David Turner Interview

[GBryne4Heisman]

on dawgsbite doesn't sound very good.

I was pretty excited about Turner after the first year, but now the jury is out IMO. Our DL play last year was pretty bad, especially rushing the passer.

We'll see if the group can make some improvements. I'm sure having McPhee is gonna help.

 

[GBryne4Heisman]

on dawgsbite doesn't sound very good.

I was pretty excited about Turner after the first year, but now the jury is out IMO. Our DL play last year was pretty bad, especially rushing the passer.

We'll see if the group can make some improvements. I'm sure having McPhee is gonna help.

 

[AzzurriDawg4]

will be moving inside. Including McPhee and F. Cox. Newsflash, it might be good to have a big athletic defensive end too. LSU has been doing it for years.

Yes, I know that we are having to make up for what we don't have on the interior, but still. I prefer to get my pressure from the outside and have two fat space eaters in the middle. Ok, Love and Williams may not be able to rush the quarterback, but can they just hold the LOS? They should be able to. Particularly, when you are facing a mobile quarterback, pressure up the middle means nothing but a jailbreak.

I still feel like we are an excellent candidate for the 3-4. We are always going to be able to recruit more linebackers than lineman. It is just the way it is. We are always going to have "tweeners" that arent quite athletic enough to play end or not quite big enough to play inside - see Devin Jones, Sean Ferguson, Shane McCardell, Nick Bell, KJ Wright, etc. All of those guys would be prototype OLBs in a 3-4. White and Chaney in the middle, Wright and Ferguson/McCardell on the outside - McPhee, Love, Burns on the line. You are more athletic, faster and better tailored to our talent. Especially when you have two hosses like White and Chaney in the middle to plug the inside running game. And how many teams really run a focused power inside running scheme anymore? MAYBE, LSU, Auburn, UGA? The 3-4 is definitely better against option/spread schemes, I would think. Tell me what I am missing.

 

[Todd4State]

I'd actually like to see us run a defense similar to what Joe Lee ran, except with a little more zone coverage. Basically, blitz people from everywhere and try to confuse people.

 

[msudawg12]

*consistent top 10 defense in nation*</p>

 

[Shmuley]

and we AREN'T in a base 4-3.

 

[OMlawdog]

in pass coverage. Im sure KJ Wright could cover in space, but as to McCardell and Ferguson, I think matched up against HB or TE's would be a problem.

Also, in a 3-4, you need 6-4, 280 type DE types like Tyson Jackson. Also you need two solid Nose guards that can truly eat up space and keep the lineman off your ILB. If I remember correctly also, you need one of your ILB to be basically in the 245-255 range, with his job to take on the OL, while your other ILB can be freed up to make plays.

I think the problem with the 3-4 is finding players to play the DE spots, because those guys are very hard to find and sign.

I don't know why in the world Fletcher Cox would be moving inside, I thought for sure he would be at DE with his speed. Its possible he got Boyd and Cox mixed up. I have been hearing that Cox is a DE for sure at the next level, I know our coaches thought he would be great there, and we really wanted the guy.

 

[studentdawg87]

The main reason we have to slide guys inside is because we only have two or three true DTs on the team, and they aren't even worth a **** with the exception of Love. Croom thought he could bulk every 250lb guy we signed up to 290lbs and it didn't work.

I know we won't, but I would like to see us sign James Carmon and two hs DTs this year. Hopefully Boyd pans out.

 

[AzzurriDawg4]

True DT's are the hardest guys for us to land. I think Cox and McPhee would make fine ends in a 3-4. Shmuley, I know we are going to run a 4-3, this is just wishful thinking. I understand the other guy's point about needing large DE's in a 3-4, but I think we can do that.

As for the OLB's, you have a lot of NFL teams that run pure pass-rushing OLBs and use the zone to make up for any coverage deficiencies. Look at San Diego. Do you think Merriman's forte is coverage? Sure he is a freak, but that guy is in the game for one reason, to kill QBs. And, yes it is best to have big MLBs and monster NTs, but it is all relative, we are talking about college - not the pros, and it all boils down to whether it would work better than what we are running right now (Not if it would work as good as what LSU or the Steelers are running).

WARDLAW, if you are reading this, I would love to see something about this asked to Mullen or Torbush. Specifically, it seems to me like the 3-4 could be to the defense what the Spread is to the offense. A more adaptable scheme better tailored to the type of talent we get here.

As for the remark about Joe Lee's defense. I could do without that. What I am talking about is not really about blitzing. Just getting the best players on the field. Outside of 3rd and long situations, we dont do ourselves any favors by running Dog safetys all game when we are talking about putting Bonner and [whatever other safety backup] in the game at the expense of White or Wright.

