Damien Williams
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I said that they had 2.8 last year. That's double the production.
So, if Tyler plays, we lose - period. If Williams and Tyler plays, we have a good chance. Amazing!**
I just don;t like the concrete that is filled up to the top of his cleats
He is stuck back there. He can barely even move around successfully in the pocket
its pretty well documented that our offenses is best when have a qb that can at least get out
of the pocket or move efficiently inside of it. damian > tyler for egg bowl
He is stuck back there. He can barely even move around successfully in the pocket
its pretty well documented that our offenses is best when have a qb that can at least get out
of the pocket or move efficiently inside of it. damian > tyler for egg bowl
I think that's a fair assessment. We will likely not win with Tyler alone, unless we have a monster running game from someone. I do think we can win with Tyler getting a large portion of snaps.
i dont envy mullens position to make this call....its not an easy one. i do think that this being his last home game SHOULD have nothing to do with it. what, he is going to play better because of that?, make better decisions?, be more accurate? if so, why wasnt he giving 100% in other games assuming he is giving it all in the eb? he will certainly be more emotional, but that does not mean better....thats all ********. either he is our best option or he isnt. i agree that om would most likely rather have russell. we are a VERY predictable offense when he is taking the snaps. will we exploit that and screen the ever living **** out of om or will we continue to have uninspired playcalling? tr appearing to have a huge target on his back could work in our favor with an overaggressive defense. on the other hand, we havent really used him like that in our gameplan to a great extent, so i doubt we start doing that now. whats the right answer? i dont know....one thing is for sure, our receivers are **** for the most part, so most of the utility of the passing game is self-limiting. if you dont have the horses on the other side of a pass, or even the horses (outside of lewis) that can gain more than 3 inches of separation, whats the point of having a good passer? we arent throwing people open, but we sure as hell are forcing the ball in places it sometimes shouldnt go.
i must admit, i would like to see williams get a fair shake. zone read is our bread and butter....and russell is not respected as a run threat. im leaning towards williams because relf showed us that it doesnt take a deep playbook or a great arm to thunder-stomp om's ***....we can however get cute and turn the ball over with russell trying to force things the way he has done time and time again. if the gameplan with williams isnt working, then is the time to go to russell. thats the way im leaning now anyways. its a tough call, but i think the gameplan should be a steady dose of j rob to establish the run and that is best accomplished by williams in the backfield, not russell.
we may be in a position where we need russell's arm, but based on qb strenghts, i think the right move is williams, but im not totally against russell either. one thing is for damn sure, as soon as tr throws that first questionable pass in the middle of double coverage and we skate away and still retain possession, im having an awfully quick hook if im mullen. its certainly a tough call and one mullen will be criticized for or praised for. in the end, a potential reality is that neither of russell or williams have the right blend of talent or experience to win. lets hope mullen has a proper feel for the pulse of the team...its a huge decision and one that has widespread consequences, both good and bad.
i must admit, i would like to see williams get a fair shake. zone read is our bread and butter....and russell is not respected as a run threat. im leaning towards williams because relf showed us that it doesnt take a deep playbook or a great arm to thunder-stomp om's ***....we can however get cute and turn the ball over with russell trying to force things the way he has done time and time again. if the gameplan with williams isnt working, then is the time to go to russell. thats the way im leaning now anyways. its a tough call, but i think the gameplan should be a steady dose of j rob to establish the run and that is best accomplished by williams in the backfield, not russell.
we may be in a position where we need russell's arm, but based on qb strenghts, i think the right move is williams, but im not totally against russell either. one thing is for damn sure, as soon as tr throws that first questionable pass in the middle of double coverage and we skate away and still retain possession, im having an awfully quick hook if im mullen. its certainly a tough call and one mullen will be criticized for or praised for. in the end, a potential reality is that neither of russell or williams have the right blend of talent or experience to win. lets hope mullen has a proper feel for the pulse of the team...its a huge decision and one that has widespread consequences, both good and bad.
Is it?
Sacks allowed per game:
2013: 1.82
2012: 1.46
Tackles for loss allowed per game:
2013: 6.0
2012: 5.0
Statistically, our OL has gotten worse -- and that is with a QB that gets the ball out MUCH faster than Tyler does...
