admitted and why he recognized DT was the man for the job).
Also, John was probably, and understandably, more sensitive to possible ncaa punishment than most because of the circumstances that caused him to start coaching when he did.I don't disagree with most of anything here. I will say it is hard for people outside of OSU to understand how scared to death of the NCAA our athletic department can be. Anytime we've had issues with the NCAA they've used a nuke as a punishment.
where were Aaron Brooks and Carter Starocci?For first time forever, I feel PSU and OSU RTCs are almost on par. With PSU 1a and OSU 1b at worst. This is heading in right direction.
No, it shows the exact opposite. It is lazy to micro-manage, it is super difficult to build a staff that allows absence as frequently needed.Question....does not showing up for practice, showing up late for practice, showing up in jeans and boots for practice, constitute lazy?
Pyles alluded that we probably won’t see AB this year, Carter will probably be at WTTs.where were Aaron Brooks and Carter Starocci?
Ok, just curious...sounds legit, lol.No, it shows the exact opposite. It is lazy to micro-manage, it is super difficult to build a staff that allows absence as frequently needed.
Seriously. Just a few years ago they put our basketball program on probation because a former assistant coach did some sketchy things that actually HURT OSU basketball 3 years prior. And other programs got similar charges from the NCAA that season but they did not get probation. Nonsense.I don't disagree with most of anything here. I will say it is hard for people outside of OSU to understand how scared to death of the NCAA our athletic department can be. Anytime we've had issues with the NCAA they've used a nuke as a punishment.
Question....does not showing up for practice, showing up late for practice, showing up in jeans and boots for practice, constitute lazy?
This partAlso, John was probably, and understandably, more sensitive to possible ncaa punishment than most because of the circumstances that caused him to start coaching when he did.
Apparently not. Never once did the NCAA blink at what Cael was doing, so the only conclusion is that it wasn't even close to a violation. I'm happy you guys have a growing RTC but don't rewrite history. Nothing Cael did was wrong, and when other programs followed suit, they did nothing wrong either. John just wasn't in the "building" mode as he got older. It happens in all walks of life. DT was hired to build what John did not have the energy to do. And before I am criticized, I have spent a couple decades building businesses, but at 61, even I am slowing down. Stuff happens in life.What was happening at State College (and others) was literally in a grey area that was so dark, at the correct angle could've been viewed as black.
Because they were asleep at the wheel and decided enforcement of rules was no longer a priority.Apparently not. Never once did the NCAA blink at what Cael was doing ...
You're probably either not thinking it through fully, or you're heavily biased when you can only come up with one conclusion.Apparently not. Never once did the NCAA blink at what Cael was doing, so the only conclusion is that it wasn't even close to a violation.
PSU remembers 2012.If you were not around the program (and OSU in general) in the 90s, you have no understanding of how gun shy the NCAA made OSU athletics over doing anything that might be crossing the lines rule wise. We’ve seen other schools do (and get away with) the same things we received harsh sanctions for. It was not a lack of energy that kept John from building an RTC, but his vow to do everything above board and leave no room for misinterpretation of any rules.
was it ever classified as a violation? Did the NCAA ever investigate? Did other programs join PSU in building an RTC shortly thereafter? Maybe the bias is with you.You're probably either not thinking it through fully, or you're heavily biased when you can only come up with one conclusion.
or OSU missed the boat. It's pretty obvious after 12 years that OSU should have joined the party. You can keep to your story but the reality is that John was winding down and not winding up. That is NOT a criticism but a reality of age.Because they were asleep at the wheel and decided enforcement of rules was no longer a priority.