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BigWill

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I actually rely on crime data from Jeff Asher (who aggregates a substantial number of department statistics to produce a national profile), but if you want to argue that crime is anything other than considerably down from 2022, I'm more than happy to see any facts that would dispel this (there aren't). There was a post-Covid crime wave, likely generated by some combination of police retreat post-Floyd and the general chaos Covid/lockdowns unleashed across society. Since 2023, we've seen major improvements in crime, though not every type of crime follows the same pattern (e.g., auto thefts spiked in 2023 and have since dropped considerably).

Btw, there's a really good argument that the only crime worth tracking is homicide (because it almost never goes unreported). Homicide rates plunged in 2023, 2024, and 2025 looks even better.

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"National profile" is another phrase for ESTIMATE or GUESSTIMATE, no offense Jeff.

The largest drop in crime you will see is when Cash Bail is reinstated and incarceration rates go UP !

Staking your thesis on ONE ISSUE is fool's gold !
 

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He should be. He is one of the reasons you can’t believe the accuracy of crime stats. What is fair is the article commenting that yes the homicide rate has dropped, but it’s still the 4th highest in the US. It’s not acceptable that the capital of the country is this messy, car jackings and getting beat up from robbery. There was literally a murder 2 blocks away from where the Dems were protesting against Feds taking over in DC last night.
Like Joey claiming Inflation rates decreased during the BCF years.
 

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This is the argument against whatever the DC police/leaders have been doing. The city is too dangerous, even if improving.

I don't understand why you guys are all so obsessed with denigrating the data. You'd be citing to it if it established the "crime is getting worse" point.

Here's the reality, crime data has done a very nice job tracking the general sentiment on crime in the US. Crime really was horrific from at some point in the 1970s to the mid-1990s, and it was a top shelf political issue much of this era. It really did drop a ton from the mid-1990s to the mid-2010s (hence crime receding as a political issue). And the aftermath of the Ferguson and Floyd rioting really did lead to crime spikes (the first more localized/second more generalized), which is why we are discussing crime today.

But I do think it's clear that we are moving quickly to a point where crime is just not a front burner topic of political discussion, because it's falling dramatically again, likely to under the roughly 2014 lows since we've kept the data.
Tell that to the Mayors AND CITIZENS of DC, LA, NYC, Chicago, Atlanta, et al !
 

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My sister lives in Alexandria, probably a 10 minute drive without traffic to the bridge into DC. She's also pretty close to Maryland.
A crime almost free area , nice area , across the river from the most crime ridden areas.

A 'clue" for you would to have recalled my post that DC PD were paying a BONUS of $1,000 for new recruits to live IN DC !
 

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I don't need law enforcement experience to understand data related to crime reporting. This has nothing to do with the mechanics of policing.

Yes, there are limitations to crime reporting (and the FBI data a few years ago wasn't particularly good, tho it's back in decent shape now). Which is of course why I cite to murder over and over, the data limitations aren't there. AND ... whether murders are increasing or decreasing is a good stand in for most violent crime (not all), particularly shootings, assaults, and even armed robberies (it's less linked to sex crimes and auto-related crimes).

The bottom line is that you and at least one other person argued repeatedly that crime was exploding in 2024 because you wanted Trump to win and crime is/was a good issue for him. But it wasn't true, crime began dropping in 2023 and was plummeting in 2024. It's still plummeting.

That's great, Trump can take all the credit in the world. But the dynamics of why crime spiked and dropped had almost nothing to do with Trump or Biden. And as I've stipulated here ... I prefer Trump's anti-crime agenda to Biden's (it's not close either). It's just that the data clearly indicated whomever won would get to celebrate a decreasing crime rate.
TDS 3.0
 

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#5 isn't relevant to reported crime (and no one goes to the cops to report someone using drugs, it's a "victimless" crime).

But again, we go around and around on this. The stuff I say about crime isn't really a meaningful commentary on drug usage, which may be way up when crime against victims is down. You are speaking on the question of PUBLIC ORDER. People doing drugs on the street is more of an ORDER issue than a crime issue.

You've expressed many valid concerns about the lack of order in Denver. Again, Dallas has more crime than Denver (at least violent crime), but it clearly does not have the public order issues. I rarely see disorder here beyond occasional homeless people.

