DARKSIDE RANKING; 2017; part 2

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Boy, life can become difficult with a 2 year old....the DSR must/MUST be a Wednesday thread...if not, how can I hijack feeto's friday upset thread on thurs...

Note the following...not a lot of changes, but maybe some telling ones; further, what i always look for in our rankings is 1, are there tiers? and 2, how tight is the grouping. This week, the grouping, relatively, got significantly tighter. Some times, in these hard to rank weeks, they spread out. I think this means the Panel is very confident about the nucleus of the teams involved. A few more comments at the end...and as always, I'll let panel members defend their own outliers.

8.50 - Flyer: Accidentally left these dudes out of the first draft....dare I say i forgot about them as they are south of interstate 80...my bad flyer. I think we all wanted to see Flyer beat up on a down edwardsville a little more this week.

8.25 - HF: The vikings' PF/PA is 154/27. That's good enough for them to jump previously ranked flyer, who had a somewhat disappointing win vs a now 0-3 Edwardsville. HF now steps into the game of the week and faces the Brook. Brook's PF/PA is 115/37. It's never easy to win at HF with their sell out crowds and loud *** music. A solid win for either team bolts them into the top 5? I think so.

7.67 - LA: Last week LA averaged an 8.33 from the Panel and got a nice boost forward with an impressive win vs MC. If LA continues to roll that way, at some point, in a poll, you have to recognize the Phillips loss as a potential text book upset, where for some reason, the better team lost. For me, LA has hit that stride, but it's understandable that others do not see it that way...yet. Let's see what happens in the Blue.

6.92 - LZ: You really cannot hate on a flat 7.00 ranking for LZ. It's an outstanding ranking. That said, the DSR lost some faith in LZ, despite a blowout win last week against waukegan. A lot of LZ's DS rank will be based on their D...if they keep shutting teams down, and if Bronco proves to be a solid win. Bronco's win over fenwick is a start.

6.75 - Phillips: The bottom line is simple, the DS Panel wanted to see more from Phillips against their last real competition in Simeon. THis will be an interesting rank to follow. Do they continue to fall with LA's rise or do they start to gain as does LA...it's a DS quandary for certain. The Darkside Panel presents - You make the call!

6.42 - Marist: Marist gets rewarded for a shut out 27-0 win vs benet. I think the boost comes from the DS wanting to see Marist;s strength, its defense, dominate a game. We just saw it. Marist gets a tougher challenge this week in MCC, a team known to pull off some crazy upsets. Who remembers the night a few years back when on edgytimleaks.org it came out that MCC was joining the escc....yep, that was a funny night.

5.58 - PR: At first blush, you see PR scored 56 points this week and you are like damn, the offense is back. Then you learn their opponent gave up 37 points to Grant...and you wonder...The board still likes PR. But interesting things are a foot...Naz, Brook, and a few others are about to burst onto the scene...ESL wants back in, what about CG? Barrington, the most overlooked DS team...PR needs to dominate games.

4.0 - NC: A square number after several square wins. NC's given up 28 points this season and the 116 PF through three games aint too shabby. One more week to prepare for Ohio State. I think all of us outside the DVC need to put our NC hats on and start rooting for them to rep. So far...so good. Go redhawk.

3.83 - MS: Damn, NC is creeping in on MSwag. The reason is simple. MS's defense has given up 34, 26, and 14 respectively. As they fall into conference play, they needs some of those old time shutouts to stay ahead of NC...especially with one loss on the record already.

1.00 - lwBeast - Two consecutive weeks at the top spot...HF and brook left to play. They'll hack it or pack it.

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While we've had plenty of teams stay at 1 for a few weeks straight, the gap between LWE and others is frankly unprecedented. It might be because LWE beat the team behind them, can't say we have faced that dilemma this early before.

Gooms did not rank Naz....gooms? Naz guys?

All love...sorry for the delay yall.

 
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I had 17 teams on my DSR radar.

I dropped H-F out. 3-0 yes, but wins are over Michigan City (2-2), Southern Durham (0-4), and Stagg (2-1). No disrespect to Stagg, but I'm not yet sold with H-F and won't be until they battle the Brook or LWE.

I have Naperville Central 6th as of now behind Phillips and Loyola. LA win over Amat (albeit Amat being 0-3) is a better than Nap Central has right now. Phillips was my #4. Great win (LA), good win (Richards), and underrated win (Simeon). You have to look deeper into Simeon's schedule to see why they're 0-3.

