Dave Rader directed the #79, #94, #67, #65 offenses at Bama.

[MedDawg]

nm

 

[dawgatUSM]

He's going to be nothing more than a position coach. They didn't want to make a big splash with this hire just because Nutt wants someone he can keep his thumb on. I don't think he will make OM better, but I also don't think he'll make them much worse than they already will be.

 

[RebelBruiser]

Seriously, all our OC is going to need to do is add a wrinkle or two, if he can, and coach QBs.

ETA: I actually don't think Rader called the plays at Bama either. We're not going to hire someone to call the plays or really be in charge of the offense.

 

[SamuelTColeridge]

You might remember that song from Styx......"I've got too much (clap,clap) time on my hands". Seriously, did you really take the time to research that??????? Why in the hell do you care anyway?</p>

 

[spacecataz]

Why in the hell do you care anyway?</p>

Why in the hell do you even care what we're discussing over here?

 

[msumhsfan]

When their offense is terrible next year it nutts fault, and the wrinkle or two didnt work either

 

[RebelBruiser]

it'll be because we only have a couple seniors in the 2 deep.

We're going to be young next year. Nutt calls the plays, always has. He uses Markuson and his OC/QB coach to help with game planning and scheming, but he makes the final calls all around.

If our offense does worse than the personnel should do, it's because of Nutt, yes. So far though, in his career he's managed to put solid offenses on the field most years regardless of what strengths he has in his personnel. He's not a great offensive mind, but he's definitely solid, and he'll continue to put at least a decent product on the field offensively, because he does a good job of finding his strength and riding it.

 

[79dawg4life]

McCluster, and offensive line, and a head coach that does not know the word "throw the football". I can now understand why Snead left to get drafted. He must have known his only coach ... Kent Austin... was going to get out of the town that he played and coached. If I was in the umiss position, I would rather for Nutt to be gone than Austin. Nutt will start down that downward death spiral without all of Orgerons recruits. He had a fairly easy schedule last year. You have a fairly easy schedule on paper next year. BUT, if you QBs don't develop or have an offensive line that can pass protect, rebel land will be upset at Nutt and all the rah rah hype that only works for a period of time.

Kent Austin actually left at a great time so that he does not get caught up in the Nutt Death Spiral.

 

[HamilReb]

"Nutt Death Spiral. "

kudos

 

[anon1751035439]

Other than bias, I just don't get it.

He was not a loser at Arkansas. For the most part, he won there. MSU should know that better than any other fanbase. His recruiting at OM is turning out to be as good as it was there, if not better. When hired, everyone here said he was a lousy recruiter based on what he did in Arkansas. Well, it appears to me that he isn't a lousy recruiter. He is definitely out-recruiting Petrino. For an SEC team, Arkansas is kind of difficult to recruit kids to. They are far removed from large pockets of talent like Alabama, Georgia, Florida. Sure they can get some leftovers in Texas and whatever Arkansas has in a given year, but that's about it. Petrino is finding out how difficult it is.

I just don't see the rationale to doubt his ability to coach. More times than not, he fields a competitive team.

 

[RebelBruiser]

1) We throw the football more than you do, and that's even looking back at Mullen's previous years at Florida.

2) The Orgeron's recruits argument is weak. Nutt inherited 45 Orgeron signees in his first season, hardly a stacked deck. There was some very good talent in that mix, but looking at Nutt's history, he brings in talent. If you just look at his final 7 years at Arkansas (eliminating the first 3 and focusing on the teams with his own players), he took his teams to 5 bowl bids (3 of which were NYD bowl bids) and 2 SEC title game appearances. That's not all that bad for a guy that apparently can't recruit.

And on top of that, his last two recruiting classes (including this one), at least on paper, look to be as good as Orgeron's best class looked. And his last two recruiting classes, look better on paper than the ones he was signing and winning with at Arkansas. It's a very uninformed argument to say Nutt won't win with his own recruits. I'd love to hear you try to support your argument with facts you believe support it.

