Dare I call it……PEAKING!!!!!!

[HugoHugo]

@MSU158

I am going to type slowly and clearly so that you can follow along. Below is the verbatim text from your post as the bottom bar that was set by you prior to the tournament:

MSU158: "6 AA’s with 2 Finalists or all 6 in the top 5, would be the bottom bar for a good March."

Ok? So lets break that down:

• 6 AA - Mission accomplished with 7 AA, congratulations
• 2 Finalists - Not accomplished with 1 Finalist, goal already not met

OR

• In lieu of 2 finalists, all 6 AA in the top 5 - Not accomplished with 4 AA in the top 5 (1/2, 3, 5, 5), goal not met

So you tell me - with only 1/3 of the parameters that you set forth being met, how are you now satisfied with the tournament without changing your bottom bar goals? You made the rules, live with them.

 

[PUR158]

@MSU158

I am going to type slowly and clearly so that you can follow along. Below is the verbatim text from your post as the bottom bar that was set by you prior to the tournament:

MSU158: "6 AA’s with 2 Finalists or all 6 in the top 5, would be the bottom bar for a good March."

Ok? So lets break that down:

• 6 AA - Mission accomplished with 7 AA, congratulations
• 2 Finalists - Not accomplished with 1 Finalist, goal already not met

OR

• In lieu of 2 finalists, all 6 AA in the top 5 - Not accomplished with 4 AA in the top 5 (1/2, 3, 5, 5), goal not met

So you tell me - with only 1/3 of the parameters that you set forth not being met, how are you now satisfied with the tournament without changing your bottom bar goals? You made the rules, live with them.

 

[Tiltman]

Hugo you can take over trying to get through to him. He’s got way more time to argue than me and the dude will argue for weeks over one topic. I have a big family, had an uncle just like him that loved to argue and was wrong a lot but would never admit it; nobody could stand the guy. MSU owes everyone that has to deal with him more than once a month an apology for having to know him.

 

[Corby2]

@MSU158 I see you still fighting the fight . It's 2026 people will never admit they were wrong. You were right and most were wrong . Just stop back in a day or two and laugh at them again. This board was trash all year because of the loser mentality of many posters. #winnerswin

 

[Efejle]

You were never a REAL Iowa fan anyway dude: I remember you from "The Mat" over 10 years ago and all you were then, and all you will ever be, is a Penn State Hater. It takes a hell of a lot better than you to be an actual Iowa wrestling fan. You misrepresent the entire Hawk fan base.

 

[Corby2]

You were never a REAL Iowa fan anyway dude: I remember you from "The Mat" over 10 years ago and all you were then, and all you will ever be, is a Penn State Hater. It takes a hell of a lot better than you to be an actual Iowa wrestling fan. You misrepresent the entire Hawk fan base.

I wasn't on the mat 10 years ago . Wrong guy

 

[Upstream123]

@MSU158 I see you still fighting the fight . It's 2026 people will never admit they were wrong. You were right and most were wrong . Just stop back in a day or two and laugh at them again. This board was trash all year because of the loser mentality of many posters. #winnerswin

You use a lot of the same expressions as MSU. Clueless.

 

[Corby2]

You use a lot of the same expressions as MSU. Clueless.

If you think I have enough time to be both me and MSU158 you are insane. I post under my own name

 

[Upstream123]

If you think I have enough time to be both me and MSU158 you are insane. I post under my own name

Sure, Corky.

 

[azchief32]

That's great advice for the rest of you on the opposite side of Corby. You guys made a bad season much worse with he non stop negativity.

This. I'm just waiting for the WeLL wE STIll DIdn't Get 1sT comments. I get it...some fans want Brands gone. But none of them had what happened this weekend on their bingo card. Hell...I didn't either so this isn't an "I told you so" to the Brands haters. Score one for the sunshine pumpers. Considering the losses, the injuries, the drama at 197...this has to be one of the better postseason jobs by Tom and the Staff. Also, shout out to Bobby Telford who may or may not be leaving...all of "his guys" AA'd.

 

[WahlbergTheGreat]

@MSU158 I see you still fighting the fight . It's 2026 people will never admit they were wrong. You were right and most were wrong . Just stop back in a day or two and laugh at them again. This board was trash all year because of the loser mentality of many posters. #winnerswin

Is 4th place (possibly 5th) the new winning around here? 7 AAs is good. 1 finalist is awful. 4th or 5th place as a team is respectable, but same old story around here. How you call that winning is wild.

If anything, the ones who said we should hire Taylor have been proven right and the ones who said he didn’t have enough experience have been humiliated.

