Day 1 of 10- rating the SEC- QB's

[Coach34]

To help us get through the worst sports month, we will start breaking down and rating the SEC teams position by position. We will have 10 categories spread over 2 weeks.

1. QB’s
2. RB’s
3. TE’s/WR’s
4. OL
5. Total Offense
6. DL
7. LB’s
8. Secondary
9. Total defense
10. Coaching


QB’s

1. UPig- hard to put anybody ahead of Mallet. The Pigs will be winging it this season. He has the weapons around him to be a top 5 Heisman finalist.

2. Bammer- McElroy has yet to lose a game as a starting QB in his HS and college careers. He has got to be doing something right. Bammer has the best backfield in the nation, and a 1st rounder at WR- McElroy will be able to throw when he wants instead of when he has to more often than not- making him even better.

3. SC- a surprise here- Garcia had 17 TD’s last season against 10 picks. He has a veteran OL returning, good receiver core returning, and Lattimore coming in at RB. Also, Spurrier has added the “Wild Cock” to his offense and a good athlete in Gilmore running it. Garcia is mobile as well.

4. Fla- Brantley is more of a passer and the Gators have to adjust their offense some, but they have talent to help any QB be successful. Expect a few more TO’s this season from them, but their QB won’t be bad at all

5. LSU- Jefferson and Lee have 3 future NFL WR’s to throw to and LSU always has a couple of good RB’s. Jefferson was 5th in the SEC last season in passing efficiency and threw 17 TD’s to only 7 picks. The fact that Lee is putting up a strong challenge for the job leads me to believe this position will be solid for the Tigers.

6. Auburn- Newton should play well in Auburn’s system. They have talent around him to help him be successful and one of the best OL’s in the SEC. I still think playing them early helps us and our blitz packages will be the key to beating them.

7. Jawja- even though their QB’s haven’t taken a college snap, expect some good play in Athens. They have the SEC’s best OL, and top 3 WR’s and RB’s. Expect some conservative play-calling early on- with SC, UPig, and State in games 2,3, and 4- QB will decide how they come out of those games.

8. State- 2 questions for us on Relf- can he stay healthy playing QB full-time and can he complete enough passes to keep the safeties honest? If both of those are yes- State will finally have a top-tier SEC offense. Relf could also end up a top 5 SEC QB due to the possibility of putting up numbers of 1,000 yards rushing and 1,500 passing. He averaged 60/game rushing last year in very limited action- look for him to average 10-12 carries a game in 2010. His running ability also makes him dangerous in the play-action passing game. If he can be somewhat on target, the Bulldogs will have some big plays in the passing game it lacked in 2009. Relf will be backed up by Tyler Russell, who will indeed get some playing time- but the more meaningful snaps he has to play, the worse the Bulldogs will be.

9. Kentucky- best of the worst in the conference. Morgan Newton will be decent, but Kentucky only has 5 starters returning on offense. At least he has Locke to hand-off to.

10. Mississippi- The Nathan Stanley era begins. He has a “Stansbury-type” of schedule to play against and some good RB’s. Curious to see him play in the big games of 2010. Nutt can be somewhat conservative with him because of their good defensive front

11. Tennessee- good luck Matt Simms.

12. Vanderbilt- hard to believe Cutler played here with what they have at QB now.

 

[Coach34]

To help us get through the worst sports month, we will start breaking down and rating the SEC teams position by position. We will have 10 categories spread over 2 weeks.

1. QB’s
2. RB’s
3. TE’s/WR’s
4. OL
5. Total Offense
6. DL
7. LB’s
8. Secondary
9. Total defense
10. Coaching


QB’s

1. UPig- hard to put anybody ahead of Mallet. The Pigs will be winging it this season. He has the weapons around him to be a top 5 Heisman finalist.

2. Bammer- McElroy has yet to lose a game as a starting QB in his HS and college careers. He has got to be doing something right. Bammer has the best backfield in the nation, and a 1st rounder at WR- McElroy will be able to throw when he wants instead of when he has to more often than not- making him even better.

