If he isnt there yet, I wouldn't doubt it soon. And that was before this Dartmouth ruling The Mrs. and he are some of the hardiest tailgaters out there and s4he has mention dropping soon due to the parking money grab and their life priorities.
Dartmouth Delivers Potential Serious Blow To NCAA
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RU grad students (TA and GA) have been unionized for a lot longer than 2016. Was on management side of negotiations 20+ years ago.
I get it
My dad is to the point where he’s not proactive - i have to bug him to come now
Personally, im hooked
Everything about the college football experience is magical
The pagebtry
Traditions
Tailgating
The thrill of winning
Roar of the crowd
I don’t know if I could ever give it up
Some do, some dont. Some non revenue sports are not even played in stadiums. You can go to a many mens soccer, girls field hockey, soccer , softball game and they are playing on an open field with no fences.
That is another reason it is so dumb to push the new power conferences on non revenue producing sports. Kids travel thousands of miles to play in front of almost zero fans against a non rival. Non revenue producing sports should maintain the old cross town rivals. It is cheaper for the school, easier for the athlete, and will probably draw MORE fans since both teams fans can attend.
my point was Dartmouth athletes are filing it because it won't grab the attention and expected push-back that would happen if players for Michigan or Texas started this action.
Being for all college players is a known factor if this action becomes a relaity like when Grad Students from Columbia University that were working for that school went union and in the process allowed every grad student, that worked for a University, to become a union member .
I feel Darthmouth is fighting for every college athlets right to join a union and they were picked to do it by those all lacross the college sports world to start the fight because they have a lower athletic profile to the public than other major university athlets and
that would mean less attention paid to this by the general public , so less oppisition comming from them over this issue .
Ivy League programs don't hand out athletic scholerships, so that might be another reason Dartmouth was made the trial balloon .
I think the rationale for picking Dartmouth was different. First, the NLRB's jurisdiction only applies to private employers. Public employers are governed by their own state's law. So Michigan or Texas, both public universities, couldn't have been the test cases. In addition, Dartmouth, unlike Northwestern, is not part of a conference that includes public universities; Northwestern's membership in the Big Ten meant that allowing its athletes to unionize would affect institutions that aren't subject to the NLRB's jurisdiction. So the Dartmouth athletes are the easiest case for allowing unionization.
What this means is that that a decision in favor of Dartmouth doesn't necessarily mean that public university athletes will have the right to organize. That will depend on how state legislatures react. It might even be that a decision in favor of Dartmouth's athletes would be limited to athletes in schools that are in private-only conferences. So we're a long way away from having all college athletes being part of unions.
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Yes, New Jersey recognized the right for TAs to organize long ago. Remember, the NLRB has no jurisdiction over public employers like Rutgers.
No, you have to prove you qualify for need-based. That’s financially, not athletically.
And you think the average college-quality athlete is wealthy enough to afford an Ivy?
same-same
My impression is that the Ivies are very generous with financial aid for all students, not just athletes. They certainly have the money to afford it, and they know their prestige depends at least in part of the excellence of the student body.
Yes, 3 kids in my town going Ivy. All can afford it. Probably spend enough money private coaches to cover 2 years already.
I can't blame them either, but there had to have been a thousand other ways to do this so we didn't end up here. The train is coming down the tracks, and I do not see this ending well for college sports as a whole.
College sports needs a major reinvention. It's become absurd.
I guess that depends on the actual target, right?"Nipped in the butt"???
It's nipped in the bud.
I wonder what is the median income of those families involved? Sure, any average quality athlete can afford Ivy if mommy and daddy are raking in the big bucks.
In other words, they don't want to write a brief brief. That's not a good way to make friends and influence people --especially decision-makers.
You aren't expected to chip in for NFL salaries, but you will be expected to chip in for a new stadium if your local NFL team wants one.
I only have one vote and can't stop shitbags in the .gov from giving away my tax $.
Right or wrong College athletes are taking more control and making sure they are not the ones being used.
Sometimes trying to address what people feel needs to be changed is hard to do on their own without backing and can lead to problems because of speaking out .
But when a group becomes one voice , the threat of being retaliated for bring up concerns is lessened and the complaint has a better chance to be resolved.
Forming a union might not be the best way, but it is a good way to protect those that want to be heard.
We can rant and rave all we want about how the college sports world is changing in front of our eyes, but the truth is, college sports has changed from the college administrators keeping everything under the table so the public only sees what the administrators want them to see to the athletes making sure their rights aren't
kept in that quiet place where they only get the rights college administrators say they have and keep the rest for the school.
Sometimes trying to address what people feel needs to be changed is hard to do on their own without backing and can lead to problems because of speaking out .
But when a group becomes one voice , the threat of being retaliated for bring up concerns is lessened and the complaint has a better chance to be resolved.
Forming a union might not be the best way, but it is a good way to protect those that want to be heard.
We can rant and rave all we want about how the college sports world is changing in front of our eyes, but the truth is, college sports has changed from the college administrators keeping everything under the table so the public only sees what the administrators want them to see to the athletes making sure their rights aren't
kept in that quiet place where they only get the rights college administrators say they have and keep the rest for the school.
They're non unionizing for the hats. They WILL strike. LOL. At least they'll be able to continue their SEIU membership after their eligibility expires.
It might be fun to watch the whole of college athletics fail spectacularly…
Killing the Golden Goose. Seems humanity must relearn all it's lessons every couple of generations.
Yup.
And since my post of a month ago Brown and, I believe, Yale have reinstated SAT/ACT. Standardized testing is coming back to the Ivy League.
Well being a union member helped ex UConn MBB HC Kevin Ollie get what was owed to him After he was fired as the UConn HC.
On his own without a binding union contract Kevin might haven't been able to make UConn pay up..
>an arbitrator ruled that UConn was obligated to pay former men’s basketball coach Kevin Ollie more than $11 million, in part because his status as a member of the school’s faculty union protected him from being fired without “just cause.”<
Does this mean the players could go to arbitration over a C+ because they think there is no "just cause" for a grade that low?
No, just as TAs (who are members of a union, the AAUP-AFT) can't go to arbitration about grades.
I understand why unionization upsets many long-time college sports fans -- it's such a change in how we've traditionally thought of college sports. The problem is that college athletics makes tons of money and everybody gets it but the athletes who generate it. Unionization isn't a great solution, but it has one advantage -- a collective bargaining agreement can result in salary caps and other limits that would otherwise be barred by the antitrust laws. Congress doesn't seem likely to act to create an antitrust exemption for college sports and so unionization may be the answer because it can result in limits that would save college sports.