dawgpound11....where is this development going in relation to Russell Street?

[YardBarker]

Is it the parcel behind chic-fil-a where the old pizza hut used to be or will it be at the intersection of Russell Street and Highway 12? Basically what I'm asking is..is that Russell Street that I am seeing on the far right side of this rendering or Hwy 12?

http://www.cdispatch.com/news/article.asp?aid=31965

 

[vandaldawg]

Wherever it is, it's dogshit.

Is it the parcel behind chic-fil-a where the old pizza hut used to be or will it be at the intersection of Russell Street and Highway 12? Basically what I'm asking is..is that Russell Street that I am seeing on the far right side of this rendering or Hwy 12?

http://www.cdispatch.com/news/article.asp?aid=31965

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[57stratdawg]

I started to post this earlier today, but thought it might have been talked about in the other Cotton Mills thread. I think that's going in the old Pizza Hut/Movie Theaters lot. I hope anyway. Although that'll make the intersection with 12 and Spring Street (Blackjack) a nightmare.

 

[aTotal360]

Let me be the first to say Jimmy Johns sucks.

 

[thunderclap]

Not if you wanna lose 8 lbs in 72 hours which is what it did when it gave me food poisoning.

 

[dawgstudent]

I like it better than Subway and it's quick.

 

[aTotal360]

...and you never had to leave the bathroom.

 

[patdog]

A friend from North Carolina was so excited when he found out a city we were in for business had a Jimmy Johns. We just had to go there. Ate there and I was kind of, meh. It's OK, but nothing special at all. Had the same experience with the same friend with Bojangles.

 

[Xenomorph]

That "large retail center" is complete ***.. Surely that's not..

...the final drawing. Use some imagination, guys.. Come on. The lot where that will be built is absolute gold where Starkville is concerned. Check out some other mixed-use developments and PLEASE realize you don't have to build something that came from your stock plan file back in 1985.

Here's something similar that's about to be built in Oxford. This has condos above it but if you aren't zoned for that put office space above and you'll have to beat people off with a stick.

Please don't build that ******** shown in the dispatch!

 

[sandwolf.sixpack]

Is it the parcel behind chic-fil-a where the old pizza hut used to be or will it be at the intersection of Russell Street and Highway 12? Basically what I'm asking is..is that Russell Street that I am seeing on the far right side of this rendering or Hwy 12?

http://www.cdispatch.com/news/article.asp?aid=31965

At first I thought it was Russell, but now I am thinking it is Hwy. 12........if it was Russell, you would think that there would be a driveway between the street and the hotel parking lot.

 

[YardBarker]

Wherever it is, it's dogshit.

Exactly. I will seriously be sick if this is going at the highway 12/Russell street intersection though. If it's going to be a ****** development, I had much rather it go over behind the chic-fil-a with the rest of the ****** development.

 

[YardBarker]

...the final drawing. Use some imagination, guys.. Come on. The lot where that will be built is absolute gold where Starkville is concerned. Check out some other mixed-use developments and PLEASE realize you don't have to build something that came from your stock plan file back in 1985.

Here's something similar that's about to be built in Oxford. This has condos above it but if you aren't zoned for that put office space above and you'll have to beat people off with a stick.

Please don't build that ******** in the dispatch!

THIS. That's why Starkville is where they are and oxford is where they are.

 

[Uncle Ruckus]

I feel the same way. Most of my friends love it but I dont really care for overpriced subway. If I want a sandwich I'm going to firehouse. And if there isn't a firehouse ill go to which which

 

[dawgpound11]

Is it the parcel behind chic-fil-a where the old pizza hut used to be or will it be at the intersection of Russell Street and Highway 12? Basically what I'm asking is..is that Russell Street that I am seeing on the far right side of this rendering or Hwy 12?

http://www.cdispatch.com/news/article.asp?aid=31965

The strip center is going directly east of Chic-Fil-A. The Holiday Inn is going directly east of the strip center. All of this is south of Cotton Mill and is NOT part of the Cotton Mill Development. I'll try to post a photo of the site plan.