Orgeron signed one good class in 3 seasons at Ole Miss. The other two had only a handful of quality players and such high attrition rates that they would normally cripple a program, if they didn't happen to be book ends for one very solid class that saved them. Nutt's recruiting thus far, has at worst been on par with Orgeron's, and after he signs this class, his first 3 classes will look better than the 3 Orgeron signed. Bottom line, you've spent too much time listening to Arkansas fans that conveniently only remember Nutt's two bad years at Arkansas.

 

[patdog]

But there's no way you can possibly spin it that replacing Kent Austin with Dave Rader isn't a big downgrade for you.

 

[patdog]

2) The Orgeron's recruits argument is weak. Nutt inherited 45 Orgeron signees in his first season, hardly a stacked deck.

It's about the quality. There's no way you can argue that Orgeron didn't leave you with more quality talent than you've had since the 1960s.

 

[RebelBruiser]

2) The Orgeron's recruits argument is weak. Nutt inherited 45 Orgeron signees in his first season, hardly a stacked deck.

It's about the quality. There's no way you can argue that Orgeron didn't leave you with more quality talent than you've had since the 1960s.

He left us with some good quality, and I acknowledged that. He did leave holes though and depth issues. Our only tailback was Cordera Eason, who sucked. Our only scholarship corners were Dustin Mouzon and Cassius Vaughn. We had to shift players from offense to defense to fill out a 2 deep there. He left us with 6 offensive linemen, all juniors and seniors, with guys like Mark Jean-Louis, Bradley Sowell, and Rishaw Johnson planned to fill in behind them. Yes, he left us with Snead, but the only other QB on our roster was Billy Tapp, who was playing TE at the time Orgeron was fired.

He left us stacked on the D-line, and he left us with as good a group of WRs as we've had. There was a good group of quality players, but the lack of numbers showed up in a lot of areas that had to be addressed immediately.

Back to the point though, the argument that Nutt can't recruit or win with his own players is a bogus argument fabricated by the lunatic fringe over in Fayetteville.

 

[RebelBruiser]

It would definitely be a downgrade in my eyes, if that's who we hire, but my point is that it's not as significant as most coordinator positions. It's more of a position coach spot than a coordinator position.

 

[patdog]

He left you with 2 1st round picks last yearplus Wallace who was thetop rookie WR in the NFL this year. He left you with a QB who was a contender for the Heisman Trophy preseason this year. He left you with a receiver who led the SEC in both receptions and yards this year and is tearing it up at the Senior Bowl. He left you with McCluster who looks to be a 2nd round pick this year.

 

[Mean Machine say what]

they were originally recruited by him and would have signed with him. EO technically held and signed them...but anyway.

 

[patdog]

But he somehow left Orgeron with several NFL players PLUS now he's left Nutt with some NFL players too?

 

[RebelBruiser]

Actually, Peria Jerry didn't count as one of the 45 Orgeron left. He was a Cutcliffe signee originally, as were Maurice Miller, Darryl Harris, and Jamarca Sanford. Wallace and Oher were Orgeron signees. He left us with Hodge and McCluster too, along with the enigma (Hardy).

He did leave us with a solid group of very good players. My point is, he didn't leave a stacked team, and he completely ignored or undersigned a few important areas. Again, he had one very good recruiting class, and his other two classes gave us a handful of decent or even very good players, but those classes (2005 and 2007), due to their attrition, would've been program killers had they not been bookends for one of the better classes (2006) we've had in recent history.

The 2006 class gave us Tillman, Lockett, Hardy, McCluster, Hodge, John Jerry, Kendrick Lewis, Cassius Vaughn, Allen Walker, Cornell, Daverin Geralds, Eason, and Summers. That was a very good class.

So far, I prefer Nutt's recruiting to Orgeron's to this point, because overall Nutt's classes still have the majority of their players on the roster, and we should have quality experience AND depth in another year or two.

 

[Mean Machine say what]

you can look around and try to find why he was fired and give us a rundown if you want. It was 6 years ago now so I don't really care. I just saw your post about those guys...thought I might chime in...yay me.

EDIT TO ADD: not sure why this showed up here but I don't care to move it. It is supposed to be under patdog.