3. SC- a surprise here- Garcia had 17 TD’s last season against 10 picks. He has a veteran OL returning, good receiver core returning, and Lattimore coming in at RB. Also, Spurrier has added the “Wild Cock” to his offense and a good athlete in Gilmore running it. Garcia is mobile as well.

4. Fla- Brantley is more of a passer and the Gators have to adjust their offense some, but they have talent to help any QB be successful. Expect a few more TO’s this season from them, but their QB won’t be bad at all

5. LSU- Jefferson and Lee have 3 future NFL WR’s to throw to and LSU always has a couple of good RB’s. Jefferson was 5th in the SEC last season in passing efficiency and threw 17 TD’s to only 7 picks. The fact that Lee is putting up a strong challenge for the job leads me to believe this position will be solid for the Tigers.

6. Auburn- Newton should play well in Auburn’s system. They have talent around him to help him be successful and one of the best OL’s in the SEC. I still think playing them early helps us and our blitz packages will be the key to beating them.

7. Jawja- even though their QB’s haven’t taken a college snap, expect some good play in Athens. They have the SEC’s best OL, and top 3 WR’s and RB’s. Expect some conservative play-calling early on- with SC, UPig, and State in games 2,3, and 4- QB will decide how they come out of those games.

8. State- 2 questions for us on Relf- can he stay healthy playing QB full-time and can he complete enough passes to keep the safeties honest? If both of those are yes- State will finally have a top-tier SEC offense. Relf could also end up a top 5 SEC QB due to the possibility of putting up numbers of 1,000 yards rushing and 1,500 passing. He averaged 60/game rushing last year in very limited action- look for him to average 10-12 carries a game in 2010. His running ability also makes him dangerous in the play-action passing game. If he can be somewhat on target, the Bulldogs will have some big plays in the passing game it lacked in 2009. Relf will be backed up by Tyler Russell, who will indeed get some playing time- but the more meaningful snaps he has to play, the worse the Bulldogs will be.

9. Kentucky- best of the worst in the conference. Morgan Newton will be decent, but Kentucky only has 5 starters returning on offense. At least he has Locke to hand-off to.

10. Mississippi- The Nathan Stanley era begins. He has a “Stansbury-type” of schedule to play against and some good RB’s. Curious to see him play in the big games of 2010. Nutt can be somewhat conservative with him because of their good defensive front

11. Tennessee- good luck Matt Simms.

12. Vanderbilt- hard to believe Cutler played here with what they have at QB now.

 

[Coach34]

To help us get through the worst sports month, we will start breaking down and rating the SEC teams position by position. We will have 10 categories spread over 2 weeks.

1. QB’s
2. RB’s
3. TE’s/WR’s
4. OL
5. Total Offense
6. DL
7. LB’s
8. Secondary
9. Total defense
10. Coaching


QB’s

1. UPig- hard to put anybody ahead of Mallet. The Pigs will be winging it this season. He has the weapons around him to be a top 5 Heisman finalist.

2. Bammer- McElroy has yet to lose a game as a starting QB in his HS and college careers. He has got to be doing something right. Bammer has the best backfield in the nation, and a 1st rounder at WR- McElroy will be able to throw when he wants instead of when he has to more often than not- making him even better.

3. SC- a surprise here- Garcia had 17 TD’s last season against 10 picks. He has a veteran OL returning, good receiver core returning, and Lattimore coming in at RB. Also, Spurrier has added the “Wild Cock” to his offense and a good athlete in Gilmore running it. Garcia is mobile as well.

4. Fla- Brantley is more of a passer and the Gators have to adjust their offense some, but they have talent to help any QB be successful. Expect a few more TO’s this season from them, but their QB won’t be bad at all

5. LSU- Jefferson and Lee have 3 future NFL WR’s to throw to and LSU always has a couple of good RB’s. Jefferson was 5th in the SEC last season in passing efficiency and threw 17 TD’s to only 7 picks. The fact that Lee is putting up a strong challenge for the job leads me to believe this position will be solid for the Tigers.