 

[Original48]

I'm one and done with Jimmy Johns and wish I had a Firehouse close to me.

 

[dawgpound11]

Is it the parcel behind chic-fil-a where the old pizza hut used to be or will it be at the intersection of Russell Street and Highway 12? Basically what I'm asking is..is that Russell Street that I am seeing on the far right side of this rendering or Hwy 12?

http://www.cdispatch.com/news/article.asp?aid=31965

I was in a hurry and missed the rendering the first time I answered you. Yes, that's Highway 12.

 

[esplanade91]

This is ********. STARKVILLE! IMPLEMENT SOME ******* BUILDING CODES! So sick of Starkville looking like a stereotypical one horse town. Time to scrap the strip malls and generic developments and get some kind of charm.

The Blackjack and 12 intersection is probably the most visible intersection in the Golden Triangle and it consists of two fast food restaurants, a parking lot the size of Texas that needs repaving that provides parking for a liquor store, a vintage Sears, and a ghetto *** fashion joint, and 2 chain hotels. That's the gateway into MSU and it looks like dog ****.

 

[rabiddawg]

What?????????? You don't order the right thing. Their bread is so good you can eat it alone. It's 17'ing delicious. Get the ultimate porker, #17 I think on their menu. It's a BLT+ham. It's like God himself made it. I go to the one across from Baptist in the new Belhaven office building every chance I get.

 

[Big Sheep81]

THIS in 10 to the 10th power!!!

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[MSUDawg25]

Starkville needs somebody to come in and make some common sense calls. "You want to convert an old Wendy's into a title loan joint right on highway twelve a mile from campus? Go 17 yourself."

 

[ronpolk]

...the final drawing. Use some imagination, guys.. Come on. The lot where that will be built is absolute gold where Starkville is concerned. Check out some other mixed-use developments and PLEASE realize you don't have to build something that came from your stock plan file back in 1985.

Here's something similar that's about to be built in Oxford. This has condos above it but if you aren't zoned for that put office space above and you'll have to beat people off with a stick.

Please don't build that ******** shown in the dispatch!

That building looks great. It would be nice to see this in Starkville.

 

[Palos verdes]

This is ********. STARKVILLE! IMPLEMENT SOME ******* BUILDING CODES! So sick of Starkville looking like a stereotypical one horse town. Time to scrap the strip malls and generic developments and get some kind of charm.

The Blackjack and 12 intersection is probably the most visible intersection in the Golden Triangle and it consists of two fast food restaurants, a parking lot the size of Texas that needs repaving that provides parking for a liquor store, a vintage Sears, and a ghetto *** fashion joint, and 2 chain hotels. That's the gateway into MSU and it looks like dog ****.

Damn I agree with this ****.

 

[esplanade91]

Starkville needs somebody to come in and make some common sense calls. "You want to convert an old Wendy's into a title loan joint right on highway twelve a mile from campus? Go 17 yourself."

There are 2 Sonic's and 2 McDonald's on the same road within a couple miles of each other in a town of less than 15,000 residents. There's a Bojangles, Popeye's, KFC, Zaxby's, Chic-fil-a, and now Wingstop in between those McDonald's and Sonic's. It's as if they're trying to make bad decisions.

I mean, I get it, the charm of Starkville is along downtown and the Cotton District, but they can't seem to run that right for **** either.

I need to move back to Starkghanistan and run for city counsel under the slogan "I couldn't make it worse if I tried!"

ETA: I lived in the Cotton District my last year, got rid of my car, and never left the 3 mile radius of my apartment. It was a wonderful oasis, then my girlfriend comes to visit Starkville for the first time and she drives in on that route and I have to explain that turd...

 

[57stratdawg]

There is a Firehouse in Starkville now, I believe.