My #10 was the biggest surprise, that being Crete. Good loss (LWE), ok win (Brother Rice), and a good win (West Lafayette 3-1).
 
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The Brook is starting to get some love, even from Bones. Interesting...and well-deserved. Guerin makes some interesting points about H-F. This matchup will definitely provide some DSR clarity.

MCHS still not ranking MS. What if they handle Palatine?

Phillips and PR will be tough to gauge from here on out, especially Phillips. Still not sure what to make of LA in Week 1. Maybe Jacobs will challenge PR? Let's see what they do against C-G this week.

LA is going to be tough to gauge as well. The Blue appears to be down.And all those injuries in Week 1 make that Phillips result tough to figure.
 

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And Palatine not even in the discussion? Looking forward to the game tomorrow as we'll know much more...
 

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But u ranked ND only to lose to Naz by 2 scores. As a Naz guy they need to dominate this week and perhaps next vs Benet for me to rank.

They are going to need to win out for me to rank them. Same with my team, before you start crying...
 

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But u ranked ND only to lose to Naz by 2 scores. As a Naz guy they need to dominate this week and perhaps next vs Benet for me to rank.

Naz has only played two games due to a forfeit. There's been a wide range of votes so far. Hell, even Crete has a 10 vote right now. The rankings will stabilize.
 

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Gooms,

I love ya man, I could live with your defense of not ranking Naz had you not ranked ND 10. Additionally, you failed to rank Marist in the top 10, your always welcome to you opinion and I value it, but I need a little more explaination to accept it. How's life in Yonkers?

The voice of reason strikes again :):):):):):)
 

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Good call JChill... the Swag D needs a big game if we are to leave Palatine with a win over the Black Pearl.

I'm looking forward to a very spirited game tonight!

I'll keep my fingers crossed as best I can....

GO HAWKS!
 
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pjjp

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Gooms....it seems the Nazerenes were lying in the weeds, waiting to pounce after your ND ranking last week. :cool:
 

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" If LA continues to roll that way, at some point, in a poll, you have to recognize the Phillips loss as a potential textbook upset, where for some reason, the better team lost." - Really? 8 starters out including two of the huge O line guys and the starting QB back for only four days after being our for five weeks with broken hand.....anybody think Phillips wins that game again? ........
 

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Gooms,

I love ya man, I could live with your defense of not ranking Naz had you not ranked ND 10. Additionally, you failed to rank Marist in the top 10, your always welcome to you opinion and I value it, but I need a little more explaination to accept it. How's life in Yonkers?
I didn't notice that. Gooms obviously is lost in Yonkers. That Marist Defense is nasty. I moved them up to 3 after seeing them.
 

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Gooms,

I love ya man, I could live with your defense of not ranking Naz had you not ranked ND 10. Additionally, you failed to rank Marist in the top 10, your always welcome to you opinion and I value it, but I need a little more explaination to accept it. How's life in Yonkers?

Life in Yonkers is great if I can get a job,...

Ok. Right now Marist to me is better, but not much better than Naz. The panel as you can see agrees on nothing right now other than LWE #1. I promise this will be a little more uniform later on. It always is. I'm not going to lie either. I haven't seen a lot of IL games this year. Hopefully I will do better according to other pundits.
 

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I had to drop Phillips. Going to the last play of the game with a chance to lose against LA missing 8 or 9 starters, and then they won but we're about on the same level as Simeon. Both games the offense looked ehh. They're good clearly, but not top 10, closer to wherever OPRF, Simeon, and DGS would be. They should be fine in 5A though.
 

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Biggest surprises for me...

*MCHS has Maine South at #12 after blowout win over GBW and a close shave against #1 LWE.

*PJJP and USD not giving any love to Loyola with #12 and #13 rankings. Loyola had a lot of starters out for that first game (a big deal at the HS level) IMHO.
 
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Biggest surprises for me...

*MCHS has Maine South at #12 after blowout win over GBW and a close shave against #1 LWE.

*PJJP and USD not giving any love to Loyola with #12 and #13 rankings. Loyola had a lot of starters out for that first game (a big deal at the HS level) IMHO.
Your avatar makes me nauseous every time I look at it! LOL
 
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PJJP,

I had no issue with his ranking ND last week. This week after a loss to Naz, I do. I also don't think Naz should be ranked yet because of the body of work...but Marist is looking pretty good and I'd have a hard time keeping them out. By the way good luck tonight.