 

[HugoHugo]

This. I'm just waiting for the WeLL wE STIll DIdn't Get 1sT comments. I get it...some fans want Brands gone. But none of them had what happened this weekend on their bingo card. Hell...I didn't either so this isn't an "I told you so" to the Brands haters. Score one for the sunshine pumpers. Considering the losses, the injuries, the drama at 197...this has to be one of the better postseason jobs by Tom and the Staff. Also, shout out to Bobby Telford who may or may not be leaving...all of "his guys" AA

I agree with you Chief, but unfortunately MSU doesn't see it that way.

 

[Hawx224]

This. I'm just waiting for the WeLL wE STIll DIdn't Get 1sT comments. I get it...some fans want Brands gone. But none of them had what happened this weekend on their bingo card. Hell...I didn't either so this isn't an "I told you so" to the Brands haters. Score one for the sunshine pumpers. Considering the losses, the injuries, the drama at 197...this has to be one of the better postseason jobs by Tom and the Staff. Also, shout out to Bobby Telford who may or may not be leaving...all of "his guys" AA'd.

It’s all about frame of reference. If you zoom in, really great coaching job and a successful postseason. If you zoom out, the Iowa program is still falling short compared to its main competition and the goals it sets for itself. No reason fans can’t have both perspectives, too many seem to choose only one or the other

 

[MSU158]

@MSU158

I am going to type slowly and clearly so that you can follow along. Below is the verbatim text from your post as the bottom bar that was set by you prior to the tournament:

MSU158: "6 AA’s with 2 Finalists or all 6 in the top 5, would be the bottom bar for a good March."

Ok? So lets break that down:

• 6 AA - Mission accomplished with 7 AA, congratulations
• 2 Finalists - Not accomplished with 1 Finalist, goal already not met

OR

• In lieu of 2 finalists, all 6 AA in the top 5 - Not accomplished with 4 AA in the top 5 (1/2, 3, 5, 5), goal not met

So you tell me - with only 1/3 of the parameters that you set forth being met, how are you now satisfied with the tournament without changing your bottom bar goals? You made the rules, live with them.

It is called incredibly simple math. 7 is more than 6. Once you have more than 6, the other parts mean considerably less. If all 7 took 7th or worse, I could then at least see an argument. But, ONE of the 7 took 7th. The rest were 6th or better with 4 of those 5th or better and one of the 6 medical forfeited.

You can twist it all you want, but that doesn’t matter to me one bit. 1,2,3,4,5,6…..what comes next?

 

[nu2u]

They just had 9 guys make the R12. I don’t care what the team finishes, that is very rare.

That right there - THAT almost perfectly summarizes the basis of your argument.

“I don’t care what the team finishes”

Most Hawkeye fans do care.

 

[MSU158]

It’s all about frame of reference. If you zoom in, really great coaching job and a successful postseason. If you zoom out, the Iowa program is still falling short compared to its main competition and the goals it sets for itself. No reason fans can’t have both perspectives, too many seem to choose only one or the other

That is completely fair. My argument is NOT with the level headed people that still want better than 4th. I have said over and over again that is completely understandable.

My issue has always been the hypocrisy and this year was the ABSOLUTE worst. All the naysayers ignored how incredible Iowa has been in duals for over 15 years, until this year. Once they had a chance they SH*t all over this board, ALL SEASON LONG.

Meanwhile, 9 guys make the R12 and 7 AA. Maybe I take it too personal looking at it from a wrestler’s perspective instead of a fan, but it just was too much for me to not go full nuke on them.

if I lumped someone in I shouldn’t have, I apologize to them. If I bother anyone that wasn’t part of that group because of it, I apologize to them as well.

I just can’t believe how bad this board was all season and can only imagine the sausage fest it would have been if neither Corby or I said anything…

 

[Kwoodhawk]

Why so many get so upset and argue so much with MSU and Corby seems like a lot of wasted energy. Read and move on.

 

[BroncHawk]

Why so many get so upset and argue so much with MSU and Corby seems like a lot of wasted energy. Read and move on.

 

[Jcchawk]

Why so many get so upset and argue so much with MSU and Corby seems like a lot of wasted energy. Read and move on.

Agreed. They really aren't worth it.

 

[Corby2]

Agreed. They really aren't worth it.

Exactly why don't people just hit ignore if they can't stand me it's very simple. I don't know anything anyway they won't be missing anything or will they

 

[MSU158]

That right there - THAT almost perfectly summarizes the basis of your argument.

“I don’t care what the team finishes”

Most Hawkeye fans do care.

So, you care more about the team score than the actual wrestlers. Again, that could be an issue with me approaching this from a wrestler’s perspective instead of a fan’s. I want each guy to achieve as many goals as possible. I KNOW how hard it is to make the R12, let alone AA. Iowa had 9 guys get to the R12. Even though PSU destroyed Iowa they didn’t even have 9 guys do that.

Essentially, with R12 being a tie for 9th, they had 9 top 10 guys this year. In plenty of years this result could have been enough to win the whole thing.

