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Craig Jenkins deserved the Heisman

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slickdawg

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All this **** the CL has been writing and Mullen has been saying about our OL got me to think, what has changed since last year?

Sherrod, no change
Saulsbury, no change
Brignone, no change
Jenkins, change
Lawrence, no change

OL coach, no change

So with the only change being Jenkins graduating, our productivity from that group has falled from the face of the earth.

Dude deserved the Heisman.
 
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slickdawg

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All this **** the CL has been writing and Mullen has been saying about our OL got me to think, what has changed since last year?

Sherrod, no change
Saulsbury, no change
Brignone, no change
Jenkins, change
Lawrence, no change

OL coach, no change

So with the only change being Jenkins graduating, our productivity from that group has falled from the face of the earth.

Dude deserved the Heisman.
 
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Original48

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Sarcastic of course...but 9 straight passes vs. Auburn after we run it down their throats to open the second half and recover the onside kick with their tired defense out there?? Passing it to Patrick Peterson on third and one in LSU territory?? Prove to me we miss Dixon, then start passing.
 
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8dog

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last year regardless of how good Dixon was.
It is possible for units to get worse (see OM D-line) and that's the real fear here.
 
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Shmuley

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I took this as a new sentence since you capitalized the word "Prove."

Prove to me we miss Dixon, then start passing.
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I took that as an opportunity to make a reefer reference.
 
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Coach34

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there is some truth to this...

We ran the zone read twice to the left side...LSU's DE on the right stayed home to spy Ralph...but there was no cutback alley for our RB to slide into to punish LSU for keeping that DE on Ralph...there should have been a hole created because the DE didnt close down the line- but it wasn't because our RG and RT are not getting any push....

So yes, we do miss Jenkins...and Original48 and I have talked about this- we both agree that let's let the RB's fail one time. In 3 games, we have only had 1 series where we went 3 and out when we ran it 3 straight plays. We have had 5-6 three and outs with 3 straight passing plays
 
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RonnyAtmosphere

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...I don't get all the bitching & moaning about Dixon, the OL, etc. when the Dixon-led, Jekins-led team of 2009 began the season 2-4.

Another reason I hope we beat Georgia: At 2-2, the 2010 team will be off to a better start than the much-revered 2009 squad.

Dixon is gone & the absence of Jenkins will not amount to a hill of beans in the long run.

I implore the sixpackspeak.com community to begin dealing in reality, as oppossed totrying to continuously polish the turd that was the 2009 Miss. State football team.
 
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patdog

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He graduated and now we can't run the ball, even though we return 4 OL starters. So yeah, we do miss him.
 
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Maron Whit

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at least the ones who heavily contributed. this is nothing new and will always be this way. those posters (yourself) that said we wouldn't were being dumb. I bet Houston Nutt misses McCluster. This is what building a program in college football is all about.

That doesn't mean we can't be a better team this year.
 
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Original48

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We know we miss Dixon, our opponent knows we miss Dixon...but can't we continue to run the ball if we are effectively running it? Hell, we didn't run Dixon when we had him at the goal line against LSU last year. It just seems like Mullen gets in his own way sometimes with the "inventive" play calling instead of taking what's there.
 
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8dog

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as well as we did last year? No. But we can run. The play by play at LSU shows we were having success. Don't get so caught up in averages. Hell, we had 3rd and 1 against LSU and got no yards. Then we had 4th adn 1 and got a yard. That's an average of .5 yards a carry. But its a success.

We were on the goalline on 3rd and 1 and got in. That's 3 carries for 2yds but its a success.

Go look at all the nice runs we had against LSU. We were also breaking off nice chunks of yardage against AU in the option.

The main problem with the line and backs is the protection/blitz pick up. I've said it all week---right now, the running game is the least of our worries on offense.
 
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patdog

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Alabama's not missing all those defensive players they graduated last year. I thought that with a solid OL, our young RBs would be good enough that we wouldn't miss Dixon all that much. Itwasn't dumb at the time, but the OL appears to be worse than last year and the young RBs not quite as good as I thought, so I was wrong and we do miss Dixon. At least I'm able to admit that I was wrong.
 
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patdog

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Even against Memphis, it was obvious we were struggling in the running game. And Auburn and LSU pretty much stopped it cold. If we were running the ball well at all, we'd have some big plays that would bring the average up. And for the record, taking 2 plays to convert on 3rd & 1 may be a success from a standpoint of getting a 1st down, but it's not a sign that you've got a good running game. We should have never had to try the 4th down play to begin with.

Edit: We had a lot of 3rd & 1 and 1-yard TDs last year too. So if you're going to throw those out this year to raise this year's average, you've got to also thrown them out last year so you're comparing apples to apples. Bottom line is, we're struggling in the running game this year, and that's just a fact. You can look at stats to back that up, or you can just watch the damn games. But we're tied for 10th in the league in yards per rush, and all the other teams have their short yardage successes included in their averages too. That should tell you something.
 