6. Auburn- Newton should play well in Auburn’s system. They have talent around him to help him be successful and one of the best OL’s in the SEC. I still think playing them early helps us and our blitz packages will be the key to beating them.

7. Jawja- even though their QB’s haven’t taken a college snap, expect some good play in Athens. They have the SEC’s best OL, and top 3 WR’s and RB’s. Expect some conservative play-calling early on- with SC, UPig, and State in games 2,3, and 4- QB will decide how they come out of those games.

8. State- 2 questions for us on Relf- can he stay healthy playing QB full-time and can he complete enough passes to keep the safeties honest? If both of those are yes- State will finally have a top-tier SEC offense. Relf could also end up a top 5 SEC QB due to the possibility of putting up numbers of 1,000 yards rushing and 1,500 passing. He averaged 60/game rushing last year in very limited action- look for him to average 10-12 carries a game in 2010. His running ability also makes him dangerous in the play-action passing game. If he can be somewhat on target, the Bulldogs will have some big plays in the passing game it lacked in 2009. Relf will be backed up by Tyler Russell, who will indeed get some playing time- but the more meaningful snaps he has to play, the worse the Bulldogs will be.

9. Kentucky- best of the worst in the conference. Morgan Newton will be decent, but Kentucky only has 5 starters returning on offense. At least he has Locke to hand-off to.

10. Mississippi- The Nathan Stanley era begins. He has a “Stansbury-type” of schedule to play against and some good RB’s. Curious to see him play in the big games of 2010. Nutt can be somewhat conservative with him because of their good defensive front

11. Tennessee- good luck Matt Simms.

12. Vanderbilt- hard to believe Cutler played here with what they have at QB now.

 

[Tito Cheeseburger Jr]

tweeted that Simms had by far the strongest arm of all the college QBs at the Manning Passing Academy.

 

[Xenomorph]

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[jcdawgman18]

1) Arkansas- Ryan Mallett (Ridiculous arm strength and very good accuracy. He's a freak.)
2) Alabama- Greg McElroy (he won't finish the year here, but he won a national title and hasn't lost a game since 8th grade, he deserves to start out here at least).
3) Florida- John Brantley (he'll pass McElroy by the end of the year)
4) South Carolina- Stephen Garcia (lots of talent, can he put it all together?)
5) Kentucky- Mike Hartline/ Morgan Newton (either way, they'll be better than they were last year. Either Newton has more experience or Hartline is good enough to beat him out still)
6) LSU- Jordan Jefferson (He's not impressive, but he's really the only guy left who has played. He has shown flashes at times, too.)
7) Auburn- Cameron Newton (He's highly touted and totally unproven on this level. I have no questions about his running ability, it's phenomenal. However, I do question his accuracy.)
8) Mississippi State- Chris Relf and possibly Tyler Russell (Relf: proven runner, un-proven passer. Russell: redshirt freshman, we'll see how he continues to adjust to the college game)
9) Georgia- Aaron Murray (redshirt freshman, supposedly has great moxie. Ranks here because he's got to be better than the next 3)
10) Mississippi- Nathan Stanley or possibly Raymond Cotton (Stanley hasn't gotten many snaps, but he managed to toss an interception when he did get in the Cotton Bowl last year. Cotton is so inaccurate as a passer that during combines leading up to his senior year of high school receivers would make sure they didn't have to go with him because they thought it would make them look bad. He does have some impressive physical abilities though.)
11) Tennessee- Matt Simms (JUCO guy, already gotten himself in trouble once in Knoxville)
12) Vanderbilt- Larry Smith (athletic, but very inaccurate passer)

 

[Dollabillz]

2-McElroy

Damn, it gets hard after this.

3-Has to be Garcia based on experience. This is sad.
4-Jefferson
5-Going with Relf because he can put the ball in the endzone, and that's what makes a good college QB. Seems weird putting an MSU QB here.
6-Hartline/Newton combo at UK
7-Brantley based on potential
8-Newton based on potential

Georgia/Tennessee/Ole Miss/Vanderbilt - I don't even know who their quarterbacks are.