 

[Hail State]

I completely agree. I always felt like people drool over Jimmy Johns because it was the "hip and edgy" thing to do. They couldn't make a more plain sandwhich.

 

[rabiddawg]

I'm kind of OK with that. If I wanted to be surrounded by fake facades and pretentiousness then I would have attended Ole Miss. There is nothing wrong with the renderings. Any development in Starkville is good for the city. Oxford is a dinky town in a dinky Mississippi county just like Starkville is. They are quickly approaching pricing a lot of there alumni out of places to stay and places to go. I hear the bitching at work all the time. Hell, y'all should have seen Starkville back when I attended there in the early 90's. It's Park avenue now compared to that.

 

[YardBarker]

There is nothing wrong with the renderings. Any development in Starkville is good for the city. .

I guess we can just agree to disagree here. This is arguably one of the most valuable parcels of land in the whole state and they are going to 17 it up for the next 30 years with this typical sprawl devleopment. Why wouldn't you maximize the the land by building a dense mixed use development? Those sure are beautiful parking lots though.** Nothing says success like asphalt.

 

[The Usual Suspect]

Not as good as Firehouse Subs, which is my new fav for sandwiches...

 

[esplanade91]

I'm kind of OK with that. If I wanted to be surrounded by fake facades and pretentiousness then I would have attended Ole Miss. There is nothing wrong with the renderings. Any development in Starkville is good for the city. Oxford is a dinky town in a dinky Mississippi county just like Starkville is. They are quickly approaching pricing a lot of there alumni out of places to stay and places to go. I hear the bitching at work all the time. Hell, y'all should have seen Starkville back when I attended there in the early 90's. It's Park avenue now compared to that.

"It was worse when I went there" is the kind of thinking that's going to keep Starkville the laughing stock of SEC college towns.

Oxford is also a blip on the radar but their city leadership has done a great job over the years not allowing buzzards to put **** developments like this in their town. That's why while there is little difference in the two towns, outsiders actually like theirs.

Need more folks like Wiseman to move back to Starkville and force the 90 year old Footloose people out. I mean seriously, Wiseman's competition this time around ran on the platform that they turned Starkville into one of the best Parks & Rec departments in the state. Name me a park in Starkville that doesn't have a soccer field on it. It's evident that the people who run Starkville don't have degrees from MSU. Becomes more apparent every time they make some halfhearted announcement.

 

[dawgpound11]

This is ********. STARKVILLE! IMPLEMENT SOME ******* BUILDING CODES! So sick of Starkville looking like a stereotypical one horse town. Time to scrap the strip malls and generic developments and get some kind of charm.

The Blackjack and 12 intersection is probably the most visible intersection in the Golden Triangle and it consists of two fast food restaurants, a parking lot the size of Texas that needs repaving that provides parking for a liquor store, a vintage Sears, and a ghetto *** fashion joint, and 2 chain hotels. That's the gateway into MSU and it looks like dog ****.

They've implemented the new T-5 and T-6 Transect Districts which eliminate a lot of the stereotypical forms of construction and huge parking lots in the front of buildings. The problem is, this parcel is zoned C-2 General Business which allows parking in the front. The Transect Districts are mostly around downtown/Cotton District/Russell Street. Almost all of Highway 12 is C-2. You can view the maps and the code here...http://www.cityofstarkville.org/index.aspx?nid=156 I don't particularly care for it as well, but right now I'm still of the opinion that any new development in Starkville is a positive. It's hard to ***** about what Starkville doesn't have and then ***** about what new developments look like. I'm not aiming this at you esplanade, just talking about those in general who complain. I'm afraid the Highway 12 corridor will never change drastically. It is what it is.

And I don't like the fact that they aren't making Russell a boulevard as part of the Cotton Mill project. They are adding sidewalks and bike lanes, but they've eliminated the boulevard concept they were considering. At least they are still changing the stop light at Highway 12/Russell into a roundabout with pedestrian access to the bridge. The immediate entrance to the University will be transformed into something entirely better...and Castleberry will do Cotton Mill right. I've told ya'll all along that if anybody could make this happen it would be him. His projects are generally pretty good looking and not stereotypical. He turned a ****** looking Blockbuster building into this...