Gooms....it seems the Nazerenes were lying in the weeds, waiting to pounce after your ND ranking last week. :cool:
 

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Why isn't HC on anyone's radar? Not a single vote by anyone. Heck, they have the exact same 2-1 record as your consensus #2 school! They suffered a week one loss to arguably the best team in Ohio. Since then, they have handed Willowbrook and OPRF their lone losses.

At 2-1, why is MS a consensus #2? Why is there such a spread between the Hawks and #3? Why are there five spots between MS and LZ? Last week, MS beat up on an 0-3 Fremd at MS. At 3-0, LZ beat Fremd by a pretty similar margin earlier in the season, but they did so at Fremd.

Newt: No love for the Ramblers, but Lyons at #3? I am completely and utterly mystified about that one. Who have the Lions played and how well have they played them to merit such a lofty ranking from you? To be fair, you do get props from me for your Barrington vote.

Dean, why LA at #4? You had the Ramblers at #4 in last week's DSR edition, so it can't be because they were a 24-point victor over your Caravan in beautiful Sachs Stadium last Saturday. I think the Ramblers are deserving of a top 10 nod, but #4 seems a little high at this point. You may address your response to PJJP, USD and newt.

Capnbill, even newt moved Phillips into his top ten after their shutout win over Simeon last week. I think you and gooms need to go out for a few beers and you can explain to him why Phillips is unworthy of being in your top ten, much less a #2 where gooms has had them for the past two weeks.
 
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No HC from me because Ohio beat them pretty good then they struggled with Willowbrook and OP-RF.
 

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Why isn't HC on anyone's radar? Not a single vote by anyone. Heck, they have the exact same 2-1 record as your consensus #2 school! They suffered a week one loss to arguably the best team in Ohio. Since then, they have handed Willowbrook and OPRF their lone losses.

At 2-1, why is MS a consensus #2? Why is there such a spread between the Hawks and #3? Why are there five spots between MS and LZ? Last week, MS beat up on an 0-3 Fremd at MS. At 3-0, LZ beat Fremd by a pretty similar margin earlier in the season, but they did so at Fremd.

Newt: No love for the Ramblers, but Lyons at #3? I am completely and utterly mystified about that one. Who have the Lions played and how well have they played them to merit such a lofty ranking from you? To be fair, you do get props from me for your Barrington vote.

Dean, why LA at #4? You had the Ramblers at #4 in last week's DSR edition, so it can't be because they were a 24-point victor over your Caravan in beautiful Sachs Stadium last Saturday. I think the Ramblers are deserving of a top 10 nod, but #4 seems a little high at this point. You may address your response to PJJP, USD and newt.

Capnbill, even newt moved Phillips into his top ten after their shutout win over Simeon last week. I think you and gooms need to go out for a few beers and you can explain to him why Phillips is unworthy of being in your top ten, much less a #2 where gooms has had them for the past two weeks.
What's the issue with MS at #2?

Seems fair to me based on what we have seen.

im not sure anyone else in 8A attempted to schedule any tougher coming out of the gates
 
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Dean, why LA at #4? You had the Ramblers at #4 in last week's DSR edition, so it can't be because they were a 24-point victor over your Caravan in beautiful Sachs Stadium last Saturday. I think the Ramblers are deserving of a top 10 nod, but #4 seems a little high at this point. You may address your response to PJJP, USD and newt.
I'm having trouble getting a handle on the Ramblers. I've read differing reports regarding the number of players out in Week 1. Their week 2 win was against a team that is now 0-3. And, MC was missing their most explosive offensive player and has been over ranked from the beginning of the year. LA is going to be a tough team to figure out this year, IMO. The Blue does seem a bit down, so I'm not sure how much clarity those conference games are going to provide.
 

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Yet you are all in for NC. They didn't exactly dominate NV (the only team with a winning record on NC's schedule so far), and they certainly haven't played anyone the caliber of St. X.

How badly do you think NC would beat Willowbrook? A: Pretty bad. I believe NC will be very competitive with "Ohio State" next week. They were tied at the half last year with a much inferior team to this one.
 
