Croom and Cutcliffe , the big difference

[thatsbaseball]

some on swan lake are comparing the possibility of us firing Croom to the (webels,plantation owners, blah blah blah) firing Cutcliffe. While there are some analogies that can be made about the firing itself (if it happens) there is no comparison of what will happen to Croom after he is fired to what happened to Cutcliffe. Croom will never set foot on a D1 college football campus again in his life as a head coach or even a coordinator. He`s that bad.

 

[jwbigcreek]

Cut had 5 winning seasons & one losing season. After this year, Croom will have had 1 winning season & 4 winning ones. Hell, maybe we just need to hire Cut away from Duke. I'd take 8-4, 7-5, 7-4, 7-6, 10-3, 4-7 for the rest of my life (and those first 3, Eli either wasn't there or hardly sniffed the field).

 

[thatsbaseball]

and Croom comes up short on every one.

 

[RebelBruiser]

Two problems with your theory. 1) Cutcliffe wouldn't be following a coach that did well enough to leave for greener pastures, thus he would have a rebuilding job on his hands rather than inheriting a team that was already built to win, and 2) the next Manning boy is still roughly 14 years away from college.

Cut is and would be a better coach than what you've got, but he did get a very ideal situation at Ole Miss, inheriting a good football team and being fortunate enough to have a legacy recruit like Eli coming in at QB. He'd have a hard time producing similar results anywhere without similar circumstances.

I do think that you'd get a similar rap in the media compared to what we got, simply because Croom is loved by the media in the same way Cutcliffe was. However, I also agree that you'd have a much stronger position in firing him if you were to do it this off-season.

 

[patdog]

Cut is and would be a better coach than what you've got, but he did get a very ideal situation at Ole Miss, inheriting a good football team and being fortunate enough to have a legacy recruit like Eli coming in at QB. He'd have a hard time producing similar results anywhere without similar circumstances.

Mississippi wasn't even on Eli Manning's radar until you hired Cutcliffe. He was headed to either Texas or Virginia. You don't hire Cutcliffe, you don't get Manning. Simple as that. So don't give me this "Cutcliffe was lucky to have Manning as his QB" ********. Not to mention that Manning wasn't worth a **** but for 2 of the 5 winning seasons Cutcliffe posted anyway.

 

[hatfieldms]

Nobody is saying that he will take the same path as cut afterward. All they are saying is it could end up where he is told to get rid of Woody and he refuses so they are all run off. can you not see that happening?

 

[jwbigcreek]

and Cut didn't. I think with the right recruiting, Cut would be a good coach at MSU. Also, see patdog's points.

 

[beachbumdawg]

Cut had 5 winning seasons & one losing season. After this year, Croom will have had <font color="#3333FF">1 winning season & 4 winning ones</font>. Hell, maybe we just need to hire Cut away from Duke. I'd take 8-4, 7-5, 7-4, 7-6, 10-3, 4-7 for the rest of my life (and those first 3, Eli either wasn't there or hardly sniffed the field).

So Croom has 5 winning seasons......just sayin'

 

[rebelrouseri]

croom's class this year is worlds better than cut's last class (of course, that could change between now and february). </p>

 

[RebelBruiser]

Cut is and would be a better coach than what you've got, but he did get a very ideal situation at Ole Miss, inheriting a good football team and being fortunate enough to have a legacy recruit like Eli coming in at QB. He'd have a hard time producing similar results anywhere without similar circumstances.

Mississippi wasn't even on Eli Manning's radar until you hired Cutcliffe. He was headed to either Texas or Virginia. You don't hire Cutcliffe, you don't get Manning. Simple as that. So don't give me this "Cutcliffe was lucky to have Manning as his QB" ********. Not to mention that Manning wasn't worth a **** but for 2 of the 5 winning seasons Cutcliffe posted anyway.

Cutcliffe landed Eli because it was Eli's dad's alma mater, and it was his brother's coach. It was a set of circumstances that allowed him to land a great QB. Point being, it was a special situation where he was able to land a great QB. He wasn't going to land another great one and failed to land even a serviceable one outside of Eli.

I agree that hiring Cutcliffe was probably one of the main reasons we got Eli, and I have no problem with that, but that was a special situation that wasn't and isn't going to be duplicated any time soon.

You put Cutcliffe in a situation where he isn't handed a stable of talent and one where he doesn't have a Manning waiting in the wings, and you don't see 5 winning seasons in 6 years. By the way, Eli had more TD passes in each of his 3 seasons as a starter than any QB in Ole Miss history, and those 3 seasons are still the top 3 seasons for TD passes. So he had 3 winning seasons with Eli as his starter and two winning seasons with Tubberville's players. He might be able to win elsewhere, but he had some special circumstances helping him out for his time at Ole Miss.

I'm curious. When you say that Eli was only good for 2 of those 5 winning seasons, which one do you consider him to have been bad? His sophomore year he threw 31 TDs and only 9 INTs. His senior year he was 3rd in the Heisman voting. So I can only assume that you're saying that he was bad his junior year, when he still threw for over 3400 yards and 21 TD passes.

 

[Todd4State]

Cutcliffe also had probably the best RB in school history in Deuce McAllister and then had the best QB in school history in Eli.

 

[muddawgs33]

croom's class this year is worlds better than cut's last class (of course, that could change between now and february).</p>

It is changing every week that our coaches are exposed of how stupid they are. Patterson gone. Sounds like Cox is gone. Phillips will be gone. I really would be surprised for us to keep any recruit that has another decent offer some where else. I know we want lose the whole class, but I would bet that we lose a good many of them, unless Croom starts winning. So basically we will lose a good many of our recruits. Thanks Croom!!!

 

[DowntownDawg]

we would be infinitely more justified in firing Croom than ya'll were Cutcliffe. I mean, let's face it. Cut did not deserve to be forced to change his coaching staff after one bad year, considering the seasons he had before that, and considering that he lost the number one overall draft pick. Only the LSU's of the world don't have a bad year after losing the number one overall draft pick. Ya'll fired him because of his lack of recruiting. Your administration started paying attention to stars and recruiting rankings, and it was just too much. Had you given him one more year, you would've gotten a much better coach than Orgeron.

Even though we would be much more justified, we'll take the same amount of heat because of Croom's race and the fact that we are a Mississippi school This is my fear with the situation. We may very well end up with our own version of Eddie O once the national media gets through with us.

 

[patdog]

I didn't remember Eli's soph year being that good (definitely good by typical MSU/UM QB standards, but not as good as it apparently was). Cutcliffe had a good Eli Manning for 3 of his 5 winning seasons.

I did see a post by a Rebel on the Nafoom board a month or 2 ago that exploded the myth that Cutcliffe didn't recruit well, though. Cutcliffe left Orgeron with something like 12 future NFL players (I'm not checking it and it could be complete ******** for all I know, but I do remember seeing the post and thinking that's the complete opposite from the Rebel party line that Cutcliffe left the cupboard bare).

 

[rebelrouseri]

either. As to Cutcliffe, he left some talent on that team and bother he (04) and O (05) should have done much more with what he had (biggest problem being the qb spot in a pro-set system). I'm talking about his last recruiting class (05) which was absolutely pathetic when he got canned. His 04 class wasn't very good either. He had serious health issues and turned into a smoke and mirrors recruiter. The phrase "left the cupboard bare" aside from being annoying and over-used shouldn't really apply to cutcliffe; more like he was in a downward recruiting spiral.