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mugrat86

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Trying to figure out what OOC SOS should matter at all when our overall SOS is #39. Utah State should be in over us for having an OOC SOS 10 spots higher but an overall SOS of like 200 to our 39?? They would be 10-19 with our same schedule. It’s complete BS that Watchel all he ever focuses on is OOC SOS like it’s the #1 thing to grade teams on when in reality whether we went 18-13 or 0-31 this year the OOC SOS is exactly the same !!!
OOC SOS is the most overrated metric used. Overall SOS matters soooo much more

I'd only really consider it for smaller conferences. If they at least tried to have a stronger OOC schedule give them some credit

Rutgers overall SOS is 39. That's really good.
 

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OOC SOS is the most overrated metric used. Overall SOS matters soooo much more

I'd only really consider it for smaller conferences. If they at least tried to have a stronger OOC schedule give them some credit

Rutgers overall SOS is 39. That's really good.
OOC is only useful for comparing two teams in same conference
 
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You would be surprised.
Do people forget that he is a Rutgers graduate and worked for the MBB staff for three different coaches prior to SP?? He definitely is lurking on the the boards and I would be suprised if he is even commenting on this thread.
 
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OOC SOS is the most overrated metric used. Overall SOS matters soooo much more

I'd only really consider it for smaller conferences. If they at least tried to have a stronger OOC schedule give them some credit

Rutgers overall SOS is 39. That's really good.
Even BAC drives me nuts. We don’t play many OOC games. It’s the least important factor. And Miami, Temple, SHU, Wake and UMass Lowell were perfectly fine!!!

Jerry is so biased.

And Brad last two days is trying too hard with RU to be impartial that it’s affecting his analysis the wrong way.
 

mugrat86

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Even BAC drives me nuts. We don’t play many OOC games. It’s the least important factor. And Miami, Temple, SHU, Wake and UMass Lowell were perfectly fine!!!

Jerry is so biased.

And Brad last two days is trying too hard with RU to be impartial that it’s affecting his analysis the wrong way.
I agree 1000%. Why would it be important to know just out of conference schedule when over all strength of schedule tells you way more information and it includes both
 
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Not sure the best way to answer, but my thought process generally is a 40 pt result, either way (win or lose) is less representative of the two teams real quality than a competitive game that one team is “supposed” to win by 25.

Reason being for better or worse both teams in scenario 1 are checked out way before the game gets to 40, when in the latter scenario both teams are likely attempting to play their best ball.

Whether that should matter I don’t know. Certainly as literally translated it’s not. But I would consider this and would think committee might. Not sure how high of importance the committee puts on the overall NET relative to the rest of the team sheet but that’s another discussion.

The point is this. I don’t care how good Alabama is, on the day Vandy lost to them 101-44 they had to play horrendous. Playing like that, they would not have beaten UK and would’ve lost to many other teams too that they beat on days when they played better. Now suppose you flipped the opponents. Quite likely Vandy’s 7 point win over UK would’ve still been a loss with the same performance against Alabama. And with the effort they gave in the 101-44 loss, there’s no shot they beat UK. There’s also could be a reasonable shot they lose to a team like Fresno.

I’m not a MOV fan for power ranking purposes, because of the blending effect. It’s still only one game. But particularly on the loss side, it’s one heck of an awful performance and should by no means get bunched as a “quality” Q1 loss. That’s all I’m saying.
 
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PSAL_Hoops

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Exactly. If Paul, Caleb and Mag didn’t get hurt we’d be a 1 seed

Anyway, basically it will come down to this. If the committee focuses on your losses, we’ll be in Dayton. If they focus on the quality of your wins, we’ll be safe and maybe even a 10 seed.
I think we’re still okay with loss focus getting consideration as long as the games being played are actually reviewed. If there’s lazy reliance on the sorting tool to quickly assess the loss side - that’s where we’d get dinged the most.

All I have to say is - come on committee. Please don’t do the latter. Pitt lost to Michigan by 31 points. They lost to WVU by 25. Their last memory of Pitt is a 27 point loss to Duke in a game where Duke could’ve won by 50 if they wanted to. These are not good losses. Combine them with dreadful losses to Florida St and ND and Pitt hardly has a cleaner loss profile than us.

Then when you shift to the win side there is no comparison. We match their best win @NW. What else they got? @ NC State, Virginia, Miami and UNC sweep. That doesn’t even come close to trumping Indiana, Maryland, Michigan State (Garden), PSU (sweep), @ Wisconsin. The win @ Purdue is check mate with an exclamation point.

Unless all they look at are the quads…