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Coach34

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and we are facing more short-yardage plays so far this year than we did last year....but anyway, to the running game

Yes, we are not creating as many big plays SO FAR- but we are moving the football on the ground. We have got to be more patient this season than we were last season. We didnt fumble in the 1st half vs LSU, nor did we have to punt because of them stuffing the run- we threw INT's...we have to be more methodical this season- so what? Be more methodical...

YPC? With SEC schedules being unbalanced so far, that's not a great stat to look at. I think we could run the ball on San Jose State and Duke too..aGAIN- only 1 forced punt this season when we have run the ball 3 straight plays. That doesnt sound like a team struggling to run the ball.
We simply get impatient and start asking Ralph to do things that arent his strength.

Last year vs Auburn we scored 24- 7 on a punt block and 7 against their scrubs down 42-17 in the 4th quarter
Last year we only scored 15 points against Vandy in our 3rd game last season. 15 points with Tyson Lee scoring from 22 yards out with 3 minutes left in the game.

We have played 2 pretty good defenses and our playcalling has been suspect to say the least. Give Ballard and Ralph 30 combined carries tomorrow and let's see what happens
 
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patdog

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Coach34 said:
In 3 games, we have only had 1 series where we went 3 and out when we ran it 3 straight plays. We have had 5-6 three and outs with 3 straight passing plays
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When we're facing 3rd and 9 because we'vebeen stuffed on 2 straight running plays, we're not going to call that 3rd run so that series gets thrown out of your comparison even though it's a huge fail in the running game. And I'm willing to bet that situation has happened a lot more than the 5-6 times we've gone 3 and out on 3 passing plays.
 
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RonnyAtmosphere

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..but for all of the current Dixon worship on this website, if MSU beats UGA, MSU will actually have a better start to the 2010 season than the 2009.

And even if MSU loses to UGA, MSU will still be on pace to equal the 2009 start.


I get it: Everybody is crestfallen due to the departure of Dixon.


I was crestfallen when NYPD Blue went off the air, but I got the f*ck over it & moved on with my life.
 
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patdog

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To give you an idea how bad we're struggling to run this year, let's throw out the games against the good Auburn and LSU defenses and let's just look at the game against a terrible Memphis defense. And let's also throw out the short yardage situations and just look at 1st and 10 runs. We ran the ball 26 times on 1st and 10 against Memphis. On 17 of those runs we gained 3 yards or less. And that's against MEMPHIS! If that's not struggling to run, I don't know what is.
 
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tenureplan

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Coach34 said:
We simply get impatient and start asking Ralph to do things that arent his strength.
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Seriously though, even when he is running it, he screws it up...I remember two busted plays in the triple option vs LSU due to the QB/FB read.
 
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Coach34

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after 2 straight runs...so, yes- it is a valid comparision.

We are 5th in the SEC on 3rd down conversions- We were 11th last year with Dixon...we are moving the football until we decide to get cute and start winging it- it's that simple. 5th in 3rd down conversions is pretty good- especially at 45%....we are 6th in 1st downs after being near the bottom last year with Dixon

We simply get impatient
 
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markymark.sixpack

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patdog said:
Alabama's not missing all those defensive players they graduated last year. I thought that with a solid OL, our young RBs would be good enough that we wouldn't miss Dixon all that much. Itwasn't dumb at the time, but the OL appears to be worse than last year and the young RBs not quite as good as I thought, so I was wrong and we do miss Dixon. At least I'm able to admit that I was wrong.
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tenureplan

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Hell, even Mike Hunt helped carry the load (couldn't resist) in the second half.
Coach is right about one thing...If we are to have any run game, Ballard needs to be the RB getting the bulk of the carries.
 
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Coach34

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dont throw out what we did against Auburn and LSU

13 of our 28 rushes vs Auburn were for 5 or more yards (I excluded QB sacks)...thats having success on the ground- it can't be denied

why were our first half drives vs LSU stopped?

1st/10/LSU 45- triple left stuffed -1
2nd/11/LSU 46- inside zone- Ballard +10
3rd/1/LSU 36- PA pass- INT by the country's best CB

1st/10/State 43- Incomplete pass
2nd/10/State 43- QB power- Ralph +5
3rd/5/State 48- 5 wide set- motion back in- INT when QB rushed in one second by All-SEC MLB


you can say all you want, deny it all you want- but 8dog, Original48, and I are right when we say running the ball is the least of our problems right now. Tyson Russell has thrown 4 picks in 3 quarters of SEC football- having Ralph throwing alot on 3rd down to keep drives moving because we wasted other downs throwing is not the answer either

It's time to be patient- get real conservative, and run the ball
 
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