 

[rebelrouseri]

will be running the wild rebel w/ an actual passing threat for the first time ever (Dexter was an int machine).

 

[Dollabillz]

About as sure as you were of Shayfuh? I give no credit anymore until I see these guys on the field.

 

[FlabLoser]

tweeted that Simms had by far the strongest arm of all the college QBs at the Manning Passing Academy.

Prior to his Sr year, one Tyler Russell won the MVP and most accurate awards at the Tee Martin invitation-only skills players camp.

 

[Hector.sixpack]

1. Mallet- fits well with Petrino, classic pro-style QB
2. McElroy- a winner, not to flashy, but plays big when it counts
3. Holy crap- the rest of the SEC is up in the air- but Garcia wins #3 by experience default
4. Brantley- seems to be talented, quite a bit of hype, no experience- will lose a couple just from that
5. Newton- he's gonna be great under Malzahn
6. Relf- ok, I'm about to concede that Russell will only get limited playing time, even though Ive said earlier that I thought he would be the "goto guy" by the end of the season. Relf has too much upside, if he can manage the game. I do think Russell will push for playing time and will continue to improve, but I'm a one QB guy and Relf will be that guy.
8. Newton (the KY version)- he's a good QB, I think he was highly recruited
9. Georgia's QB- lots of talent around, good defense too
10. Ole Miss- whoever they chose- could very well be an upgrade at the QB position. I thought Snead didn't play well last year. McCluster was the offense.
11.Vandy- get the nod above last place just because of the higher IQ
12. TN

 

[rebelrouseri]

to run the occasional package made exclusively for his talents. And there are several qb's on that list w/ no real experience.

 

[thunderclap]

then it will be your only passing threat.

 

[FlabLoser]

Its a down year for SEC QBs? You get past #1 and #2 and there's not much there other than maybe Cam Newton if he lives up to his hype.

And does that mean that despite MSU's usual lack of QB expectations, might our QB position be closer to SEC average than it usually is?

 

[Tito Cheeseburger Jr]

I doubt Simms has stronger arm than Mallett.

He also said Stanford QB Andrew Luck looked like best pro prospect and I think the Texas Tech QB Potts won the skills competition.

 

[jacksdawgs]

but I think Chris Relf could end up being a top 4 or 5 Quarterback in the SEC, I think we will really see an improved passing game from him this year along with his running ability. I'm saying watch out if he can figure it out.

 

[Dollabillz]

I have some doubts about Chris Relf myself, but you can't deny the things he's capable of doing. He can run like crazy (and very instinctively), and seems to have an Omarr Conner-esque ability to pinpoint his passes when he's on the run.

 

[J-Dawg]

Pretty good assessment.

 

[RebelBruiser]

to run the occasional package made exclusively for his talents. And there are several qb's on that list w/ no real experience.

Schaeffer would've been great in a Wildcat package. He did pretty well in a modified spread option attack in the last two games of his career. That is, until halftime of the Egg Bowl in 2007 when Werner got jealous of Hugh Freeze and demanded we go back to the I-formation and pro sets.

I wouldn't factor Mackey into a discussion our our QBs, but I think he's going to be a big part of our offense, and the Wildcat will be a pretty big part of it as well. We're going to play it pretty conservative this fall I think, as we should, so our QBs will rank low on most lists. They won't put up the numbers unless someone really steps up and proves to be a gamer that can sling it all over.

 

[Afro Dawg]

Do you really think LSU has 3 NFL receivers? Who are they?<div>
</div><div>I'm guessing you are saying Tolliver, Randle and.....Russell Sheppard maybe? I don't really see another one that's possible.</div>

 

[alabamadog]