Now, if someone would buy the Ergon site and develop it correctly we'd really have something.

 

[esplanade91]

I realize it's backwards to complain about what Starkville doesn't have and then complain about a new development, it just seems like to me as a person with zero city planning experience that when you start from scratch (which we essentially are) you have to do things right or, like you mentioned about 12 being stuck the way it is, you're a desert wasteland of strip malls and converted Wendy's title loan buildings. I'd imagine Starkville is near the top of the list in fast food restaurants per capita or dollar stores per capita.

I've been to a ton of towns that had a lot of fast food or franchise-esk buildings but their codes made it where the building had to fit to a certain criteria so that it could easily become something else, in other words it didn't look like a fast food or chain restaurant.

And that's essentially what I've been bitching about. I'm ok with having a lot of national food options and them putting a Bone Fish or whatever in the Cotton Mills project... I'm just worried that in 10-15 years when the lease opens and that restaurant completely abandons the remains that we'll be stuck with another Wendy's title loan type of business. It's not ok having a ridiculous amount of fast food franchises when it looks that way.

 

[rabiddawg]

If you think that Starkville is a laughing stock you clearly have never seen the neighborhoods around Alabama, LSU, Florida and Tennessee. Ghettos border most of these schools, especially the ones in capital cities. You have been reading and listening to too much OM crap or SECRant crap. There is nothing wrong with Starkville remaining a small college town.


If you want to be so much like Oxford then feel free to move there and support their school. It seems some here have some kind of inferiority complex. I have had several exchanges with fans from other schools and the ones that actually come to the games say they are impressed with Starkville because it is nothing like everybody says it is. Mostly only sidewalk fans have the opinion that there school/town is so much better than anybody else's. Most people who go to any school quickly realizes their school isn't as perfect as they thought it would be and are generally the last to tear others down.

 

[esplanade91]

If you are under the impression that Starkville is ghetto-less then you are mistaken.

I don't want you to get the wrong impression, I LOVE Starkville. I wouldn't have chosen MSU if I didn't and I wouldn't have stayed 4 years if I learned to hate it. Compared to the other 13 towns though, it lacks. How can you look at Starkville and argue that it isn't poorly drawn up? Not even in just a college town standard. It's riddled with industrial type buildings with an expiration date, and these are the first things anyone sees of our city... Be they sidewalk fans, politicians, speakers, or football recruits and their families.

There's nothing wrong with disliking decisions your hometown makes. For better or worse I love Starkville, but it could do better.

 

[YardBarker]

I realize it's backwards to complain about what Starkville doesn't have and then complain about a new development, it just seems like to me as a person with zero city planning experience that when you start from scratch (which we essentially are) you have to do things right or, like you mentioned about 12 being stuck the way it is, you're a desert wasteland of strip malls and converted Wendy's title loan buildings. I'd imagine Starkville is near the top of the list in fast food restaurants per capita or dollar stores per capita.

I've been to a ton of towns that had a lot of fast food or franchise-esk buildings but their codes made it where the building had to fit to a certain criteria so that it could easily become something else, in other words it didn't look like a fast food or chain restaurant.

And that's essentially what I've been bitching about. I'm ok with having a lot of national food options and them putting a Bone Fish or whatever in the Cotton Mills project... I'm just worried that in 10-15 years when the lease opens and that restaurant completely abandons the remains that we'll be stuck with another Wendy's title loan type of business. It's not ok having a ridiculous amount of fast food franchises when it looks that way.

If you have no planning experience, you must know someone that does because you are pretty much spot on on most of your posts. It's 17n irritating to visit and see other cities that have developed the right way and are cashing in and then look at Starkville who had a chance to change their perception with one development and screw it up. Mayor Wiseman has done a lot of positive things for the city but he can't do it by himself. The BOA is a joke.

