Culture Fix
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Point is, stop bringing up Devaney. It has no barring on the conversation. Apples and oranges. @Tulsa Tom you are ruining this thread. Go away.
You're the one implying that Bob didn't say nice things about Nebraska fans to his players like what Bo did. All I'm asking you is to give us more insight into what BD actually said to his players about Nebraska fans. Also what I'm saying is that I believe the way BP talked about Nebraska fans to his players is much much different than the way BD talked about Nebraska fans to his players. There is a difference, but you're implying that BD spoke poorly of Nebraska fans to his players yet you truly have no real idea what he did or didn't say.
I'm not arguing whether he ever used salty language or not. I'm arguing how salty of language he used about Nebraska fans to his players. Being salty or using salty language doesn't mean being an *******.
I thought the quote was great as well. Doesn't mean he spoke poorly of Nebraska fans to his players.
Don't show up on our board out of nowhere and act like you run it. I've been here for fifteen years and have never seen you bestow your presence on us.
Devaney's actions have tons of bearing on the conversation. He was ticked when he said the fans weren't behind him. They had started a petition against him. The petition showed up in the local Nebraska papers across the state. He had no love for the fans in '68 and a great number of them had no love for him. When you add in the fact that the players were pissed because they were receiving hate mail from the fans concerning them and their coaches, there is no way under heaven these guys felt great about the fans.
Learn a little history before acting like there hasn't ever been a huge divide between the team and fans.
I've been on here as long as you have. Maybe if you'd listen to anyone else you'd get that clue you've been looking for. Cliff Notes for TT: Devaney never instilled a culture that pitted the team against the fans. Never. Stop making crap up. You can't compare the two just because Devaney had a temper.
This has very little to do with Devaney's temper. I've provided player's interviews. I have talked with a Husker on those teams. I have provided published statements from Osborne. I have used Bob's own statements to the press about the fans. I've used public accounts about the actual petition to fire Bob showing up in local newspapers...
...and you think it was just about Devaney's temper?
OK, since I've been here for a while, can I ask you to stop with the Devaney crap or go away?
Devaney is dead. Let it go. The fans here are rabid, they are rabid everywhere. Fan is short for fanatic.
Are you one of those "no beer" preachers? If not, go have a beer a some of those old Huskers you are buddies with and tell yourself how right you are.
Tom Osborne after the infamous Ohio State game comeback. Quote is from the aftermath of the game, long before the audio of Bo was released:
"We realized it (coming back) could happen, but the odds seemed to be slipping away that we would get back in the game," Osborne said. "Then we got that fumble recovery when Lavonte David stripped the ball, followed by a couple of quick touchdowns. All of a sudden, the momentum shifted. The crowd got back into it, and it became a fairly electric environment."
The crowd helped the Huskers keep fighting. "We have great fans, and we need to acknowledge that and commend them for their loyalty," Osborne said, adding that the Huskers are going to need that same fever-pitch level of support as Nebraska competes to win the Legends Division and a chance to play in the first-ever Big Ten Conference Championship Game in Indianapolis"
There are countless other examples of Osborne quotes about the value of, and special nature of, the Nebraska fan base. Why post this? To remind some of you that there's more than one approach to winning. If you don't think the Husker fan base is important to the team, and that we're spoiled brats, you're wrong.
P.S. With the perspective of passing time, the above quote becomes the unholy mother of irony, doesn't it?
"We realized it (coming back) could happen, but the odds seemed to be slipping away that we would get back in the game," Osborne said. "Then we got that fumble recovery when Lavonte David stripped the ball, followed by a couple of quick touchdowns. All of a sudden, the momentum shifted. The crowd got back into it, and it became a fairly electric environment."
The crowd helped the Huskers keep fighting. "We have great fans, and we need to acknowledge that and commend them for their loyalty," Osborne said, adding that the Huskers are going to need that same fever-pitch level of support as Nebraska competes to win the Legends Division and a chance to play in the first-ever Big Ten Conference Championship Game in Indianapolis"
There are countless other examples of Osborne quotes about the value of, and special nature of, the Nebraska fan base. Why post this? To remind some of you that there's more than one approach to winning. If you don't think the Husker fan base is important to the team, and that we're spoiled brats, you're wrong.
P.S. With the perspective of passing time, the above quote becomes the unholy mother of irony, doesn't it?
