Keep in mind that we did step up a notch in competition compared to last year's schedule with playing OSU in the opening game, as opposed to a SWAC school, and trading Tn for South Carolina. I believe OSU had four sacks in that game. I'm not sure and I'm definitely too lazy to look it up.
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Tyler is expected to be out.
Had Tyler never been dinged against OK State -- he would have started all year and gotten the most snaps over Dak. That still wouldn't have made it the right decision.
Williams came in and had a great run aided by JRob blocking. But that one play inflated those numbers. 11 for 60 - avg of 5.45 yyp during regulation is what he had. But honestly I think the argument is moot since it really appears that it is going to be Williams game. I have been trying to remember the last time a 3rd string true freshman won a game on their first start in this league.
Personally, his best game against a ranked opponent was LSU last year. He had a really good game against a very good defense.
Personally, his best game against a ranked opponent was LSU last year. He had a really good game against a very good defense.
"Has played well" = 1 TD all year? Ok. Dude could barely run against Troy and Alcorn and you think he's going to thrash OM? Yeah you're not pumping any agenda at all. In the Relf/Williams comparison, Williams is certainly a better thrower but I have yet to see him run like Relf did.
This is serious ******** argument. The line is worse and it's because we return every starter but one? One that played in less than half the games because he was hurt most of the year. Has Clausell gotten worse? There's been posts on here today that maybe he could compete for all SEC. Has Gabe Jackson gotten worse? Dylan Day? Siddoway and bum wheel from last year? Ben Beckwith/Jamal Clayborne?
And if the trajectory holds to a bowl game, we'll have what 3 or 4 more sacks than last season. That's a hell of a difference.**
******** again. When did I compare TSUN to UK?** But if you would like to make that comparison, I'm glad that our True Frosh QB brought us from behind, put us in a position to win, and had that interception to seal the win.** If JRob doesn't make that block, he beats NOBODY. I think our Frosh QB got less than 2 yards the last 3 or 4 times he ran that designed run.
JRob was the MVP last week. He was the best back @A&M - took it to the house and went straight to the bench. He is a difference maker whether you believe it or not.
He put 1 in the end zone against Bama. Fouled one up. I'm glad that's the all-important number against the BEST team (defense) in the nation? TR played well but we lost. I'm sure if Dak would have played Dak would have put at least 5 in the endzone.**
Out of the 5 wins, please tell me a game that Dak won that TR would not have won. Was it that 21-20 victory over BG? What about that that 28-22 victory over UK? That Dak Attack dominated those teams offensively for four quarters**
Please tell me: what is it that you care about? Telling us a player that's played 20 something snaps all year will miraculously perform better than someone with 5 years experience? A QB that had hit the right playcall on ONE play - against the WORST team in the SEC?** Or is this a 17 you and your underperformance TR - you're just another in a long line of losing MSU QBs?
No i don't think they have the perfect blueprint to shut down Tyler Russell simply due to the second half of last year's game.
Please point me to one game we've won with Dak that we couldn't have won with Tyler. Bowling Green? Alcorn? Kentucky? Troy? Bueller? Bueller?
Ahhh -- broken record copying the last guy's argument. You're a worthy adversary**
So, you are REALLY arguing that the offense hasn't gotten alot better this year under Dak? We played the #49 SOS last year. We're currently at #9 and we're averaging 57 yards/game more this year -- 34 spots higher in the rankings.
It's really convenient for you to make this excuse about 8 starts into Dak's career... Tyler has only had what? 23-24 over 3 seasons?
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How has your hero of a starting QB ended up hurt three times in a single year -- when he stayed upright all season last year?
Yeah -- Tyler would have jammed it home**
Believe it or not? I've only been saying that JRob should be the starter for 24 games now.
Fumble one into the endzone = Josey ready to build a statue. He didn't put a DAMN thing in the endzone against Bama this year in the exact same way he didn't put a DAMN thing into the endzone against them last year. But Dak punched one in.
Out of Russell's 10 victories, please show me one that Dak wouldn't have won?