Yes, I'm just explaining why people feel like crime is up. Where disorder is rampant, people feel like crime is happening all around them.

Local policing and prosecution of criminals is important too. In some areas, criminals are prosecuted and not put back on the streets. In other areas, criminals are repeatedly released and left on the streets to commit more crime. That leads to a different feeling about crime too.

I would imagine there are some issues in states like Illinois, California, and Colorado that most areas in Texas don't have the same concerns about. Just as Texas has some local issues (trafficking, for example) that northern and rural states don't deal with as much.

Violent crime has been decreasing nationally for a while. Now with some federal help, some of the problem areas, that weren't declining as dramatically, are being addressed.
 

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The FIRST night they made about 29 arrests, for murder to assault and DWI.

Confiscated 6 hand guns, a good night.

Matt STILL hasn't been allowed to travel to P-town on the Cape to make arrests of the home invasion crew or to Newark NJ for the car hijacking gang by the Politicians masquerading as Prosecutors in NYC !
 

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This looks like an inspiration to a Springsteen song. :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:


In the NJSP that apprehension would lead to what was called an "electric shock" because of the yellow stripe on uniform pants !

Pre lasers !

Should I save the # 5, I had for lunch yesterday and today, halves from Jersey Mike's
 

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#5 isn't relevant to reported crime (and no one goes to the cops to report someone using drugs, it's a "victimless" crime).

But again, we go around and around on this. The stuff I say about crime isn't really a meaningful commentary on drug usage, which may be way up when crime against victims is down. You are speaking on the question of PUBLIC ORDER. People doing drugs on the street is more of an ORDER issue than a crime issue.

You've expressed many valid concerns about the lack of order in Denver. Again, Dallas has more crime than Denver (at least violent crime), but it clearly does not have the public order issues. I rarely see disorder here beyond occasional homeless people.

Just one small point here...this addresses what I am talking about. In big cities, we look at it this way. No one reports it and people look at as victimless. If a group of kids is smoking weed, and/or a transient is smoking crack in the vicinity of kids in a park in Colby, KS.....someone is absolutely reporting it, and local cops would address it. That still happens in small towns. In big cities, it's just looked at as an unfortunate inconvenience.

Doug has mentioned this in the past. In the cities, we just look at crime as something that you have to live with.

Also impacts crime stats and what they tell us about different places. Minor crimes are still charged and prosecuted in small towns. In big cities, people just look the other way.
 
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DOGE = Joke.
Oh, Politico. A totally unbiased source. What is a joke were your predictions for massive inflation and a bear market.

Trumps tariff plan is working wonders on all fronts. He’s getting great trade deals, brokering peace, bringing in 30B per month, and lastly garnering unbelievable investments in America. It’s an economic game changer and political weapon to further American interests worldwide. Heck, India is paying the price for buying Russian oil.

None of this would have happened with your choice in 2024
 

ILisBest

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Here are specific examples of crime statistics being underreported or inaccurate, drawn from documented cases and reliable sources:

1. **San Diego, CA (2007–2008)**: A KGTV 10News investigation revealed systemic underreporting by the San Diego Police Department (SDPD). Victims and officers reported that crimes like assaults, robberies, and attempted rapes were not documented to keep official numbers low. In 2004, SDPD took reports for only 8% of calls for service, compared to 21% for LAPD and 23% for the San Diego County Sheriff’s Department. Whistleblowers alleged directives to avoid taking reports unless absolutely necessary, with one officer comparing it to “cooking the books.” Victims, like a woman attacked in Mission Valley, had reports promised but never filed.[](https://www.powermentor.org/blog/underreporting-crime-in-the-united-states-20052025-a-20year-investigative-review)

2. **Los Angeles, CA (2014–2015)**: A city audit found that the Los Angeles Police Department misclassified over 14,000 aggravated assaults as minor crimes, underreporting the 2014 aggravated assault count by approximately 23%. This skewed the perception of violent crime trends in the city.[](https://www.powermentor.org/blog/underreporting-crime-in-the-united-states-20052025-a-20year-investigative-review)

3. **Washington, D.C. (2025)**: A Metropolitan Police commander was disciplined for altering crime classifications, including coding overdose deaths as “natural” instead of drug-related to reduce reported crime totals. This contributed to inconsistencies in violent crime data, as noted in a 2023 D.C. Auditor report.[](https://www.powermentor.org/blog/underreporting-crime-in-the-united-states-20052025-a-20year-investigative-review)