The OL may have gotten a little better in reality -- but alot of that has come from Dak's threat to run forcing them to play more contain instead of just coming after a QB they do not respect in that regard. Am I the only one that watched how damn well Ole Miss figured out Russell last year as that game went on?
This is an advantage to Tyler over Williams how?
So we couldn't move it AT ALL on the ground last year -- but simply by putting in a different running back -- we're going to run it down their throats?
This can be a detriment just as easily as it can be a positive. What positive reaction have we seen from him under increased pressure and scrutiny against good teams?
It wasn't Wilson's fault that Moncrief burned Banks constantly last year. It certainly wasn't because he was blitzing him...
You know Williams isn't ready based on what? He's never had a chance ---- but you believe the "veteran qb" IS ready, who has had over 20 chances and yet to ever prove he can step up with the bright lights on to lead us to a victory?
It's not his fault that we can't call an offense to highlight his talents -- in spite of us having 5 years to figure it out. That much, I agree with. He does his own share of things wrong -- but he's a good QB -- and would have been great in an offense that fitted him.
But we're supposed to KEEP pounding the square peg in the round hole in spite of this -- with a QB on the bench that fits the offense perfectly?
All you are doing is making my point for me...
So, we don't have receivers that can catch? Ah -- well how does playing Tyler then put us in the best position to win? After all -- his strength is OUR weakness...
Offers from Nebraska and KSU too.
And who are we to sneeze at a Tulane QB? They're going to a bowl this year, and their starter for last season is being primed to replace Drew Brees. Name a MSU QB to even start a preseason game.
And who are we to sneeze at a Tulane QB? They're going to a bowl this year, and their starter for last season is being primed to replace Drew Brees. Name a MSU QB to even start a preseason game.
Did you miss we won for the first time ever in Little Rock on Saturday? What would have made you think that game would have been any different than previous games there?
What does what happened last year or any previous year have to do with a single game? Next year are we going to say we can't beat A&M since we have not beat them since they joined the SEC?
Reality isn't personal. Your perception of reality is personal though. If you would like to offer any evidence to help your case you're more than welcome. But philosophy is okay if you like.**
TR, I mean, the RBs had 30 rushing yards in the game.
Let me remind you that the game was 17-17 at the half. Here's the second half:
| FG | 10:08 | Bryson Rose 41 Yd | 17 | 20 |
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| TD | 06:47 | Donte Moncrief 21 Yd Pass From Bo Wallace (Bryson Rose Kick) | 17 | 27 |
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| TD | 03:40 | Donte Moncrief 16 Yd Pass From Bo Wallace (Bryson Rose Kick) | 17 | 34 |
| FOURTH QUARTER | MSST | MISS | |||
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| TD | 11:44 | Vince Sanders 16 Yd Pass From Bo Wallace (Bryson Rose Kick) | 17 | 41 |
| TD | 00:07 | Chad Bumphis 8 Yd Pass From Dak Prescott (Devon Bell Kick) | 24 | 41 |
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I guess TR wasn't good enough to take the team on his shoulder and overcome a craptastic running game and defense.**
This thread is probably the single largest collection of ignorance on the internet. I should just let it go, but holy crap, I'm not sure where some of you people come from.
Williams is third string for a reason: because he's a true freshman and was not a highly-recruited player anyway. He has never practiced with the first string offense until last week. Based on our usual QB learning curve, he probably knows fewer than ten plays. When he's in the game, we have no checkdown ability. His big run on Saturday was the result of probably the best-blocked play this season. Don't believe me? Watch Jameon, JR and Malcom Johnson in the video below. Against Alabama Williams was clearly not as effective as Russell.
Meanwhile Tyler Russell is statistically the best QB in school history and is a fifth-year senior, on senior day. It's not even a decision, no matter who we're playing.
http://youtu.be/ZqT8VynqaJM?t=1h11m
Williams is third string for a reason: because he's a true freshman and was not a highly-recruited player anyway. He has never practiced with the first string offense until last week. Based on our usual QB learning curve, he probably knows fewer than ten plays. When he's in the game, we have no checkdown ability. His big run on Saturday was the result of probably the best-blocked play this season. Don't believe me? Watch Jameon, JR and Malcom Johnson in the video below. Against Alabama Williams was clearly not as effective as Russell.