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BTW under very few circumstances will I put Barrington HF Lyons and HC in unless they go 8 or 9-0. The reason being is at some point you have to win big games and state championships and recently none of the programs have done so. Barrington and the winner of HF/Brook will be in the DSR's at some point too.

As for Phillips not in the top 10,... they beat Loyola (which never has happened), Richards on the road, and Simeon which is the 2nd best team in the Public League. I mean, come on Newt
 

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I'm having trouble getting a handle on the Ramblers. I've read differing reports regarding the number of players out in Week 1. Their week 2 win was against a team that is now 0-3. And, MC was missing their most explosive offensive player and has been over ranked from the beginning of the year. LA is going to be a tough team to figure out this year, IMO. The Blue does seem a bit down, so I'm not sure how much clarity those conference games are going to provide.

If you are having trouble getting a handle on LA, then why rank Phillips at 6? Do you have Phillips ranked as high as you do primarily because of their wins over Richards and Simeon? If you have them ranked #6 primarily because of a skin-of-their-teeth signature win over a shorthanded LA, as I suspect you do, then doesn't it make sense to also give LA at least a 9 or 10 ranking given the closeness of that game and LA's other impressive wins?

Were it not for a great goal line stand by Phillips in the last seconds of that game, LA would have won...despite being very shorthanded. You knew that, right? Sure, you knew the Ramblers were shorthanded, but did you know that LA was inches away from snatching victory from the jaws of defeat in that game?

Bishop Amat started the season as a very highly ranked team in Southern California. http://www.latimes.com/sports/highs...a-sp-prep-top-25-football-20170820-story.html http://www.insidesocal.com/tribprep...no-6-10-week-top-5-unveiled-week-guess-order/ BA lost their first game to Mater Dei, a team that is currently ranked #1 in the nation by USA Today. Then they lost to Loyola in Wilmette. Then they lost last week to JSerra Catholic, a 3-0 team that is currently ranked #8 in the LA area by the LA Times. To dismiss Loyola's win over Bishop Amat as unimpressive because BA is 0-3 is like telling a half truth.

MC was missing their starting QB, and, maybe they were somewhat overrated. BUT, it's not like Loyola just squeaked by the Caravan in that game. If a 24-point margin of victory over MC wasn't enough to move the needle for you on the Ramblers, what would have been enough for you?
 
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Why isn't HC on anyone's radar?

Capnbill, even newt moved Phillips into his top ten after their shutout win over Simeon last week. I think you and gooms need to go out for a few beers and you can explain to him why Phillips is unworthy of being in your top ten, much less a #2 where gooms has had them for the past two weeks.

Sorry but I smell a rat on the Phillips LA game. I smell a conspiracy within the LA coaching staff to pull back on the reigns. Nothing concrete but think coaches wanted a message sent and that message was received. I think LA beats Phillips 29 out of 30 times. 27 out of 30 with the guys they had available.

Simeon and OPRF impress me not which drags down Phillips and HC. I think Brook, Barr and LT all beat Phillips. Just my uninformed opinion.
 

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Sorry but I smell a rat on the Phillips LA game. I smell a conspiracy within the LA coaching staff to pull back on the reigns. Nothing concrete but think coaches wanted a message sent and that message was received. I think LA beats Phillips 29 out of 30 times. 27 out of 30 with the guys they had available.

Not buying it. LA was inches away from winning that Phillips game in the final minute. First and goal from the three with plenty of time for four plays. They tried, and came up short on the very last play of the game.

What you are suggesting is preposterous.
 
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Sorry but I smell a rat on the Phillips LA game. I smell a conspiracy within the LA coaching staff to pull back on the reigns. Nothing concrete but think coaches wanted a message sent and that message was received. I think LA beats Phillips 29 out of 30 times. 27 out of 30 with the guys they had available.

Simeon and OPRF impress me not which drags down Phillips and HC. I think Brook, Barr and LT all beat Phillips. Just my uninformed opinion.[/QUOTE
I thought the same thing....
 