1. Arkansas- Mallet is obviously a bad *** and the only current nfl prospect on this list. Last year he averaged 280 yards a game, had 30 tds, and 7 interceptions.
2. South Carolina- Garcia averaged 220 yards a game, 17 tds, and 10 interceptions. He doesn't have the playmakers around him that other teams do. He would be a good fantasy league pickup because he gets to throw the ball quite a bit.
3. Alabama- McElroy averaged 179 yards, had 17 tds and 4 interceptions. I almost ranked him second because of his td/int ratio, but he has it much easier than Garcia because he has players like Julio, Maze, and Ingram, as well as a much better line than South Carolina.
4. Florida- From watching him in blowouts he looks like he is going to be good. He has only thrown one interception in around 70-80 passes (of course he hasn't played in meaningful situations). I'm basing this high ranking simply off watching him play.
5. LSU-Jefferson averaged around 180 yards and had 17 tds with 7 interceptions. He also has a high completion percentage. He has had better recievers than almost every other qb on this list, but his line wasn't that great. Lee isn't good but is a better backup than most teams have.
6. Auburn- I'm not sure they have anyone decent behind Newton, but he is going to pick up a ton of running yards and he can throw the ball ok, but has questionable accuracy. </p>

7. UGA- I'm basing all this off recruiting hype. He has to be better than a few of the other sec qbs.</p>

8. UK- Hartline usually has the same amount of touchdowns and interceptions. I feel obligated to mention against Alabama last year he threw three of his eight picks, and all of them touched one of his recievers first. He is more experienced than most other players. Having Randall Cobb helps.
9. MSU- Relf's passing stats are terrible and his recievers deserve some of the blame. He ran for more yards than he passed in most games last year, and in some he didn't even get to throw. His running ability should help him be decent, and if he passes worth a **** he will be much higher on this list. Hopefully hewon't puff the magic dragon. Rivers needs some Bryan hot dogs so Farve won't be the third qb in 2011, which he won't since we are getting Garrett, Masoli, and Mustain.
10. Ole Miss- Stanley could be legit but he looked bad in the Cotton Bowl. That was his only game against a bcs opponent, and he went 2 of 7 for 3 yards, so thats why he is so low. </p>

11. Vandy- There qb has no wide recievers. He does have a few solid runningbacks. 4 tds, 7 picks, and he was sacked 20 times. He is a decent runner. I don't know how good the juco recruit is that they signed, but it was the first juco Johnson has ever signed so I'm assuming he thinks he could start.
12. UT- I'm not even sure who will start, my best guess is the juco Matt Sims. His only listed offer is from UT, and Tyler Bray only had offers from two other fbs schools. Dooley has to be pissed about what Kiffen left him here.</p>

Garcia might be a little high, and Jefferson might be too low. Relf is capable of being much higher, but looking at his passing stats from each game was not encouraging. Some of the stats have probably already been used, but I didn't read every word in the thread so thats why they are there again.</p>

 

[NewTweederEndzoneDance]

hopefully he's improved, but it appears that everyone is basing their expectations on the Egg Bowl. I remember the long TD pass he threw in that game wasn't even caught by the WR he threw it too...

Now if we run nothing but the option...

 

[Dollabillz]

his performance in obvious passing situations, like at ends of games. 2 minute offense and such, when running the ball isn't really that smart of an option. I'm betting he'll rack up yardage when it's feasible, but who's going to drive the length of the field with 3 minutes left to beat somebody? That guy may have to be Russell, that's why I think it's imperative he plays early and often.</p>

 

[codeDawg]

If he can keep up that level of play in the passing game through the regular season and couple it with his existing great running game, we will be in business.

 

[patdog]

He's got to show it in a real game before I'm going to be convinced. I think a lot of the reason so many people are convinced Relf is going to be much improved passing the ball is because they know if he's not we're in kind of deep **** at QB.

 

[Coach34]

his performance in obvious passing situations, like at ends of games. 2 minute offense and such, when running the ball isn't really that smart of an option. I'm betting he'll rack up yardage when it's feasible, but who's going to drive the length of the field with 3 minutes left to beat somebody? That guy may have to be Russell, that's why I think it's imperative he plays early and often.strong>p></p>

I just don't see us playing a guy that threw an INT on his 1st pass in the Spring Game alot of snaps against Auburn on Thursday night national TV, LSU in Tiger Stadium with 92K screaming Cajuns, and then home against Jawja in the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th games of his college career

 

[RebelBruiser]

Just sayin.