Meanwhile Tyler Russell is statistically the best QB in school history and is a fifth-year senior, on senior day. It's not even a decision, no matter who we're playing.
http://youtu.be/ZqT8VynqaJM?t=1h11m
Russell will get a chance in the league somewhere- If this was sarcasm it doesn't really work- maybe I misread.
So which is it? Is it the line or Dak? Is it somebody whose going to to scramble or somebody who's going to get the ball out MUCH faster?
That's how it worked last week. But that was last week and not last year. And I ask you if Tobias not playing and having a RS Frosh at RT made a difference in the running attack.
TR played a "positive" game against Bama. Or was that Dak too?**
Wilson sure wasn't blitzing banks (although I do remember us getting beat by a CB blitz from the boundary and they knew it was coming). But Wallace's quote after the game was that he kept seeing Cover 3 and kept going that direction.
And DW never having the chance makes him ready? He's played sparingly in 3 games now. 20 chances, ey? And our superstar QB has proven "he can step up with the bright lights on to lead us to a victory?" All 5 of them this year? Or was that 5 TOs?
Dude, your crusade against TR is crazy. At least you can feel rewarded if State loses because of TR. You told us so, over and over again.
They are just tee'ing up their reasoning for wanting Mullen fired if we lose Thursday. Seriously. There is no way anyone can objectively take a handful of plays from a true frosh, sprinkled over the course of a few games, and suddenly believe that said player is capable of sustaining success over the course of a full game, on a short week no less, and gives us a better chance to win than the 5th year senior starting qb. We will need Williams to play, for sure, but the rest of this is just garbage. I suspect most of them know it too, but they feel that they need those bullets locked and loaded come Friday in case we don't win.
Anyone who watched the AR game and think that we would have won without TR's arm needs to have their head examined. Damian will be a good QB for us but our best chance for a win against TSUN will require a passing game and I am not sure we can have that with Damian.
So if TR was out there in OT, he would've scored a td no doubt? How many fruitless trips in red zone did TR have sat?
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Not to mention them "pinning their ears back" will kill both the passing and running game.
What game we got left y'all? It's gonna be murder I tell ya', murder for Dansbury.
Not to mention them "pinning their ears back" will kill both the passing and running game.
What game we got left y'all? It's gonna be murder I tell ya', murder for Dansbury.
If Williams is out there the whole game do we make it to OT? I don't think he can make some of throws or decisions Tyler made.
I'm not saying don't play TR, but I want plenty of Williams too. In the red zone, I want Williams for sure
Well we should have won it in regulation. And that was because of Tyler and the offense. He drives it down and gave us a field goal opportunity to secure the win. So I think we should have won it with out Williams legs. He bailed out the kicker in OT. Not Tyler.
Reality isn't personal. Your perception of reality is personal though. If you would like to offer any evidence to help your case you're more than welcome. But philosophy is okay if you like.**
TR, I mean, the RBs had 30 rushing yards in the game.
Let me remind you that the game was 17-17 at the half. Here's the second half:
FG 10:08 Bryson Rose 41 Yd 17 20 TD 06:47 Donte Moncrief 21 Yd Pass From Bo Wallace (Bryson Rose Kick) 17 27 TD 03:40 Donte Moncrief 16 Yd Pass From Bo Wallace (Bryson Rose Kick) 17 34 FOURTH QUARTER MSST MISS TD 11:44 Vince Sanders 16 Yd Pass From Bo Wallace (Bryson Rose Kick) 17 41 TD 00:07 Chad Bumphis 8 Yd Pass From Dak Prescott (Devon Bell Kick) 24 41
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I guess TR wasn't good enough to take the team on his shoulder and overcome a craptastic running game and defense.**
The running game is craptastic against teams with a pulse BECAUSE he's the QB -- and they don't have to respect his ability to run.
Is it his fault? No. It's still Mullen's. That doesn't change the fact.
Anytime a post starts with "collection of ignorance", you guarantee it's got to be picked apart.
Against Alabama, Williams was playing from behind and being forced OUTSIDE of what he does well and into a pure passing game. Comparing those two performances is just as ignorant as comparing Dak to Tyler's performance against OK State.
"Statistically the best QB in school history" is a convenient prop -- since that record he broke has already been passed by FORTY TWO QBs this year with a game left to play in the regular season. Last year, that record was broken by SEVENTY TWO FBS qbs.