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Why rank Phillips at 6 and keep LA unranked? Were it not for a great goal line stand by Phillips in the last seconds of that game, LA would have won...despite being very shorthanded. You knew that, right? Sure, you knew they were shorthanded, but did you know that LA was inches away from snatching victory from the jaws of defeat in that game?
I have LA right on the cusp...with the Brook, Barrington, Batavia etc. Yes, I was aware of the goal line stand by Phillips.
So, do you have Phillips ranked as high as you do primarily because of their wins over Richards and Simeon? If you have them ranked #6 primarily because of a skin-of-their-teeth signature win over LA, then doesn't it make sense to also give LA at least a 9 or 10 ranking given the closeness of that game and LA's other impressive wins?
I have Phillips ranked #6 partly based on what I would consider their best win (LA...and a good win over Richards) A case can be made that LA should be in the top 10, especially given the extenuating circumstances (missing players) of their one loss. As I said, I have them right on the cusp. Plus, it's early. We still have a relatively small sample size and the difference between teams can be razor thin.
MC was missing their starting QB, and, maybe they were somewhat overrated. BUT, it's not like Loyola just squeaked by the Caravan in that game. If a 24-point margin of victory over MC wasn't enough to move the needle for you on the Ramblers, what would have been enough for you?
Even with the decisive victory, it was not enough for me to vault LA into the top 10 at this time. MC has been decimated by transfers. Even with Thomas, I don't think they are very strong this year. Therefore, in my eyes, it was not as impressive of a victory as some might allege.
 
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Sorry but I smell a rat on the Phillips LA game. I smell a conspiracy within the LA coaching staff to pull back on the reigns. Nothing concrete but think coaches wanted a message sent and that message was received. I think LA beats Phillips 29 out of 30 times. 27 out of 30 with the guys they had available.

Not buying it. LA was inches away from winning that Phillips game in the final minute. First and goal from the three with plenty of time for four plays. They tried, and came up short on the very last play of the game.

What you are suggesting is preposterous.
Preposterous I tell ya!

You can call me CBP and the name would fit.
 

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Biggest surprises for me...

*MCHS has Maine South at #12 after blowout win over GBW and a close shave against #1 LWE.

*PJJP and USD not giving any love to Loyola with #12 and #13 rankings. Loyola had a lot of starters out for that first game (a big deal at the HS level) IMHO.

I had LA #11. The BIshop Amat win doesn't do a lot for me. THey are 0-3 now. Just because they are from out of state doesn't automatically mean it is a quality win. And losing to a 3A team that struggled with an average Simeon hurts. That being said, as they get healthy and continue to notch impressive wins in the Blue, they will clearly move up in my eyes
 

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Is LA done with the Suspensions?

It was suggested they staggered the suspensions over different games for different players to minimize impact?
 

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I have LA right on the cusp...with the Brook, Barrington, Batavia etc. Yes, I was aware of the goal line stand by Phillips.

I have Phillips ranked #6 partly based on what I would consider their best win (LA...and a good win over Richards) A case can be made that LA should be in the top 10, especially given the extenuating circumstances (missing players) of their one loss. As I said, I have them right on the cusp. Plus, it's early. We still have a relatively small sample size and the difference between teams can be razor thin.

Even with the decisive victory, it was not enough for me to vault LA into the top 10 at this time. MC has been decimated by transfers. Even with Thomas, I don't think they are very strong this year. Therefore, in my eyes, it was not as impressive of a victory as some might allege.

Keep following MC (which I am sure you will) and Bishop Amat (which you have to work a little harder to do). If they each go 6-0 or 5-1 for the rest of the regular season, then I think my current position on the Ramblers will be justified later. If either of them struggle, then the same will be true for your position.
 

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I had LA #11. The BIshop Amat win doesn't do a lot for me. THey are 0-3 now. Just because they are from out of state doesn't automatically mean it is a quality win. And losing to a 3A team that struggled with an average Simeon hurts. That being said, as they get healthy and continue to notch impressive wins in the Blue, they will clearly move up in my eyes

The Bishop Amat win is key for me to be as bullish on LA as I am. As I have previously explained, BA at 0-3 is very deceiving.

I am not saying that it is a quality win simply because BA is from out of state. It's a quality win because Bishop Amat is a very highly regarded program.

Speaking of over assigning value to wins against out of state programs, which of H-F's wins over their TWO out of state opponents (one of them 0-4 and the other 2-2) impressed you such that you chose to give the Vikings your #3 ranking this week?

Clearly, those OOS wins must have meant a lot to you because you had the Vikings at #2 in the first DSR ranking (fresh after their 43-6 win against the then 0-3 Southern Durham, NC squad) and dropped them down to #3 after last weekend's 48-0 win over 2-1 Stagg.

 
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