DeAngelo Ramsey

[1MoreHokie]

forgotten RB in this area. It's odd to see him virtually never mentioned by fans or media when discussions of top area RBs come up but his numbers are ridiculous and easily worthy of mention. Almost sad to know he'll struggle to earn any postseason accolades because they're simply defaulted to whatever RBs tote the rock the most.

Last night vs Cburg: 7 carries, 246 yards, 4 TD

Season:

94 carries
1113 yards
11.8ypc
19 TD

3rd game this season where he's been shut down early with only single digit carries.

Plenty of quality RBs in the area like Basham, Thomas, Overstreet, etc. but if you gave Ramsey their carries he'd have absurd numbers. Keep in mind that's 7 games played and he still hasn't crested 100 carries.

 

[Shabutie]

His average per carry would probably be up near 15 without the Byrd game.

 

[1MoreHokie]

His average per carry would probably be up near 15 without the Byrd game.

I mean 12ypc with that bad game at Byrd(where everything was bad and we somehow won) is just dumb. Even recent successful Salem RBs weren't hitting these numbers and a lot of them ran behind better OLs to boot. Flat out, you give him Basham or Overstreet's carries and he's at or over 2000 yards already this season and probably in the 35-40 TD range. The only thing stopping him each week is Mags.

This run at :50 tonight was just fantastic and it wasn't even unexpected to me, it's just how he plays the game.

http://www.wdbj7.com/content/sports/Salem-at-Christiansburg-397124301.html

 

[mikesalem]

I mean 12ypc with that bad game at Byrd(where everything was bad and we somehow won) is just dumb. Even recent successful Salem RBs weren't hitting these numbers and a lot of them ran behind better OLs to boot. Flat out, you give him Basham or Overstreet's carries and he's at or over 2000 yards already this season and probably in the 35-40 TD range. The only thing stopping him each week is Mags.

This run at :50 tonight was just fantastic and it wasn't even unexpected to me, it's just how he plays the game.

http://www.wdbj7.com/content/sports/Salem-at-Christiansburg-397124301.html

Team ball, spread it around in Salem. Those other teams don't have the weapons Salem has. Mags is doing a good job of playing team ball and spreading the opportunities around. So many weapons Ramsey scored 4 TD's, the other scores came from 6 different Spartans. Fox, Tucker, Beckley, Robinson, Britton, and Delby (awesome special teams score) all had 1 TD apiece.

 

[southbottomU]

One of the problems is that if he had 10 more carries per game Salem would have been seen as running up the score on Northside, Hidden Valley, Blacksburg, Christiansburg, and Carroll County. But you are probably right, come post season the Roanoke times will look at numbers only, that and making sure they spread around the accolades so that it helps circulation.

 

[71ShadesofNavy]

Mike you are right on the money. Coach Mags is a very intellegent coach. This is a team game and he is doing the right thing to prepare the Spartans for the playoffs.

1. By keeping Ramsey's carries down he is keeping him fresh for the playoff grind. Isnt he a top defender as well? Maybe thats more important right now.

2. He is creating alternative weapons to keep teams honest.

3. Teams know who Ramsey is and what he can do. Come playoff time teams will scheme to stop Ramsey just like Byrd did. If they are succesful in stopping Ramsey you will be able to keep things rolling by having other weapons. See #2.

Numbers and media all teams like the timesland are not important to coaches. All region and all state teams are picked by the coaches. He will get his due.

The goal is to win and advance fellows. You guys are doing just that.

 

[Hoofprint]

Exactly

 

[cutnjump]

forgotten RB in this area. It's odd to see him virtually never mentioned by fans or media when discussions of top area RBs come up but his numbers are ridiculous and easily worthy of mention. Almost sad to know he'll struggle to earn any postseason accolades because they're simply defaulted to whatever RBs tote the rock the most.

Last night vs Cburg: 7 carries, 246 yards, 4 TD

Season:

94 carries
1113 yards
11.8ypc
19 TD

3rd game this season where he's been shut down early with only single digit carries.

Plenty of quality RBs in the area like Basham, Thomas, Overstreet, etc. but if you gave Ramsey their carries he'd have absurd numbers. Keep in mind that's 7 games played and he still hasn't crested 100 carries.

Ramsey will get his due as long as Salem keeps winning. To the victor go the spoils and the playoffs are where all region and all state accolades are earned. As far as his Times land competition goes that too hinges on the playoffs. He also has a chance next week against PH to state his case, however, it is very hard to debate a double digit ypc average coupled with scoring about 1 out of every 5 times you are touching the ball. There are some good backs in the area but, awards are given at the end of the season not 7 games in so your worries are probably a little premature.

 

[DEVILSLB99]

Ramsey will get his due as long as Salem keeps winning. To the victor go the spoils and the playoffs are where all region and all state accolades are earned. As far as his Times land competition goes that too hinges on the playoffs. He also has a chance next week against PH to state his case, however, it is very hard to debate a double digit ypc average coupled with scoring about 1 out of every 5 times you are touching the ball. There are some good backs in the area but, awards are given at the end of the season not 7 games in so your worries are probably a little premature.

