Dear Legion of Mediocrity:

Salty Sands Dawg

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Dear Legion of Mediocrity:

(This is long. Stop now if you don’t have time to read it)
I will preface what I’m about to say by stating that I rarely post anything online because I learn more about our people by reading what you post and observing the actions of those that sit (and I do emphasize sit) around me at games (home and away), as opposed to debating you. If you are easily offended and/or thin skinned, you are likely not going to appreciate or objectively handle what I’m about to say.

For what it is worth I believe most all of you truly want to see Mississippi State succeed in every aspect the University is capable of. However, there is now and has been a sizable faction of you all of my life that believes that Mississippi State’s rightful place in football is somewhere near the back of the bus and we should be satisfied with the crumbs that get swept on the floor. In other words splashing water every few years with a few more wins and a bowl game is analogous to some of your standards of success. Amazingly, many of you hold baseball to a much higher standard and let me remind you that program did not become consistently relevant until Ron Polk came to town in 1976. I’m convinced that basic psychology of listening to years of our country clay cousins reminding you of the glory days of John Vaught, other neighboring institutional success stories, our weak post-war history, combined with your own low self-esteem about Mississippi State has contributed to your way of thinking. With that said, it is now 2013, the game has changed, along with the environment, creating endless opportunities for success for most any school with the right leadership and attitude. The real question is do you have the guts as individuals and/or collectively to stand up and demand to our institutional leaders that you expect a first class product EVERY YEAR that does not embarrass us week after week! Remember they work for us, not the other way around.

For those of you, who enjoy debating the game and history with your Black Bear friends, keep in mind, many of those who claim to be supporters of the other school are some of the same ones that have carried that institution’s identity crisis for decades that they still cannot shake regardless of their efforts to repaint history. Oh and John Vaught last coached the other school 40 years ago this year after their genius leaders made the greatest mistake in modern school athletic history by letting the Kinards take over instead of hiring Bob Tyler in the winter of 1970! Although, they too have splashed water over the last four decades, they have not recovered from the Kinard mistake yet but continue to try and convince you otherwise.

As for you individually, what are your personal standards? I hope they are greater than the standards some of you post online that you hold Mississippi State Football to. This “wait til the end of the year” and “wait til next year approach”, along with addressing so called issues that have nothing to do with winning games is an obvious shield that you don’t want to address the real problems that are staring us in the face. WHY? Your approach is analogous to a ship captain that tells his crew let’s wait and see what happens when his ship is taking on water in the middle of the ocean! By the time you make a decision, it is simply too late because you were reactive as opposed to being proactive. An individual I have come to know in recent weeks pointed out just a few pages ago on this site (He isn’t your friend or family) that Dan Mullen is an employee, he’s not Mississippi State, and no individual is! Furthermore but for the fact that Mississippi State has made him a multi-millionaire he wouldn’t spit on Mississippi State! Take some pride in yourselves and defend the place you claim to love as opposed to falling all over a person who is arguably the highest paid public employee in the State. When you consider what he has made off of the backs of the true Mississippi State people and our institution do you REALLY believe we are getting what we are paying for after four and half years?

For you good people that continue to defend him by comparing him to the lowest common denominator you can think of whether that is Sylvester Croom, Charlie Shira or anyone else (as opposed to establishing a real standard), I would ask you to compare him to the more successful coaches since some of you hold him in such high regard. For example how does he stack up against Allyn McKeen 65-19-3, Bob Tyler 39-25-3 (on the field wins) or Jackie Sherrill 74-76-2 (on the field wins) during their first five years? Better than any previous coach, how does he rank where you expect a $2.6 million coach to be in year five?

I’m going to point out a few facts about Dan Mullen:
1. Dan Mullen is in the top 25 coaching salaries (#24) in the country at $2.6 million
2. Dan Mullen has to date compiled an overall record of 32-25 (56%), with an SEC record of 13-21 (38%) and a non-conference record of 19-4 (83%).
3. Dan Mullen’s teams have yet to secure a true signature win! Some might cite the Mississippi (#25) game of 2009 and/or the Florida (#22) game of 2010 but I would challenge either of those games since both teams were on a downhill slide at the edge of the top 25, only to fall out the next day.
4. Dan Mullen’s teams have not won more than 4 SEC games (2010 and 2012) in any year since his arrival in December of 2008. Again, Sylvester Croom did not surpass the four win SEC mark during his tenure and only reached it once, in 2007 when he was named SEC Coach of the Year.
5. Dan Mullen’s teams have not defeated a team in the top 20, 0-15 (0%)
6. Dan Mullen has hired four defensive coordinators in five years. To date, none of them have put an aggressive SEC style defense on the field. One might argue Manny Diaz was successful but again we won 4 SEC games in 2010 against mediocre programs (at the time) and we had several players on that defense that went onto the NFL. The bottom line, we under performed with the talent we had and Manny Diaz is among the unemployed today.
7. We have now lost 8 of our last 11 FBS games dating back to October of the 2012 season.
8. We have not defeated an FBS program that finished with a winning record since the Gator Bowl, January 1, 2011 (Michigan)
9. We have lost consecutive SEC games to programs that were in their first year of rebuilding:
a. Mississippi-2012, after losing 19 of their last 21 SEC games, including 14 consecutive in that same stretch
b. Auburn-2013, after losing 10 consecutive SEC games
c. Kentucky-2013, TBD
10. We lost the Gator Bowl this past January to a Northwestern program that had not won a bowl game since 1949!

