Daylan Smothers
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Having coached at the 3A and 4A levels in the Charlotte area, it is mind-blowing to me that all of this is just now starting to unfold. A blind eye had been turned to it for so long and now someone is actually doing something about it - good for them.
The kid will play a year of private school, head of to college and play football, and that will be that. When you play with fire long enough, eventually you are going to get burned.
And as for the Chambers coaches - these guys used to get on Twitter ALL THE TIME and talk about how good of coaches that they are and how much talent that they had over there. Now it is absolute radio silence from them, with most of them making their accounts private now or just deleting them altogether. I have zero sympathy for any of them - they knew what they were doing.
It is also amazing to me that Hough has stayed clean through all of this. Only a matter of time until they are popped, in my opinion.
The kid will play a year of private school, head of to college and play football, and that will be that. When you play with fire long enough, eventually you are going to get burned.
And as for the Chambers coaches - these guys used to get on Twitter ALL THE TIME and talk about how good of coaches that they are and how much talent that they had over there. Now it is absolute radio silence from them, with most of them making their accounts private now or just deleting them altogether. I have zero sympathy for any of them - they knew what they were doing.
It is also amazing to me that Hough has stayed clean through all of this. Only a matter of time until they are popped, in my opinion.
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It sounds like it's as simple as they are sour that he's leaving. I just don't understand that if you knew that you were cheating already why you would turn this one in. I get it - losing a 4-star RB is quite the hit to take, but it will only draw more attention to them (and CMS as a whole).
Like I have said before - all of those coaches over there knew/know what's going on. I mean come on...Ferebee leaving to go to VT, their women's basketball coach leaving abruptly (after winning another state championship - who I also know openly recruited some of their girls), other coaches getting out of their and deleting their social medias/making them private...where there is smoke, there is most likely fire. They all just didn't decide to leave for "better opportunities" - although I am sure that's what they will tell everyone.
You can bet one thing, though - the ones who's social media that you can still see won't take "State Champions" out of their bios!
Slimeballs. All of them.
100%. All the mess over there and they target one player because he decides to leave. Its unbelievable. All the transfers they have gotten in various sports and now they want to hammer a player when he decides to leave. Again if he had stayed at Chambers do you think they would have turned him in? Made him sit his sr. Year there with a new coach? Its personal and unfair to the athlete. SMH. Then they want to hide their hands and lock their social media.
You are 100% correct. If he stayed there, not a peep would have ever been said. It's okay to cheat as long as you don't get caught, right? Lol.100%. All the mess over there and they target one player because he decides to leave. Its unbelievable. All the transfers they have gotten in various sports and now they want to hammer a player when he decides to leave. Again if he had stayed at Chambers do you think they would have turned him in? Made him sit his sr. Year there with a new coach? Its personal and unfair to the athlete. SMH. Then they want to hide their hands and lock their social media.
I used to be in the "Wow, Vance/Chambers is doing big things over there now" crowd - now I am in the "I have lost total and all respect for anyone/everyone who was involved with any of that" crowd. It cheapens the accomplishments and the coaches who try and do things the right way are ultimately the ones who get punished.
This must be one of those moments all over the county "Listen AD and coaches, you either tell me now or I will find out myself. You choose"
Will there be heavy punishments?
Will there be heavy punishments?
FALSE. He was leaving well before anything was announced. He did not cheat either lets clear that up. He has been there since the 9th grade. Perceived issue comes up only after he has decided to leave. Chambers has had his info and knew his situation for 3 years.
Let's be a little
The first question to ask is Why did the MeCk AD take action? I doubt it was for a perceived issue as you claim. Stick to the facts as I think it its safe to assume that many more are being investigated. Sometimes making a high profile for one case gets everyone inline. I assume they had to have some cause to take such a drastic step? While message boards are great for conspiracy theories high quality discussions come from facts supported by independent basis or peer reviewed.
Notwithstanding the status of limitations for taking actions as based on the AD regulations and rules, It does not matter if Smother started playing for Chambers in the ninth grade if he claimed he was living in the Chambers district but was not actually living in the chambers district. If he knew and the Chambers administration knew then they are both in the wrong.
I don't really have anything to add about the punishment and if it fits the infraction. While relevant it is different discussion. However, any suggestion that the player starting in the ninth grade and perhaps the player and the school both knew or perhaps the player did a good job of misleading the school or the school did a good job of reporting an investigation without uncovering the truth is not relevant. Only if the facts as alleged are true. .
Has the school or the kids made any statement that denies the charges that CMS has alleged and ruled on.
It is funny, so many are complaining about those who do not play by the rules and now we are seeing some action being taken and I am wondering if the current board assessment is everyone does it just don't punish me because we are not as bad.
Let's be a little clearer with your statements as we all know you have a tendency to lean to your biases versus reporting facts;
The first question to ask is Why did the MeCk AD take action? I doubt it was for a perceived issue as you claim. Stick to the facts as I think it its safe to assume that many more are being investigated. Sometimes making a high profile for one case gets everyone inline. I assume they had to have some cause to take such a drastic step? While message boards are great for conspiracy theories high quality discussions come from facts supported by independent basis or peer reviewed.