None of what you've provided proves that BD spoke poorly of Nebraska fan to his players. Yes, it's possible that he did, but again you have provided anything that states as such. Just speculation on your part.
Its nice of Tom to say that about us fans, and don't disagree. But I think anyone who has been to a game outside of Memorial Stadium would agree that many, if not all fan bases are capable of "The crowd got back into it, and it became a fairly electric environment." Or that "The crowd helped the Huskers/Hawks/Buckeyes/Spartans,etc keep fighting."
Its playing to your crowd. Rock on Philly/NY/Boston/Omaha! TO could have equally said with dead accuracy that NU fans were also dead quiet when getting shelled, just like other fan bases as well, but its not particularly flattering.
There's nothing uniquely special cheering for a team when momentum starts to swing or in a big comeback. In fact, most announcers point it out on countless games every weekend during the telecast.
"Osborne said, adding that the Huskers are going to need that same fever-pitch level of support as Nebraska competes to win the Legends Division and a chance to play in the first-ever Big Ten Conference Championship Game in Indianapolis""
I heard Dan McCarney give almost this exact same statement to ISU fans during the Rosenfels/Wallace/JJ Moses years, heck he even came out and gave a modified statement/rah rah speech to the band about their being "critical to the gameday atmosphere".
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Did BP say anything about the fans in his final talk with the players? Or did he mostly say he didn't like Shawn (profanely)? Is it possible he toned it down a bit, like his sideline behavior?
And by the way does this have anything to do with Banker's defense, or Riley's clock management?
And by the way does this have anything to do with Banker's defense, or Riley's clock management?
@Tulsa Tom pulling the same old ****, divert attention away. @ecrouch, you're welcome here whenever you want, don't let a pot stirring troll change that. Plenty of us have your back, guaranteed.
Our safety letting a wide receiver get 5 yards behind him to set up that last TD had little to do with a "coaching decision". You can critique the 3rd down play call but it was TA that threw the incompletion to avoid taking a loss of yardage. "DIRECTLY LED TO" is a poor choice of words. "Contributed to" would maybe better describe the situation. Bottomline is that IF our safety doesn't let that WR behind him, the play call was a moot point. So according to you what other loss was caused by a "coaching decision"?
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Whatever. Keep acting like this is mutiny on the bounty. We have seen this whole us against the world all over the place including in our own history. Guess what happened to all those fans who wanted Devaney fired? Two years later they were back on the bandwagon celebrating Devaneys first national championship.
Winning solves everything.
Winning solves everything.
That isn't #7 for Nebraska is it? It so, can you ask him when he is going to return Rex's Heisman trophy
Why us it so hard to believe that there are players that are loyal to the prior regime that has caused issues in the locker room. Chemistry is huge in the locker room and even you should realize that. It is not hard to understand that when there is a divide, the team may not play well and is part of the reason for them not playing well. Maybe not a direct cause, but definitely not helping things. Like I said in another post, there are a lot of things that are contributing to what is going on.
That isn't #7 for Nebraska is it? It so, can you ask him when he is going to return Rex's Heisman trophy
Don't believe so but do know during my RSS days, he was someone I paid close attention too. He didn't sugarcoat anything, my type of poster.
This is exactly what is going on. MR has to win. He and his team of coaches have to stop the dumb decisions.
In terms of BP's "mind control" of current players, MR does nothing good by vacillating between showing he is the boss by suspending a bunch of players on opening day, and showing Alex Lewis that he is not by leaving him as captain.
By the way, if getting accused of a gang rape only gets you a one game suspension at Oregon State, what did Cethan Carter do to get his multi-game suspension here?
Very interesting article. It is strange that Nebraska has had a harder time getting players to buy in than most other programs do. I know some of that has to do with the toxic culture from Bo...but can't help but think that the underwhelming hire was a big reason too. As someone else pointed out...if the fan base was not completely behind the Riley hire...why would it be surprising that the locker room would be divided also.
As I said earlier...you need to get rid of any players that are causing a divide in the locker room. It is a locker room cancer that spreads. Riley has enough coaching deficiencies to overcome...he cannot afford to lose the locker room.
As I said earlier...you need to get rid of any players that are causing a divide in the locker room. It is a locker room cancer that spreads. Riley has enough coaching deficiencies to overcome...he cannot afford to lose the locker room.