I think it is fair to say Dan Mullen has raised the bar at Mississippi State but he has hit a plateau and we are now slipping backwards. Many of you are consumed with his overall record and ignore his SEC record. He is paid and paid well to recruit and develop athletes and prepare teams to win first and foremost in the SEC, not just the games “he is supposed to win” out of conference or against inferior opponents. Another factual analogy for those of you who like to use Croom as a comparison: Croom’s teams won 10 SEC games, Mullen’s teams have won 13 SEC games in almost the same period of time. Three SEC games are all that separates these two guys in our neighborhood record!!! Furthermore, Dan Mullen has had the resources and talent to win far more than 13 SEC games. Just a few that come to mind: LSU 2009, Arkansas 2010, Auburn 2011, South Carolina 2011, Mississippi 2012 and Auburn 2013. Several of these games were lost because of Dan Mullen’s inability to properly prepare for and manage big time games. In addition to citing Dan’s overall record, some of you like to throw out the “we’ve been to three straight bowl games” line. Again, its 2013 and 70 teams out of 124 FBS schools will go to bowl games this year. It’s not that hard to get to a bowl game in this day and age, regardless of what conference you play in.

For those of you old enough to remember, Bob Tyler is the one who showed Mississippi State we could win when the neighborhood environment was much tougher to win in and with a lot less resources! Since that time, our institutional leadership has had plenty of opportunities to select the right coaches but failed to recognize when it was time to pull the plug on their own mistakes, thus resulting in the program getting deeper into the abyss. Time and again coaches have been allowed to leave our program in worse condition than they found it because the leadership “waited until next year” or for some other stupid reason, thus creating a reactive situation. It is time to be proactive while we still have good talent and have the ability to get the right person to take this program to the next level before we return to the depths of the previous decade.

Some of you simply don’t believe we can win. If you are one of those people, I question why you’re here in the first place thinking that way. Furthermore, I wonder how you get out of bed in the morning. None the less, if you really think that way, I would challenge you to do a little homework on perennial college football doormats such as Oregon, Oregon State, Kansas State, Oklahoma State, Louisville, Miami and Virginia Tech to name a few. All of those programs have a common ingredient that took them from being big time losers to winners, institutional and athletic leadership! Some of you say we don’t have the resources to compete; that’s ********! We have the facilities, successful alumni all over the world and resources to compete and win in this conference right now! I expect those comments from people outside of Mississippi State but any so called leader or supporter that plays the “we don’t have” or “we can’t compete” card is simply giving the excuse to protect his/her own place in the Mississippi State trough because they are not competent enough to make the decisions necessary for success!

I don’t care who the coach is, Mississippi State’s success is where my concern and loyalty will always remain. WINNING is my FIRST, SECOND and THIRD priority and I will always support our coach until the time comes that his actions are taking away the ability for our program to continue to succeed and/or graduate to the next level because I’m a graduate and a fan of Mississippi State, not of some multi-million dollar employee who is not delivering his end of the bargain or backing up his mouth!

Having said all of that, I hope some of you can appreciate this perspective. Furthermore, I hope our leadership brakes with tradition and acts in a pro-active way so we can move onto the next level of success without repeating history first!
 
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gtowndawg

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I admit I'm on the fence with Dan....

but something deep down tells me it's time to cut him loose. And yes, I freely admit it's because we have someone (Hud) lined up that would step in. If we didn't know who we would hire (think basketball search) I would say keep Dan.
 

IBleedMaroonDawg

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Got it.






 

seshomoru

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I have great news for you.

Since you are unemployed, you probably qualify for a subsidy when signing up for insurance on one of the AFA exchanges.
 

Dawgbreeze

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Can't argue with facts and this is well written and factual

but something deep down tells me it's time to cut him loose. And yes, I freely admit it's because we have someone (Hud) lined up that would step in. If we didn't know who we would hire (think basketball search) I would say keep Dan.




MSU has consistently waited until the ship has sunk before being proactive and stopped it from happening. I, like many others, thought Dan was the answer but it seems he has gone backwards and unless he pulls a rabbit out of his hat, we will not even be 6-6 this year. I agree with the poster on most everything he posted. People crucified me for defending our former basketball coach and yet when comparing his SEC record to what we have now, there is no comparison. My biggest concern is do we have anybody who could hire a top coach and have a plan in place? We already know what happened in basketball and the book is still out on that, but with the monies we are paying out now plus the facilities we have to offer, there is no excuse for not being competitive and that does not mean we have to win the SEC every year but going less than .500 in the league consistently is ridiculous. I commend the poster for the post and some of us have watched this 40 plus years or more and our biggest enemies have always been our leaders(Presidents, AD's, and their buddies) who have run the athletic department. Whether I like our rivals or not, they make changes when they see the ship sinking, we could learn a lot from them.
 