To tell you the truth, even I am now exhausted. I officially have had my “adrenaline dump”. I took on a mantle for people that probably couldn’t give a sh*t less if I did, but I felt I had to.

I hope every single person on that team or directly involved have way thicker skin than I do on this topic!!

 

[Hawkfan1986]

It’s all about frame of reference. If you zoom in, really great coaching job and a successful postseason. If you zoom out, the Iowa program is still falling short compared to its main competition and the goals it sets for itself. No reason fans can’t have both perspectives, too many seem to choose only one or the other

This is basically me to a tee. Great postseason. The regular season gave us no indication that this was going to happen. Credit where it’s deserved.

But I keep going back to the stat, if Penn st doesn’t exist Iowa has 1 additional team championship the past 15 years. Now we are getting forth with a team that out performed their expectations. And the gulf between Iowa and second (not to mention first) seems to be widening. I don’t know how you could look at this and feel comfortable with where Iowa is as a program.

 

[azchief32]

It’s all about frame of reference. If you zoom in, really great coaching job and a successful postseason. If you zoom out, the Iowa program is still falling short compared to its main competition and the goals it sets for itself. No reason fans can’t have both perspectives, too many seem to choose only one or the other

Getting 4th is not what the program or Tom Brands want...that's a given. But damn, we Hawk fans can be are own worst enemy with all the negativity. "Hey great job and all but you still suck." It's day in and day out..."Make coffee, brush teeth, make Captain Obvious post that these aren't the Gable years and uh Fire Brands."

If you had any other AD of a wrestling school to look at this from a 10,000 foot view (zoom out) and asked them if we should fire Brands, they would probably look at you like you are nuts. If it happens, hope she chooses wisely.

Edit cause I just saw this from Kennedy:

 

[Nitlion1986]

Like I said much earlier, even when they accomplish what I said they would, when almost no one on here said it could happen, the Anti-Brands crew won’t change their tune.

Too bad for you that it happened and you will have to deal with me on here, bolstered instead of dejected. Instead of being fans truly enjoying a team that EVERY year does better than well over 90% of all DI teams you can continue to whine and complain.

As a result, I will be much happier than you watching them wrestle!!!

I am happy you guys got a helluva performance to maybe squeeze a 4th place trophy out of the hands of Ohio State.

 

[Mattski]

@MSU158

I am going to type slowly and clearly so that you can follow along. Below is the verbatim text from your post as the bottom bar that was set by you prior to the tournament:

MSU158: "6 AA’s with 2 Finalists or all 6 in the top 5, would be the bottom bar for a good March."

Ok? So lets break that down:

• 6 AA - Mission accomplished with 7 AA, congratulations
• 2 Finalists - Not accomplished with 1 Finalist, goal already not met

OR

• In lieu of 2 finalists, all 6 AA in the top 5 - Not accomplished with 4 AA in the top 5 (1/2, 3, 5, 5), goal not met

So you tell me - with only 1/3 of the parameters that you set forth being met, how are you now satisfied with the tournament without changing your bottom bar goals? You made the rules, live with them.

He calls that PEAKING!!!

 

[Mattski]

It is called incredibly simple math. 7 is more than 6. Once you have more than 6, the other parts mean considerably less. If all 7 took 7th or worse, I could then at least see an argument. But, ONE of the 7 took 7th. The rest were 6th or better with 4 of those 5th or better and one of the 6 medical forfeited.

You can twist it all you want, but that doesn’t matter to me one bit. 1,2,3,4,5,6…..what comes next?

That's a straight up chicken **** response, even for you.
If someone else set the bottom bar where you did and you didn't agree with it, you'd be calling them out big time and you know it. Have a little class and admit they didn't meet your minimums, its black and white.

 

[MSU158]

That's a straight up chicken **** response, even for you.
If someone else set the bottom bar where you did and you didn't agree with it, you'd be calling them out big time and you know it. Have a little class and admit they didn't meet your minimums, its black and white.

You guys can’t be this stupid. Is 7 more than 6? What if they had 10 guys finish 6th. Would I be wrong then too? Instead of just 6AA’s I gave them value. But, that extra 7th place is inarguably worth MORE than turning the 2 sixths into 5ths.

Again, is SEVEN more than SIX? Hate on haters. No one with an impartial brain would be making this argument. There isn’t a coach alive that would think changing two 6th place finishes to 5th is better than getting one more AA. Not a single one. Not even close….

 

[kingstown]

@MSU158 I see you still fighting the fight . It's 2026 people will never admit they were wrong. You were right and most were wrong . Just stop back in a day or two and laugh at them again. This board was trash all year because of the loser mentality of many posters. #winnerswin

#4thiswinning #4reallymeans1 #winningis4losers #winnerswinbygettingfourth

 

[YgTB9n7iNnX3t5$]

Fighting for 4th. This is our reality now?

