Dawgbreeze and his cronies think they are being slick

[Dawgbreeze]

You guys don't get it and never will

If coach Ray can't get us to the dance or for that matter competitive in the SEC in 3 years then the answer will be obvious regardless of Stansbury. Everybody knew you and coach34 had an agenda against Stansbury and I don't think Stansbury will be back, but don't try and tell this board if we can't get competitive in the SEC and advance in the dance that MSU should use a different criteria than you used. You folks said Stans should have been fired because he had lost it. Maybe he did, but don't try to insult our intellegence by changing how you judge results. W's and L's are all that matter and talent builds programs, so let's see if Coach Ray can get some. If not, then you guys, Stricklin and the rest of the bashers should be held accountable just like you held Stans accountable.

Correct, but geezer is setting himself up to be able to claim that we shouldn't have fired Stans if Coach Ray is not successful. At this point I wouldn't be surprised if he wants us to rehire Stans if Coach Ray doesn't work out.

 

[Coach34]

If coach Ray can't get us to the dance or for that matter competitive in the SEC in 3 years then the answer will be obvious regardless of Stansbury. Everybody knew you and coach34 had an agenda against Stansbury and I don't think Stansbury will be back, but don't try and tell this board if we can't get competitive in the SEC and advance in the dance that MSU should use a different criteria than you used. You folks said Stans should have been fired because he had lost it. Maybe he did, but don't try to insult our intellegence by changing how you judge results. W's and L's are all that matter and talent builds programs, so let's see if Coach Ray can get some. If not, then you guys, Stricklin and the rest of the bashers should be held accountable just like you held Stans accountable.

You can stand on your soapbox all you want- what Ray does has nothing to do with the fact that Stansbury had to go. He was done.

As far as Ray- this season is a freebie. It's such a cluster left from Stans and injuries it wont count against him whatsoever. 2014 will be Year 1 for him. He'll get a few years to see what he can do. Once he gets some rebuilding time, we will still expect to make the NCAA Tourney and to advance from time to time.

 

[NewTweederEndzoneDance]

Oh I get it! Croom is black. Ray is black. so therefore they are exactly the same! Never mind that Ray isn't even a tenth of the way into his first season, or that he is basically playing in the World Series of Poker with a quarter of a deck this season. No sir, those facts are not relevant when dumbshits are posting on the intrawebz!@!!!!

 

[NewTweederEndzoneDance]

I know I'll get no counter points b/c you have no viable argument, but...

Rick Ray has 3 years to get us competitive and if we aren't, then it is nobody's fault but his own because we have dominated Mississippi in recruiting in the past and if he doesn't recruit like Stans did, then we made a bad decision on the coaching change. I do know this, as bad as some years were with Stans and Williams, I rarely saw a team have more turnovers than field goals. Just sit back and the board will watch your posts in the next 3 years and it isn't very hard to figure out your agenda. It also doesn't take a basketball expert to figure out that we are still playing a street ball mentality and I don't see you mentioning one thing about our offensive execution and that was an every day event in the past 14 years. It is one thing to understand we are limited offensively but we are sloppy as hell on offense and that is coaching. You can't have it both ways.

1. You are correct, Ray does have several years, and then if he doesn't have us in the right place, then it will be time for him to go.

2. If he happens to not be successful, NO it does not mean that firing Stans was the wrong decision, just that we didn't get the right new coach.

3. How many Stans teams did you see with 6 scholarship players? Any? Beuler? Beuler...? Go ahead, tell us how its Ray's fault.

4. How many teams that play almost exclusively freshmen and walkons due to depth issues inherited from the previous shitshow regime don't have offensive execution issues, especially at the start of the season? Any? Bueler? Beuler...? Hell, Stansbury had teams full of seniors with offensive execution issues, and that was with over a decade to implement his system. If we have a full compliment of players next season and we are still playing sloppy street ball, then please, proceed with your grumpy old man routine. But until then, don't act like Coach Ray has Michael Jordan in his prime on the court but is using him as a waterboy, its a disservice to our intelligence.

5. you say "It is one thing to understand we are limited offensively but we are sloppy as hell on offense and that is coaching. You can't have it both ways." That statement right there is the definition of double speak, or having it both ways. How exactly are we supposed to not be sloppy on offense when you admit that we are limited on offense? Do you imagine that if the ninth grade high school squad at Jackson Prep played the Lakers that it may look a bit sloppy? Do you think that is coaching too? I know that is quite a far fetched analogy but it drives home the point.

 

[HailState39110]

Im hearing you can add Richard Adkerson to that list too

I'm thankful for guys Dawgbreeze, the Rulas, the Miskellys, the Iupes, and many others through the years that have given their money to help State basketball succeed. I can't tell you how much I and others appreciate it. BUT:

Those boosters that sit there pissed off because you didn't get your way this time and lie to people bother me. When you stop giving your monetary support and give the new coach less to work with- yet hold him to the same standard- you are not keeping an open mind, nor are you hoping he succeeds. I'd rather Dawgbreeze just say "17 yeah I'm still pissed off about it and I'm not giving any money towards the program because of it." At least then he would be truthful about being more loyal to Stansbury than the program instead of lying about it.

as well as the Mize Foundation . Thats alot of money and support that is upset right now . Whatever anyone says,you cannot turn your back on the major donors and supporters. Articles like this will be few and far between in the years to come if the athletic department continues to do things their way http://www.hailstate.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=16800&ATCLID=204779288

 

[IBleedMaroonDawg]

You can stand on your soapbox all you want- what Ray does has nothing to do with the fact that Stansbury had to go. He was done.