I agree it feels like I have been here before...Salem back _____(insert name______ is killing, but he could really be killing if we weren't blowing teams out. Don't think it has had an impact in the past on the kids getting accolades and doubt it will now. A bunch of fodder about nothing.

 

[1MoreHokie]

Kid had all-state season at DE last year for the best D in the state and he didn't even make HM. Must just have gotten lost in the papers, I guess.

Word of mouth carries for accolades. Nobody was talking about the sophomore DE and he got no press for it. Same thing this year. If nobody talks about a player nobody knows. You never hear him mentioned in the same discussion as other area RBs or even discussed as a threat how others discuss Basham, Thomas, Overstreet, etc. He's a total unknown for most right now despite being a devastating runner.

 

[cutnjump]

Kid had all-state season at DE last year for the best D in the state and he didn't even make HM. Must just have gotten lost in the papers, I guess.

Word of mouth carries for accolades. Nobody was talking about the sophomore DE and he got no press for it. Same thing this year. If nobody talks about a player nobody knows. You never hear him mentioned in the same discussion as other area RBs or even discussed as a threat how others discuss Basham, Thomas, Overstreet, etc. He's a total unknown for most right now despite being a devastating runner.

Completely different scenario being a sophomore DE versus a junior RB and considering the different visibility of the positions and impact of stats. I do not disagree that he played well enough to garner recognition last year and did not get it, however, there are a lot of factors in addition to those mentioned already that probably factored in to that voting. As I said, while I believe an argument can be made that more recognition was deserved I do not believe it was the egregious miscarriage of justice you seem to believe it was.

 

[mikesalem]

Completely different scenario being a sophomore DE versus a junior RB and considering the different visibility of the positions and impact of stats. I do not disagree that he played well enough to garner recognition last year and did not get it, however, there are a lot of factors in addition to those mentioned already that probably factored in to that voting. As I said, while I believe an argument can be made that more recognition was deserved I do not believe it was the egregious miscarriage of justice you seem to believe it was.

It was pretty egregious if you consider 14.5 sacks and didn't get an honorable mention?

 

[1MoreHokie]

14.5 sacks, 20some TFL, 5 FF, 3 FR on a state title winning team with the best D in the state and nothing? That's pretty much the textbook definition of ignored.

Also these additional "factors" are why the coaches making these calls is the worst idea because it's just a bunch of guys in a room trying to make everyone happy by saying "you vote for my guy and I'll vote for yours" and that's not at all how it should work. It's the same reason nobody cares about the Coaches' Poll in college, because it's a bunch of old guys who don't watch anyone but their own team voting(if that, often its some GA).

 

[shauntclair]

Trust me, he has been noticed.

Mag's is using him correctly. He is best on defense. The fewer carries he gets on offense, the better. Plus, the Coach's All-State is selected weeks before the State Championship game. He was only a Sophomore last year. He'll get his due but there is political give and take involved. That won't change. Right or wrong. You just have to accept that.

Lastly, NONE of these things has anything to do with next level recruiting, which has not been mentioned but seems inferred here.

 

[cutnjump]

It was pretty egregious if you consider 14.5 sacks and didn't get an honorable mention?

As I said he deserved recognition, in my opinion. Without seeing the stats of those selected tough to debate but, there is no argument from me that the stat line would seem to warrant HM if not more. Sometimes sophomores wait their turn in voting just like they wait their turn to play their best position in an established program and an upper class man gets the lifetime achievement award over a possibly more deserving under class man. I don't believe that is a concept Salem fans are unfamiliar with.

 

[southbottomU]

A lot of disrespect going around. Channel 7 sports rating 1. Lord Botetout 2. Appomattox. 3. William Byrd. 4. Patrick Henry. 5. Salem. Last time I checked Salem beat Byrd

 

[1MoreHokie]

That's gotta be a typo. No other poll has Byrd above Salem nor is there any reasonable argument for it either. I'm sure that's just a mistake.

 

[Salemgal]

That's gotta be a typo. No other poll has Byrd above Salem nor is there any reasonable argument for it either. I'm sure that's just a mistake.

VSHL points have them ranked#2 and Salem as #4.

 

[southbottomU]

That's gotta be a typo. No other poll has Byrd above Salem nor is there any reasonable argument for it either. I'm sure that's just a mistake.

No typo, no mistake. Amherst sixth and Brookville seventh. Poll buster Fort Chiswell. Have not been able to find a link to tell them how ridiculous that is

 

[shauntclair]

So many years and so many just don't get it. It's WHO you play and WHAT you do when you play them.

If you don't think Salem has cruised to the playoffs for so many years because of their schedule, you're insane. I do give credit to the Spartans for having to beat 3 undefeated teams in a row to earn the State Championship last year. Despite the fact I think they were very fortunate and I would bet against them again, they have the ring. Congrats to them. They played as perfect a game as they were capable.