Notwithstanding the status of limitations for taking actions as based on the AD regulations and rules, It does not matter if Smother started playing for Chambers in the ninth grade if he claimed he was living in the Chambers district but was not actually living in the chambers district. If he knew and the Chambers administration knew then they are both in the wrong.
I don't really have anything to add about the punishment and if it fits the infraction. While relevant it is different discussion. However, any suggestion that the player starting in the ninth grade and perhaps the player and the school both knew or perhaps the player did a good job of misleading the school or the school did a good job of reporting an investigation without uncovering the truth is not relevant. Only if the facts as alleged are true. .
Has the school or the kids made any statement that denies the charges that CMS has alleged and ruled on.
It is funny, so many are complaining about those who do not play by the rules and now we are seeing some action being taken and I am wondering if the current board assessment is everyone does it just don't punish me because we are not as bad.
100%. All the mess over there and they target one player because he decides to leave. Its unbelievable. All the transfers they have gotten in various sports and now they want to hammer a player when he decides to leave. Again if he had stayed at Chambers do you think they would have turned him in? Made him sit his sr. Year there with a new coach? Its personal and unfair to the athlete. SMH. Then they want to hide their hands and lock their social media.
not saying he cheated. he is an example of what happens when rules are in place and no one really bothers to explain the rules or enforce them and then a new regime comes in and decides to do so. I think what happened to him is BS. From my understanding he has 2 homes......but the one that CMS now deemed is where he actually resides is not the home that is on his paperwork. But that is 3rd hand info at best. But if that is the case it does not make him a cheater. as i have said i am not sure most AD's knew the actual rules until the new CMS AD made it more clear.
do you know if the rumor is true that the CMS AD sent out letters to kids who had been reported and told them that they could return to their home school for 365 by a certain date and if not they and their team would be subject to 365 and forfeits? That is a rumor that has been circling with coaches as well. Seems shady if they put this out and he complied only to get 365'd after complying. As i said that is just what some coaches are saying about all of this.
You are all over the place so not sure what you are asking. My point is that he has been there since the 9th grade is to note that Chambers has had his address/residency info for 3 years and there were no prior issues until the time he indicated he was moving on which was before any CMS crackdown or investigation and BEFORE Chambers self reported. His decision had nothing to do with a crackdown. Name me any other athlete that has been at a school for 3 years and THEN they had a residency eligibility issue their rising SR. year? Ask yourself an honest question. If he had stayed at Chambers would there even be a story?
No idea on that returning to home school stuff and being eligible. Many youth were notified of eligibility issues and them being 365. CMS is taking a hardline approach and it will backfire on them IMHO. Its biased and it punishes two parent households and children living between parents. It especially punishes football/basketball players disproportionately. Think a better way of handling this is to set a group of clear rules and to allow a child one free transfer to an open school w/o losing athletic eligibility. You can transfer for dance, math, IB, social studies, color guard, science, math science, better teachers, safer environment but not sports? Doesn't make sense to me. 2022-2023 should be a free year so everyone gets acclimated to the new AD and the new way CMS is approaching it. Having 3 teams forfeit after the season after clearing initial pw and suspending players for their SR year is too much IMHO if it didn't involve fraud. Again the target is clearly football/basketball and guess who plays the most football and basketball in CMS?
completely agree and as I said in another thread where i was attacked, the rules explained to coaches over the years are much different to the rules being explained this year. i try to share information to give people an idea of how this stuff can happen and fly under the radar and get attacked by other posters. I hope smothers gets to play somewhere this year as he is a real talent.
I don’t understand how the parents did not know, unless it’s different in Charlotte they use your address to see what school District you are in. Now as far as the kid goes unless he is 18 he has to obey his parents rules and he should not be punished. The school should allow him to play in his district Regardless of the situation because at the end of the day it’s not his fault.
Let’s be honest here. It happens behind the scenes. Coaches will never admit it but those within the inner circle know it goes on. And the privates, who do not have recruiting boundaries and are in many cases backed by the Archdiocese, are walking away with the vast majority of the talent by a large margin.
Recruiting just gives the impression sports are more important than the education.
Public schools that have kids use a different address within the schools boundaries so that they can get the kid into the school is a huge problem.
I think recruiting for sports and offering high school students a better environment with better education is two different things.
Recruiting just gives the impression sports are more important than the education.
Public schools that have kids use a different address within the schools boundaries so that they can get the kid into the school is a huge problem.
I think recruiting for sports and offering high school students a better environment with better education is two different things.
I’m am a Daylan Smother Fan - One of the best I have seen so with that being said; If they had evidence and all then rules are rules n county AD is laying down the law BUT my only issue is - Many other player have done this n I haven’t any other player get a 365, If they want to do it to Smothers then others need to follow n get a 365 too if other players are caught
if not - It’s totally …. But I will say this will have 0 affect on his recruitment n could be a blessing in disguise because he could go to private school n dominate like he has but I understand he has a chance to Graduate early so I’m curious if missing his senior year of HS could be on the table n he go right into College since he graduates early
if not - It’s totally …. But I will say this will have 0 affect on his recruitment n could be a blessing in disguise because he could go to private school n dominate like he has but I understand he has a chance to Graduate early so I’m curious if missing his senior year of HS could be on the table n he go right into College since he graduates early
CMS can accept an address without that address being ok for sports. Kid would sit 365 first year and then be good after that. One of the many things people may not understand about the rules. Being admitted to a school for your address does not mean you are eligible for athletics........