 

[DynamicDawg]

I think the combination of Templeton Hardy and Josh Boyd would be good DT backups to Kyle Love and Pernell McPhee. Inserting Hardy into the DT rotation would free up McPhee and Cox to play outside more and make the whole D-line more effective.

The problem is that we don't have OL depth and one of our better DTs is languishing on the offensive line. Which forces us to put players like McPhee and Cox on the inside.

Lack of depth on the OL has caused players on both the OL and DL to have to play out of position.

 

[8dog]

He likes hardy's potential on the D-Line.

Regardless of what we think of Croom, this is now 2 staffs in a row that have hardy on the O-line. I think he was just bigger than people in high school and that's why he was so good on the D-Line.

 

[OMlawdog]

He was one of those guys who Gene did a story on at least once a week, just like Chaz Ramsey, until he committed to AU, but I did think he would play much better on the OL than the DL.

I figure with Boyd and Cox, I don't see a reason to keep trying to fit Hardy on the D-line.

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[bonedaddy401]

Watching him this spring he was unblockable. I know spring hype is typically bull **** but his dominance was the most obvious mismatch on the field. I just hope out interior O'line isn't that bad.

On a side note I look for Trevor Stigers to surprise some people this year.....

 

[Todd4State]

He played a pretty good bit last year at DT as a Fr. and did OK. I think having a d-line of Cox, Boyd, Jackson, and Stigars could be pretty stout in two-three years.

If we ran a 3-4, we could rotate Boyd and Jackson.

And what about the plethora of DE's Croom recruited? Surely a couple of them could slide over to the OLB positions.

I like Hardy on the o-line myself as well. He could be a decent guard for us. Seems to me like we need tackles more than anything as far as the future goes.

 

[OMlawdog]

Jackson I think played in 5 games, and only had 1 tackle and 1 assist.

Im just glad that Coach O wasn't the only coach that did this to an in state school.

Its so freaking stupid, unfortunately too many coaches do it to appease the player.

 

[GBryne4Heisman]

is with DTs.. We havent had solid DTs since probably Robinson and Johnson. I honestly want Boyd and Cox to redshirt.. I highly doubt both do, I'd say its 50/50 on of them does. Its disappointing for me to see Turner talk about guys not giving great effort all the time. That combined with marginal talentcan make for a really long year..

 

[rugbdawg]

has no idea what he is doing. Does a great job wasting our D-line talent. We never try to do anything special scheme wise up front. Our technique has gotten progressively worse since he has been here as well.</p>

 

[Irondawg]

rug - if that's the case then I think he'll be gone next year. I think Torbrush will recognize it since he's been around a while. I'm also a big fan of having position coaches having played that position at a high level - I just think they know all the ins and outs of the position better and relate to the player better. Only so much you can look from coaching clinics and stuff in my opinion.

 

[8dog]

a D-Line consultant in the spring.

No idea if he is as brilliant as the option consultant Croom brought in. That guy was money.

 

[Todd4State]

a D-Line consultant in the spring.

No idea if he is as brilliant as the option consultant Croom brought in. That guy was money.

It's kind of hard to say the guy sucked when we never ran any option. Maybe the guys stuff was crap, but considering Croom and McCorvey's track records as offensive gurus, I'm going to take the option guys side.

 

[8dog]

to prepare for Georgia Tech.

 

[dawgstudent]

should not have been responsible for both the QB and RB on the option? I have been fooled.

 

[8dog]

but it seems like it was Pegues that couldn't get off his block all game which meant we never had anyone on the pitch man. Just my vague memory.

 

[lawdawg02]

We never try to do anything special scheme wise up front.

i thought that was part of our EJ-Cheese defensive philosophy, which was to play zone and rush only 4 straight up. the next stunt we run will be the first of the last few years. now as far as technique - that should be on turner.

 

[Bodaski]

Joe Lee's stuff seems to get figured out rather quickly by the other teams. If you don't have lock down corners and hellacious DT's you are vunerable as hell in his schemes. Go back when we were good in 98-99. We had Smoot, Bean Sears, Davis and several others upfront that could control the LOS..

 

[Todd4State]

Joe Lee's stuff seems to get figured out rather quickly by the other teams. If you don't have lock down corners and hellacious DT's you are
vunerable as hell in his schemes. Go back when we were good in 98-99. We had Smoot, Bean Sears, Davis and several others upfront that could control the LOS..

I was mainly talking about his creativity, like having 10 DB's go up against Tim Couch and stuff like that. I don't know why Joe Lee made his defense so vanilla at the end. But I like the blitzing people from all over the place from unconventional positions. I would have liked for him to mix some zone coverages in from time to time so that we would have some safeties back to help the corners if we didn't have guys like Smoot and Bean and not have the corners exposed so much.