This is numbers. This is not the eye test. The end of the season is all that counts. Get to December and shut everyone up. GL to the Spartans.

 

[anon_vu6vqwsr4nf3b]

Isn't SEVEN state championships enough reason to stop talking about Salem's schedule?????

 

[shauntclair]

Isn't SEVEN state championships enough reason to stop talking about Salem's schedule?????

Absolutely not. You do not even get the opportunities without the schedule. It's why Salem got the opportunities they got since 2005. Weak opponents.

And this from the man who lost to WA Friday and couldn't get it done. Was that Coaching or the 3rd string JV Center or because you weren't playing. Perhaps it was your play calling. I'm sure there's another excuse available.

I am rooting for Louisa. I have friends there. Why do you act like a child?

 

[1MoreHokie]

Isn't SEVEN state championships enough reason to stop talking about Salem's schedule?????

He's not from Virginia, that's pretty much all you ever need to know about him.

 

[Shabutie]

So many years and so many just don't get it. It's WHO you play and WHAT you do when you play them.

If you don't think Salem has cruised to the playoffs for so many years because of their schedule, you're insane. I do give credit to the Spartans for having to beat 3 undefeated teams in a row to earn the State Championship last year. Despite the fact I think they were very fortunate and I would bet against them again, they have the ring. Congrats to them. They played as perfect a game as they were capable.

This is numbers. This is not the eye test. The end of the season is all that counts. Get to December and shut everyone up. GL to the Spartans.

I thought you were leaving the board again?

What years do you think Salem wouldn't have made the playoffs if they had a harder schedule? You do realize that the last three state championship teams would have made the playoffs regardless of schedule, right?

 

[southbottomU]

Wow. Shanty just wow

 

[shauntclair]

I thought you were leaving the board again?

What years do you think Salem wouldn't have made the playoffs if they had a harder schedule? You do realize that the last three state championship teams would have made the playoffs regardless of schedule, right?

You're gonna' go back to over a decade to make your argument? What does something that happened over a decade ago have to do with this year or the poopies Salem plays every year. I could throw Courtland's 4 State Championships at you. Even Spotsylvania has 3. is ANY of that consequential? Do you really want the numbers?

 

[SalemPride]

Absolutely not. You do not even get the opportunities without the schedule. It's why Salem got the opportunities they got since 2005. Weak opponents.

And this from the man who lost to WA Friday and couldn't get it done. Was that Coaching or the 3rd string JV Center or because you weren't playing. Perhaps it was your play calling. I'm sure there's another excuse available.

I am rooting for Louisa. I have friends there. Why do you act like a child?

This arguement makes absolutely no sense! So you are telling me that Salem wouldn't have made the playoffs or won as many championships if their regular season schedule were more difficult? Please tell me a year that Salem would not have made the playoffs with a more difficult schedule? Please tell me a year they wouldn't have won the Championship with a more difficult regular season schedule? If a team is good enough to win a State Championship I don't think the argument about their regular season schedule holds weight.

 

[1MoreHokie]

If Courtland or Spotsy were as good as they were back when those titles were won, sure. Spotsy has been abysmally bad for over 15 years now and Courtland, while having a few years of recent success, spent a whole lot of years at home during the playoffs.

Salem, meanwhile, is the definition of consistency. They've averaged more than 10 wins a season since 1983(they were AAA back then and guess what, they made state finals there as well). Schedules ebb and flow but Salem just doesn't.

 

[Shabutie]

You're gonna' go back to over a decade to make your argument? What does something that happened over a decade ago have to do with this year or the poopies Salem plays every year. I could throw Courtland's 4 State Championships at you. Even Spotsylvania has 3. is ANY of that consequential? Do you really want the numbers?

You went back to 2005 in your post.

The teams in the northern Va area are a little bit more competitive throughout the conference but do you really not think Salem would dominate up there? Instead of 66-7 a lot of the games would be more like 38-10 but they would still rarely be losing games during the season.

 

[anon_vu6vqwsr4nf3b]

Combine "holier than thou" arrogance, dementia, and zero reading comprehension skills, sober or not, and you have shauntclair. I agree @Shabutie. As long as Salem doesn't play the Briar Woods, Broad Run, Tuscarora or Stone Bridge teams of a few years ago, Salem would dominate that area year in and year out as well, and probably get more #1 seeds because of it. Gotta keep it real about Salem at this point, it is what it is.

 

[1MoreHokie]

When do any teams make a deep run in the playoffs and you can dare to call them paper tigers? When LT walloped Salem 2 years ago that was a Salem team that tore through every team in the West POs to get there, every bit as bad as Salem did to the West last year. If you're capable of winning 3-4+ games in the playoffs you're a good team, period.

 

[Shabutie]

It looks like he finally has a few things uploaded on his Hudl page. Not much but at least it is something.

http://www.hudl.com/profile/4087007/deangelo-ramsey

 

[1MoreHokie]

Re-watching that first play like 10 times just to see the Christiansburg players and coaches emotions do a 180 when they go from thinking they've got a TFL to seeing him turn field and score.