Both. How can we claim the line is better when it's giving up more sacks and TFL -- despite having a QB that's "helping" them to a much larger extent?
And you REALLY don't see the folly of comparing Ole Miss to arguably the worst team in the SEC -- who our FRESHMAN beat in overtime?
How many did he put into the end zone?
No part of this makes a bit of sense.
Yeah -- because THAT is what I care about**
You got us**
A true freshman that has played well has proven less than the rs SR who has proven he can't get it done**
We're just wanting to lose the Egg Bowl -- you got it**
We had this SAME DISCUSSION in the offseason about Dak. "But he's not ready...he can't do it...etc" And many of you were too dumb to learn the lessons that one taught us...
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Well we should have won it in regulation. And that was because of Tyler and the offense. He drives it down and gave us a field goal opportunity to secure the win. So I think we should have won it with out Williams legs. He bailed out the kicker in OT. Not Tyler.
I usually hate 2 QB systems, but it makes sense for this game.
Everybody is acting like we can only play 1 guy this whole game. Start Tyler and use Damien as some occasional relief, different looks, and redzone packages. I'm thinking about 65% Tyler, 35% Damien.
Everybody is acting like we can only play 1 guy this whole game. Start Tyler and use Damien as some occasional relief, different looks, and redzone packages. I'm thinking about 65% Tyler, 35% Damien.
1. I said you were firing up the excuses IF we lose. Nowhere did I say any of you WANT us to lose. You know as well as anyone that if Tyler is healthy, he will start and play the majority of the snaps. Ergo, you get to start working on the party-line now by saying we need to play Williams, just in case Tyler plays and we lose.
2. We did NOT have this same discussion in the offseason. In the offseason, we discussed playing a RSo., who has been in the system for 3 full years and fits the offense, over the passing QB who is good but does not fit the system. Comparing Dak this offseason to Williams now is pretty silly, and you know it, but it doesn't fit your talking points.
3. I assume you are insinuating that last year's loss PROVES that Tyler can't beat OM? That's just stupid.
I will eagerly await your selective stat laden response***
You didn't, I was just pointing out that because something happened in years past it has nothing to do with what will happen this year.
Yeah -- that's what I'm doing. Just firing up the excuse wagon** You just want to win the game more than anyone else in the fanbase -- we know -- you've told us already**
Surely, I wouldn't be doing something like putting out there what I -- gasp -- think gives us the best chance to win?
No -- it's really not. Do you REALLY think it takes 5 years to learn to run the read option effectively under Mullen?
Prettymuch -- yes. Ole Miss is a borderline top 25 team. Please point out the last time Russell beat one -- or even had us in position to beat one in the 4th quarter? But his luck is going to magically change against an OM team that hit him harder than any other last year**
Arky game that "we had no chance to win if Williams had QB'ed the whole time" -
Williams - 12 for 85 - avg of 7.08 ypp
Russell - 57 for 403 - avg of 7.07 ypp
So, you don't think OM has the perfect gameplan and blueprint to shut down TR given the second half of last year's game?
If only focusing on this year -- let's look at what's happened there then.
What QBs have given them the most trouble this year?
Franklin - dual threat.
Manziel - dual threat.
Marshall - dual threat.
What QBs have they contained pretty well?
McCoy - pro style.
Mettenberger - pro style.
McCarron - pro style(at least through the air they played him well)
Most rushing yardage given up:
Auburn - dual threat spread
aTm - dual threat spread
Mizzou - dual threat spread
Bama - pro-style that pounds everyone
Most passing yardage given up:
aTm - dual threat spread
Troy - pass-first spread
It seems pretty likely to me that a dual threat gives us the best chance to win. We don't have to pass alot to beat them. Just roll with the Relf read-option gameplan from 09 with Robinson at tailback and run Griffin at fullback some -- and we're in business. Just run a few screens and deep passes to keep them honest. Don't have to complete them -- just show them.
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The fact that you have to take everything I say and turn it into something completely different just to continue the argument is hilarious. It's really just not worth arguing with you on any topic anymore. Bottom line: If Tyler is healthy enough, he will start and play the most snaps. If he is not, then I hope you are correct and Williams is the next coming of Tebow.