4. **Atlanta, GA (2002–2004)**: An internal audit revealed that 3.2% of Uniform Crime Reporting (UCR) Part I crimes were underreported, with some crimes downgraded to lesser categories to artificially lower crime statistics.[](https://www.powermentor.org/blog/underreporting-crime-in-the-united-states-20052025-a-20year-investigative-review)

5. **Milwaukee, WI (2012)**: The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel exposed that hundreds of serious assaults were misclassified as minor incidents, artificially reducing the city’s violent crime statistics.[](https://www.powermentor.org/blog/underreporting-crime-in-the-united-states-20052025-a-20year-investigative-review)

6. **Baltimore, MD (2010)**: The Baltimore Sun reported that police routinely “unfounded” rape cases, marking them as “no crime” without proper investigation, leading to significant underreporting of sexual assault.[](https://www.powermentor.org/blog/underreporting-crime-in-the-united-states-20052025-a-20year-investigative-review)

7. **New Orleans, LA (2014)**: Reports from the City Inspector General and the Department of Justice found that the sex crimes unit misclassified rapes as non-criminal events, leaving many cases uninvestigated and underreported.[](https://www.powermentor.org/blog/underreporting-crime-in-the-united-states-20052025-a-20year-investigative-review)

8. **Austin, TX (2018–2022)**: A ProPublica/Newsy investigation uncovered the overuse of “exceptional clearance” to close sexual assault cases without arrests, inflating clearance rates and underreporting unresolved cases.[](https://www.powermentor.org/blog/underreporting-crime-in-the-united-states-20052025-a-20year-investigative-review)

9. **New York City, NY (2010–2013)**: The Village Voice’s “NYPD Tapes” and internal reviews documented CompStat-driven downgrading of felonies to misdemeanors, such as reclassifying aggravated assaults as minor offenses, to improve crime statistics.[](https://www.powermentor.org/blog/underreporting-crime-in-the-united-states-20052025-a-20year-investigative-review)

10. **FBI NIBRS Transition (2021–2023)**: The FBI’s shift to the National Incident-Based Reporting System (NIBRS) in 2021 led to nearly 40% of U.S. police agencies failing to submit data, creating a national blind spot. This resulted in incomplete and unreliable national crime trends for those years, as reported by the Marshall Project and FBI data.[](https://www.powermentor.org/blog/underreporting-crime-in-the-united-states-20052025-a-20year-investigative-review)[](https://govfacts.org/analysis/us-crime-statistics-what-10-years-of-data-shows/)

11. **National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS) Discrepancies**: The NCVS, conducted by the Bureau of Justice Statistics, consistently shows higher crime rates than FBI UCR data due to unreported crimes. For example, in 2022, only 41.5% of violent crimes and 31.8% of household property crimes were reported to police, with just 21.4% of rape/sexual assaults reported, highlighting a significant “dark figure” of crime.[](https://govfacts.org/analysis/us-crime-statistics-what-10-years-of-data-shows/)

12. **Package Theft in NYC (2019)**: A City Journal article cited a 2019 NYC Department of Transportation report estimating 90,000 packages stolen or lost annually, but these incidents were rarely reflected in official crime statistics due to underreporting by victims and police. These examples illustrate systemic issues like misclassification, unfounding, discouraging reports, and incomplete data submission, all contributing to inaccurate crime statistics. If you’d like, I can dig deeper into any of these cases or search for more recent examples.

I believe the crime rates have probably dropped from their all-time highs the last few years, but it really is anybody's guess how much as numbers have been played with, unreported or underreported.
 

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Oh, Politico. A totally unbiased source. What is a joke were your predictions for massive inflation and a bear market.

Trumps tariff plan is working wonders on all fronts. He’s getting great trade deals, brokering peace, bringing in 30B per month, and lastly garnering unbelievable investments in America. It’s an economic game changer and political weapon to further American interests worldwide. Heck, India is paying the price for buying Russian oil.

None of this would have happened with your choice in 2024
Jeff pops in to post this???:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:

From his article:

Through July, DOGE said it has saved taxpayers $52.8 billion by canceling contracts, but of the $32.7 billion in actual claimed contract savings that POLITICO could verify, DOGE’s savings over that period were closer to $1.4 billion.