FFS

it is more about being an All American than a National Champ

 

[Hawkeye54545]

OP is insufferable. Reading this thread reminds me of a Joe's Place thread at the old site.

 

[WahlbergTheGreat]

You guys can’t be this stupid. Is 7 more than 6? What if they had 10 guys finish 6th. Would I be wrong then too? Instead of just 6AA’s I gave them value. But, that extra 7th place is inarguably worth MORE than turning the 2 sixths into 5ths.

Again, is SEVEN more than SIX? Hate on haters. No one with an impartial brain would be making this argument. There isn’t a coach alive that would think changing two 6th place finishes to 5th is better than getting one more AA. Not a single one. Not even close….

In fairness with the way you wrote it, we didn’t meet your proposed minimum thresholds. I do agree I’d rather have our 7 instead of 6 top 5s by just switching the 2 6ths to 5th though.

 

[WahlbergTheGreat]

it is more about being an All American than a National Champ

Apparently it is to some around here. I think I’d rather have 5 top 3s than 7 AAs. If you’re in the top 3, you’re right there. If you’re outside the top 3, you lost 2-3 times and at least once to a non-finalist. Either way, AA is awesome and incredibly difficult so great to have 7 this year. I just want more guys capable of winning the thing.

 

[Grayhair1981]

Last five seasons Iowa has been third second fifth fourth, and fourth with one individual champion. They have been passed by both OSUs and Nebraska. Lost their dual to ISU this year.
And the OP who "isn't an Iowa fan" is flexing. Strange times.

 

[kegan_rivals316901]

Those who called Taylor’s ascension and Iowa’s decline years ago are spot on. DT & Carl are dominating. If you didn’t see it coming, you’re not living in reality. I want their ”peaking” vs our “peaking”.

 

[District 4]

@MSU158 I see you still fighting the fight . It's 2026 people will never admit they were wrong. You were right and most were wrong . Just stop back in a day or two and laugh at them again. This board was trash all year because of the loser mentality of many posters. #winnerswin

U and your buddy obviously can't read the room or recognize what is being argued. I'm a psu fan and i want a better iowa. Its not iowa wrestling unless there are at least 2 or 3 in the finals against psu or others end of story. Apparently you and mrs msu are okay with the mediocrity. Iowa did great in this tournament but not enough to compete for a title can you comprehend that

 

[District 4]

That's a straight up chicken **** response, even for you.
If someone else set the bottom bar where you did and you didn't agree with it, you'd be calling them out big time and you know it. Have a little class and admit they didn't meet your minimums, its black and white.

3 years from now he will be saying the same **** lmfao. He is not a fan of winning he's okay with a participation trophy

 

[BringBackBradBanks]

Is it peaking if Oklahoma State has three freshman national champions?!?

 

[MVPFAN]

Is it peaking if Oklahoma State has three freshman national champions?!?

Taylor has 5 different individual champs in 2 seasons. We have to go back to 2017 to get 5 total and back to 2013 to get 5 different guys. Pathetic

 

[Mattski]

You guys can’t be this stupid. Is 7 more than 6? What if they had 10 guys finish 6th. Would I be wrong then too? Instead of just 6AA’s I gave them value. But, that extra 7th place is inarguably worth MORE than turning the 2 sixths into 5ths.

Again, is SEVEN more than SIX? Hate on haters. No one with an impartial brain would be making this argument. There isn’t a coach alive that would think changing two 6th place finishes to 5th is better than getting one more AA. Not a single one. Not even close….

It's really not hard to just say, "they exceeded one metric and fell short of the others". But that would require a person to not have borderline insanity level of stubbornness.

 

[Steelhead52]

Not a Hawkeye fan but you continue to misrepresent the overwhelming majority of Hawkeye fans and their feelings on this. The jist of which is basically: When the Iowa hawkeyes require a "peak" performance to cling to 4th place there is an issue.Hawkeye fans don't want to be battles for 4th, they want to challenge for a title again. Why that's a bad thing or unrealistic to you is beyond me.

Also, when their version of peaking is one finalist with no champs Hawkeye fans have a right to ask for more.

We all realize that Iowa has fallen behind. Whether it's the Brands haven't kept up or whether its NIL or other things, something has to change. I'm not sure what Cael was referring to but I suspect it's OSU related. He had an interesting post tournament quote that many will find interesting.

“We’re a blessed program. We follow the rules. There’s not a lot of that going on right now. And that’s one of the reasons we can sleep when the wind blows. We train hard and do the right things to the best of our ability and things will work out.”

I do believe that Iowa tries very hard to follow the rules and I suspect that has hurt recruiting. It's the Wild West out there right now.