I think Williams gives us the best chance to win. It's intangible -- but I see it. Be sure to let me know when I'm wrong**
Might want to check your math there Copernicus. How many games did Russell start in 2012? 13. How many this year? 3. That's 16. How many in 2010 & 2011? Certainly not 8. I'm too lazy to go back and see.
You're as good at math as you are at sarcasm.
ETA: Also, you totally avoid the question. How many wins have we gotten under the almighty Dak? The point is not who's better. The point is that the QB isn't the issue. Coaching is the issue.
You're as good at math as you are at sarcasm.
ETA: Also, you totally avoid the question. How many wins have we gotten under the almighty Dak? The point is not who's better. The point is that the QB isn't the issue. Coaching is the issue.
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At least 6 more in 2011.
Means alot coming from the guy that said we basically had no chance to beat Arkansas "statistically".
If that wasn't your argument -- what are you actually arguing with me about then? Are my thoughts on coaching not well-enough-known around here yet?
The fact is -- the offense is much better under Dak than it is under Russell -- something that many realized last year -- and something that it would take a very, very tough slant to still deny right now. Is it Russell's fault? NO. It's just reality. Dak wasn't "ready" in many people's minds until we threw him into the fire either...
I think the Relf-coast offense -- using the 2009 gameplan with Damian gives us a MUCH better shot of beating Ole Miss than they typical, vanilla Tyler gameplan(which has been every Tyler gameplan we've ever had).
We were a TOTAL of 8-14 passing in the 2009 game for 95 yards, 2 tds, and 1 int. We rushed 59 times in that game for 317 yards. This Ole Miss defense is statistically worse than that one was.
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Please name the six games that Tyler Russell started in 2011. If you can do that I'll never post on this board again. Otherwise, shut the 17 up and please run back to sucking 34's whatever you call it.
Also, please show me where I said that we had no statistical shot at beating Arkansas. Again, the difference between what you think you know and what you actually know is astronomical. I said that teams don't do well the week after Bama against in conference opponents. We didn't play well the week after Bama. We were lucky to beat the worst team in the conference, in a dead stadium, in overtime. I predicted we'd lose. We didn't. I was wrong about the result, but not about the principle.
You are as ignorant as you are arrogant.
Also, please show me where I said that we had no statistical shot at beating Arkansas. Again, the difference between what you think you know and what you actually know is astronomical. I said that teams don't do well the week after Bama against in conference opponents. We didn't play well the week after Bama. We were lucky to beat the worst team in the conference, in a dead stadium, in overtime. I predicted we'd lose. We didn't. I was wrong about the result, but not about the principle.
You are as ignorant as you are arrogant.
Uh...didn't you say "162-82...
…that's the combined score the week after we play Bama under Mullen. Get ready to lose to Arkansas." That was the stat you used to predict a loss to Arkansas. The whole argument I had was the fact you never considered our opponent the following week or which teams were actually playing those games. 13 out of 15 games the last 4 years, until our game with Arkansas, pitted a Top 15 team vs an unranked team. That was the deciding factor of those outcomes not the fact that they played Bama the week before. Other than LSU last year it had been the unranked team having to play back to back weeks. It was just a scheduling phenomenon.
…that's the combined score the week after we play Bama under Mullen. Get ready to lose to Arkansas." That was the stat you used to predict a loss to Arkansas. The whole argument I had was the fact you never considered our opponent the following week or which teams were actually playing those games. 13 out of 15 games the last 4 years, until our game with Arkansas, pitted a Top 15 team vs an unranked team. That was the deciding factor of those outcomes not the fact that they played Bama the week before. Other than LSU last year it had been the unranked team having to play back to back weeks. It was just a scheduling phenomenon.
Hilarious.
My bad -- only 4 starts -- and 2 additional games where he took the majority of the snaps.
So, "I was right -- even when I am wrong" huh? You've got alot more in common with Coach that you want to admit.
Thanks for supplying the LULZ. Sound argument as usual on this one cookiemonster**