 

[YardBarker]

If you think that Starkville is a laughing stock you clearly have never seen the neighborhoods around Alabama, LSU, Florida and Tennessee. Ghettos border most of these schools, especially the ones in capital cities. You have been reading and listening to too much OM crap or SECRant crap. There is nothing wrong with Starkville remaining a small college town.


If you want to be so much like Oxford then feel free to move there and support their school. It seems some here have some kind of inferiority complex. I have had several exchanges with fans from other schools and the ones that actually come to the games say they are impressed with Starkville because it is nothing like everybody says it is. Mostly only sidewalk fans have the opinion that there school/town is so much better than anybody else's. Most people who go to any school quickly realizes their school isn't as perfect as they thought it would be and are generally the last to tear others down.

We all like Starkville or we wouldn't have went to school there. We just want to see it reach it's full potential...that's all.

 

[rabiddawg]

And I would much sooner keep a trip to Starkville for a weekend affordable for a family of 4 instead of filling it with all this high-rent **** that A LOT of OM alumns are starting to complain about. Be careful what you envy them for. You can be very quickly priced out of a college town.

 

[DerHntr]

The rendering reminds me of the building George Sherman is in.

As for Jimmy John's, it is decent but most importantly it is crazy fast for delivery. I met Jimmy last year. He talked a lot about their delivery being a big advantage for them. BTW, he is a fat, crazy, former pot head who does a billion in sales now. He acted a lot like Chris Farley in his speech but he is one hell of a businessman.

 

[esplanade91]

I don't envy UM. If anything I envy Athens and wish our gateway into Downtown was as flawless. I'm even ok with putting hotels and **** in Starkville, just not along the corridor and on the most valuable intersection in northeast Mississippi.

 

[vandaldawg]

It is going to be a lot easier for me...

If you are under the impression that Starkville is ghetto-less then you are mistaken.

I don't want you to get the wrong impression, I LOVE Starkville. I wouldn't have chosen MSU if I didn't and I wouldn't have stayed 4 years if I learned to hate it. Compared to the other 13 towns though, it lacks. How can you look at Starkville and argue that it isn't poorly drawn up? Not even in just a college town standard. It's riddled with industrial type buildings with an expiration date, and these are the first things anyone sees of our city... Be they sidewalk fans, politicians, speakers, or football recruits and their families.

There's nothing wrong with disliking decisions your hometown makes. For better or worse I love Starkville, but it could do better.

to just say that everything Esplanade and Yardbarker have said is right, and anything remotely contradicting it is wrong. I will add, though, I love how most on this board when it comes to our athletics, fall into the category of "Mississippi State shouldn't think small or consider itself second best, nor should it settle for anything less than the best". Yet, when it comes to the town of Starkville, you start to see thoughts along the lines of "It's good for Starkville" or "any new development is a positive for Starkville" or "we don't need any high-falutin' development like in Oxford! They can keep their snobby urbanity! In Starkville, we PRIDE ourselves on our giant parking lots and ****-facade strip developments".

I mean, it's just so provincial. We should fight for and expect the same level of quality and intelligence in the development and planning of the town we ALL love (mature love as opposed to - nyah, nyah you can't say anything critical about Starkville or you must hate it! Go ahead and just go to Oxford if you want walkable, mixed use urban core!"

And if you can't use simply wanting Starkville to improve and be the very best it can be as motivation, then use the fact that it has a direct bearing on our recruiting both athletically and academically.

 

[vandaldawg]

Again, ditto esplanade...

I don't envy UM. If anything I envy Athens and wish our gateway into Downtown was as flawless. I'm even ok with putting hotels and **** in Starkville, just not along the corridor and on the most valuable intersection in northeast Mississippi.

I wouldn't feel bad if every time a development or any kind of decision was made for that matter, the town of Starkville asked itself, "What Would Athens Do?".