The above is literally all of their evidence in the article from anti-Trumpers.

Nice work Jeff!!!:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
 

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Arrests today (8/13) Nassau County PD (Long Island, NY) , FBI, ICE.

3 Illegal Immigrants, 2 are JD's.

2 from Venezuela, 1 from Equator .

14 counts Attempted Murder, 49 Assaults ! Yes 3 little busy bees !

So so-called criminal stats guys, may see why law enforcement sees a big drop in crime with 1,700,000 illegals deported or self deported !
 
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Arrests today (8/13) Nassau County PD (Long Island, NY) , FBI, ICE.

3 Illegal Immigrants, 2 are JD's.

2 from Venezuela, 1 from Equator .

14 counts Attempted Murder, 49 Assaults ! Yes 3 little busy bees !

So so-called criminal stats guys, may see why law enforcement sees a big drop in crime with 1,700,000 illegals deported or self deported !
Probably and stupidly simple, but it’s escaping me at the moment. What are JD’s? Jersey Dick’s? A new competitor to Jersey Mike’s?
 

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DOGE = Joke.

At a minimum, it got a lot of people talking about govt spending. Both at the local and federal levels. There has absolutely been some unnecessary spending cut.

I think the bigger joke is the amount of $$ we spent on non-citizens in recent years, and the layoffs that are resulting from it around the country. Denver has a $250 million shortfall. Hmm, I wonder how that happened.



A lot of people didn't care about the endless spending on non-citizens. That was a joke. Just electing a new President guaranteed a huge amount of $$ in cuts.
 

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DOGE = Joke.
Speaking of jokes, remember when you were talking recession? Good call!

My net worth has peaked by a wide margin as I doubled down on the S&P while the panicans were quoting liberal articles selling the doom and gloom!

If you can stick around with more predictions, I can just do the opposite.

Seriously, thanks bro!
 

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Speaking of jokes, remember when you were talking recession? Good call!

My net worth has peaked by a wide margin as I doubled down on the S&P while the panicans were quoting liberal articles selling the doom and gloom!

If you can stick around with more predictions, I can just do the opposite.

Seriously, thanks bro!
It is not a prediction but a fact. DOGE cuts amounted to less than 1% of the budget. Enjoy the continued explosion of the national debt.
 

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Nothing to see here….
If it is from John Solomon there isn’t any thing to see he is used as by the RW to leak what they want out there as if legit news.
 

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It is not a prediction but a fact. DOGE cuts amounted to less than 1% of the budget. Enjoy the continued explosion of the national debt.
You mean enjoy it like the tariff fueled SURPLUS in June? You also demean a 1 percent cut? Unreal, 1 percent is a great starting point. Does 1 percent less help a mortgage?

Honestly, the problem will always be Congress, not DOGE.

Bottom line is you are an obsessively stupid individual. Inflation near perfect, market booming, trade deals being cemented, and Trump seeking an 8th Peace agreement this Friday in 8 months.

Squicky has Epstein and you have Doge. Your brothers in derangement.
 

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You mean enjoy it like the tariff fueled SURPLUS in June? You also demean a 1 percent cut? Unreal, 1 percent is a great starting point. Does 1 percent less help a mortgage?

Honestly, the problem will always be Congress, not DOGE.

Bottom line is you are an obsessively stupid individual. Inflation near perfect, market booming, trade deals being cemented, and Trump seeking an 8th Peace agreement this Friday in 8 months.

Squicky has Epstein and you have Doge. Your brothers in derangement.
Semi-elite!

*you’re
 
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You mean enjoy it like the tariff fueled SURPLUS in June? You also demean a 1 percent cut? Unreal, 1 percent is a great starting point. Does 1 percent less help a mortgage?

Honestly, the problem will always be Congress, not DOGE.

A 1 percent decrease in say a 6.5% rate would be .065%. That would be pretty meaningless.

MAGA control Congress but they just spend money. Trump runs MAGA but can't reduce spending!
 

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Progressives organizing to thwart federal agents from deporting illegal aliens. There is a legit social war in this country and the left is protecting those who are not US citizens. Cutting off your nose to spite your face.