That's not what he said Coach... but then again you would argue with God that you are right and God is wrong.

All of you guys need to drop the basketball threads until either have a winning season or Ray has been coach for 3 or 4 years.

 

[Coach34]

That's not what he said Coach... but then again you would argue with God that you are right and God is wrong.

All of you guys need to drop the basketball threads until either have a winning season or Ray has been coach for 3 or 4 years.

yes, it's exactly what he has been talking about. He thinks Ray's success or failure is the answer to whether Stansbury should have been fired or not. What we are saying is that it doesnt matter what Ray does- it was time for a change.

 

[DawgatAuburn]

If coach Ray can't get us to the dance or for that matter competitive in the SEC in 3 years then the answer will be obvious regardless of Stansbury.

No, the last 13 years were the obvious answer on Stansbury. Here's the bottom line: helluva guy, understood how to play the recruiting game, willing to take chances on some guys, and never, ever, ever going to lead you to any consistent success. I'll give you this: Stans wouldn't be 1-3 right now because he wouldn't have had the nutsack to play that kind of schedule. (Granted we were in that tournament before Ray was hired, but in general, Stans played no one out of conference.

Everybody knew you and coach34 had an agenda against Stansbury and I don't think Stansbury will be back, but don't try and tell this board if we can't get competitive in the SEC and advance in the dance that MSU should use a different criteria than you used. You folks said Stans should have been fired because he had lost it. Maybe he did, but don't try to insult our intellegence by changing how you judge results.

You don't THINK he will be back??? You have to THINK about that?? As for the criteria, we'll make it the same. However many years of being consistently mediocre. In fact, I will cut it at 10 years for Coach Ray, because that's about the point Stans should have hung em up. There - even criteria, just like you asked.

W's and L's are all that matter and talent builds programs, so let's see if Coach Ray can get some. If not, then you guys, Stricklin and the rest of the bashers should be held accountable just like you held Stans accountable.

If his first job has to be recruiting his own school's fanbase back because they are more loyal to the old coach than to him, then he probably won't get any talent any time soon. He'll need to first find some people who care about Mississippi State succeeding more than they do getting their egos stroked.

 

[patdog]

Stans is the reason you have to change how you judge results for the next couple of years. He left the program in almost as bad shape as Bob Boyd left it. Hell, even Stans took 4 years to get to the tournament and he took over a much better program than Ray has taken over. Coach 34, is right. Stans absolutely had to go. Ray may have been a great hire or he may have been a terrible one. But we'd be even worse if we'd kept Stans. We'd have the same team and there would have been another fight in Hawaii.

 

[Dawgbreeze]

yes, it's exactly what he has been talking about. He thinks Ray's success or failure is the answer to whether Stansbury should have been fired or not. What we are saying is that it doesnt matter what Ray does- it was time for a change.

That is ******** coach. Has nothing to do with Stansbury other than the fact you used the same criteria for him that should be used for Ray. Don't start your normal double talking because all of us watched your paranoia and lambasting of Stansbury for 14 years. You have a record of trying to phrase things to distort the truth and if Ray can't produce in 3 or 4 years then the change was a mistake. I think you are the only person who tries to start a thread a day to defend your positions on anything. We all know you are incapable of ever admitting you are wrong on anything. If Ray can't compete in the SEC or get to the dance, then the question of time for a change is pure conjecture. Whether you, dawg from Auburn, Patdog, or others admit it or not, Stans did have some success and if Ray doesn't equal that, then the change was a mistake.

 

[Coach34]

That is ******** coach. Has nothing to do with Stansbury other than the fact you used the same criteria for him that should be used for Ray. Don't start your normal double talking because all of us watched your paranoia and lambasting of Stansbury for 14 years. You have a record of trying to phrase things to distort the truth and if Ray can't produce in 3 or 4 years then the change was a mistake. I think you are the only person who tries to start a thread a day to defend your positions on anything. We all know you are incapable of ever admitting you are wrong on anything. If Ray can't compete in the SEC or get to the dance, then the question of time for a change is pure conjecture. Whether you, dawg from Auburn, Patdog, or others admit it or not, Stans did have some success and if Ray doesn't equal that, then the change was a mistake.

you're an idiot

Stansbury was done. It was over. He and the program were embarrassing the school. Even the damn commentators on TV talk about that.

Ray's success or failure has nothing to do with whether we should have made a change or not. Get that thru your Alzheimer's-ridden brain.

I dont know what Ray will do at State- but he'll get 4 years to do it. It's probably going to go like Cohen's rebuild- 2 years of **** and people raising hell and then people figuring out the guy knows wtf he is doing afterall. After a couple years to rebuild, his expectations will be the same as Stansbury's. I have the same expectations for all of the Big 3

Football- get in bowl games and every so often climb into a more prestigious bowl game.
Basketball- get in the NCAA Tourney and ever so often advance to the 2nd weekend
Baseball- get in the NCAA Tourney and ever so often get to a Super and beyond.

It doesnt matter who the coach is- those are the expectations. If we go too long in any of those sports without that criteria happening (3 years is my personal timeframe- but next year will be Ray's Year 1- this season is a throwaway thanks to Stansbury and injuries), then we need to hire someone else to do it.