 

[Dollabillz]

specifically one you'd be interested in. The one after LSU, your real rival. Just sayin'.

Comparing Seth Adams to Chris Relf is beyond idiotic.

 

[Tito Cheeseburger Jr]

2007 vs. Missouri: 23-41, 305 yards, 3 TD 1 INT

Plenty of guys have had one or two good games.

 

[Dollabillz]

but there's still no comparison. Adams sucked and your results proved it. It's really not debatable.</p>

 

[RebelBruiser]

a game where he went 3-5 for 43 yards through the air. I'm pretty sure the discussion was on Relf's passing numbers in the spring game. He hasn't done ANYTHING in live action yet to make you think he can throw the ball consistently, mainly because he hasn't had the opportunity. He had a decent spring. Seth Adams had a decent spring and actually did have some decent live action games following it up before struggling late in the year.

If you're talking about throwing ability, comparing Relf to Adams is not unrealistic, and honestly Relf still hasn't proven he can throw it as consistently as Adams did.

Can Relf be a passing threat, a real passing threat? That's far from proven. Adams was not a good QB. Will Relf be better than not a good QB at throwing the ball? It's hard to say you know he will be. I know Dan Mullen won the Egg Bowl, which makes him Football Coaching Jesus to people like you, but if you're being honest with yourself, Relf will have to make dramatic strides this year to prove he can throw the football and not just be a running QB.

My point was to say that anyone can have a good spring, just like patdog said.

 

[Dollabillz]

Relf has faults like any other but he's proven that he's a superb athlete who can move the ball down the field. I've voiced by concerns about his play earlier in this thread. I don't give a damn if he runs or throws personally. Didn't need to throw to be able to beat ya'll overrated asses.

Seth Adams was a hard worker and good kid, but all he did for Ole Miss was get your *** beat a bunch of times and help Brent Schaeffer get motivated to play 2 games, which you still lost.

 

[RebelBruiser]

You are so sensitive. I was talking purely about his throwing ability, which you obviously agree with me about, since you've said you aren't completely sold on his throwing ability yet either.

But since I said it, you have to argue. In terms of throwing ability, he still has a lot to prove, and a good spring doesn't prove much. That was the point. You don't disagree, so why argue?

 

[codeDawg]

He's proven that he has improved in the passing game in practice. Let's see if he can keep it together during the regular season. He could end up a total bust, but I just don't feel like that is going to be the case.

 

[Dollabillz]

said "through the air" because the comparison of Relf to Adams was so ridiculous.

 

[o_hgsmith]

the worse SEC QB in history!

 

[OMlawdog]

Im pretty sure that Bruiser wins this argument, fairly easily.

QB's can have a few good games, and that doesn't mean ****. Omarr Conner had some good games, hell Kevin Fant had some damn good games, doesn't mean anything.

Relf did a great job running the option against Ole Miss last year, can't say anything to dispute that. Hell Robert Lane ran the ball pretty well against LSU and MSU in 2004, and that didn't mean anything. Hell he had close to 100 yards against MSU, didn't mean Lane was anything other than a mobile QB who had a good day against MSU. Nothing more, nothing less.

Relf is a damn good runner from the QB spot. He may become a solid passer as well, but that is yet to be seen.

 

[Dollabillz]

you can't see the forest for the trees. Seth Adams vs. Chris Relf is dumb. End of story, dude, no matter who you says wins the argument. Those guys you mentioned had terrible teams around them. And if you're going to talk about Adams anyway, you'd have to look at his stats before his junior year.

I considered Ole Miss to be a good defensive team last year. Do you disagree? Relf played well in other games last year, and many were clamoring for him to start.

 

[patdog]

Relf is a damn good runner from the QB spot. He may become a solid passer as well, but that is yet to be seen.

I thinkhe's got a decent chance to be an adequate passer. But he hasn't proven **** yet.

 

[codeDawg]

and raise you a Michael Henig