I am not all over the place I am very straight forward. You are not addressing the issue, a rule was either broken or not. Was he personally complicit in the rule being broken. Making statements about when he came in to school or not is irrelevant to if he and/or the school broke a rule. However, CMS gathered the information is not relevant either, only if the information is factual and gathered appropriately. Let me say it again, Was he personally complicit in the rule being broken? That is the only honest question. Everything else is just spin.
if you will, please clarify, Are just suggesting that CMS punished both the school the player without a rule being broken? If you have proof then I am sure that would be very valuable to share. However, what you have said so far is irrelevant and not addressing the honest question. I assume they found about Chambers issues first and his in the same time period on the investigation , However, because of the legal processes needed to deal with individual are generally more potentially litigious than a member school releasing information about an individual may follow at a later date. Using your words, Ask your self a basic question? Did he follow the rules? CMS says he did not, Did Chambers follow the Rules? CMS says they did not. Did MP follow the rules? CMS says they did not? I have not seen anything to suggest that CMS is practicing cowboy law and is probably being more hesitant that the READY FIRE AIM crowd reacting to each piece of spin that posters put out.
Are you suggesting no one else has been given the 365 recently?
So other words the kid lost his chance to make it big and can’t play no where . But the coach and who ever else is involved can just move on and coach some where else?
SMH
SMH
This is not going to stop him from playing at the highest level of college football.
I read that the dad is appealing the decision, but who knows how long that will take. Looks like his realistic choices are to either - a) wait for the appeal process to be heard and decided b) go to a private school and play his senior season or c) workout/lift/run and just graduate early and enroll wherever he is going to go in January.
This kid will not “lose his chance to make it big” - most college coaches won’t give a rats a** about this situation - the kid is a 4-star RB.
I do have a huge issue with the coaches who were involved though - all of them are getting off like nothing ever happened. Ferebee and all of his assistants should get a year ban from coaching, at minimum.
He's been there since the 9th grade. He would have arrived when Ferebee arrived. Just my opinion. I doubt very seriously if a new coach from Virginia came in recruiting a 8th grader. How would he have know, this kid was going to be a 4*?
They got 5 of our players. From what i know they were all legitimate moves. The Creek was pillaged from numerous teams when Palmieri left, and still made it to the 3rd round of the playoffs.
Everyone and their mother knew he would be a 4 or 5 star RB. That class from Ranson was well sought after all over CMS. He was just that good. He is an NFL player and will only get better in college. Some folks know about him, but he is a legend in the WC/Ranson community and him playing effects more than just on the field. Thats why this is so surprising as his career has been handled perfectly by his father and mother.
Make no mistake coaches are involved with these players well before high school and during high school as they mix teams and play 7 v7 , and go to youth games. The word gets out quickly as youth ball players that are serious train on HS fields, have HS/College trainers and are around many alumni who care about their school. Word easily gets out if you are legit.
I coached at James Martin for 6 years of their 9 year undefeated run. We had some Smohers like studs, and a lot of the them turned out to be the best in the City. A lot of the elite guys didn't end up being elite in High School.
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It is simple. Coach says, "if you want to play here you need to live in the district. CMS has a system in place for that." The parent then provides the needed documentation for residency. It all matches up unless it is physically checked out in various ways and who wants to ride around and check to see where a player lives when you really do not want to know the truth. I remember a principal told an HC to ride by an address late at night for a few nights and may be park down the street and watch the home. The HC told the principal he did not like to go in the neighborhood during the day and definitely would not go there at night.
So true. So true. Many depend on size or speed comparative to their peers and the gap closes in Highschool. MS still has a bunch of kids that are afraid to tackle and first timers. Then HS shows your true size/ability/ speed.
Have seen some of Charlottes best Fred Staton, Rod Chisolm, Brian Knuckles, Quake, Lindsey, Elijah Hood, Scoot Simmons, Crouch, and some of the states Shipley/White. IMHO Smothers is right behind WHite, Crouch, and tied with Shipley. His vision and ability to run in tight spaces is ELITE. Thats essential in college and the pros. he reminds me of Dalvin Cook.
IMHO Zamir White is the best RB i've ever seen. Crouch the best overall footballer in NC history. If Hollywood stays on course he will be an NFL player. Crouch was just too big to play RB. White's injuries slowed him down. With 2 ships, tons of awards and great health Hollywood sitting the year wouldn;t be a bad idea.
You forgot about Tj Logan,Todd Gurley, Keith Marshall..IMHO they were all better than him in HS.
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Ive SEEN. Never saw Gurley live but met him in Tarboro. Excellent person and great guy. Logan highlights are incredible. Marshall is great. All NFL guys.... Thats my point. Smothers is in that comparison of rb.
My bad..Yeah he’s definitely up there and has a lot of upside to his game.