RocketDawg

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That was hard to read. Something wrong with your space bar?

Otherwise, lots of useful information, and lots of good points, but I'm not quite ready to cut Dan loose just yet. And I don't necessarily think "Hud" is the answer when and if we do. He may be, but is really an unknown quantity as a head coach.
 

CadaverDawg

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That was hard to read. Something wrong with your space bar?

Otherwise, lots of useful information, and lots of good points, but I'm not quite ready to cut Dan loose just yet. And I don't necessarily think "Hud" is the answer when and if we do. He may be, but is really an unknown quantity as a head coach.

He has more head coaching experience than our last two coaches combined when they were hired.

But I still think we have to see how the season finishes for Mullen.
 

RocketDawg

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True, but both had zero head coaching experience so that's not saying much. Hud has had no major conference experience, other than what he got when he was at MSU.

As I said, he may be great. But I can't see firing Mullen (just yet) to experiment with how great he may be. I guess I still have confidence in Dan, but not as much as I once had. It's waning.
 

Indndawg

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That was truly hard to read

still, with most points I agree.

I think Dan needed sometime under his belt as a HC at a Youngstown State or Akron. Jumping straight from UF OC to an SEC school was a bridge too far. In retrospect, its looks like a reach when we hired him
 

RocketDawg

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We probably gave him too high a starting salary, and ran it up too rapidly just in an effort to keep him. According to Maslow, money isn't a motivator, and maybe he knows he's about reached his salary limit with us and has become complacent.

I don't know what his contract is like, but maybe we need to make it a bit more performance-based.
 

Indndawg

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I agree w/that. If he stays, I'd like to see his contract restructured. If he does not like this, hit the road
 

was21

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What would be ironical is if the opportunity arose and Hudspeth wasn't interested. It's doubtful that he will ever be the HC at State.
 

Crazy Dawg

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Freezes didn't have major conference experience. Granted he hasn't proved anything but to be a good recruiter.
 

jb1020

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This is the begging a of forward dawgs

But yeah...I agree with you. I told my 63 year old dad after the bowling green game we gotta start thinking about moving forward that Dan has peaked and I bet his heart rate jumped 40 points.
 

thatsbaseball

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Glad to see someone else who understands Bob Tyler`s impact on Mississippi college football. Ole Miss screwing up and not hiring him followed by us hiring him opened the biggest door way we`ll ever see to get ahead of Ole Miss in a big way. The only two things that could stop us did...the oh so honorable institution known as the NCAA and ourselves. I agree with everything this guy posted.
 

esplanade91

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I've got a thick skin being an MSU fan, so hypothetically speaking we fired Mullen and either hired Hud and he sucked or tried to hire him and he said no, I think I could handle a couple of years of ~.500. I truly believe Mullen wouldn't get a major job and we'd be here in 3 years crying we fired the next Saban.

Mullen is our Jeff Bower. He's a solid coach who is never going to be anything but slightly above average. He's not ever going to be so bad he'll deserve to be fired, you've just got to have the balls to do it. That paid out tenfold for USM (his replacement gave them their best year ever, and it's irrelevant where they are now because MSU can afford more than $1 mil for a coach).

Mullen had a shot at being a Pinkel but we shot our wad on his salary. Realistically he should be making $2.2, and that extra $500k we pay him is the difference in having assistants worth a **** and our losing record at the end of the season. Unfortunate for Mullen you can't cut his salary (recruiting, perception, "giving up", and pissing him off), just like you can't take back most benefits from people once you give them.

What's not being said is how we can win a lot of games next year regardless of who's coach. How much of Freeze's allure came from taking a horrible Ole Miss to a bowl game in year one? Forget the schedule. If Mullen wins us 9 games next year we're stuck with him regardless of how many losses he piles up for another 3 years. If Hud comes in and wins 8 in year one he's the in-state battle for recruits AND ESPN might choose him as one of their coaches they show how determine they like.
 

NCDawg.sixpack

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Glad to see someone else who understands Bob Tyler`s impact on Mississippi college football. Ole Miss screwing up and not hiring him followed by us hiring him opened the biggest door way we`ll ever see to get ahead of Ole Miss in a big way. The only two things that could stop us did...the oh so honorable institution known as the NCAA and ourselves. I agree with everything this guy posted.

Bob Tyler was indeed a good football coach. In hindsight, guess we shouldn't have given him the AD job also, but we did so to keep him from going elsewhere. Ole Miss turning us in to the NCAA for some mickey mouse charges are what brought him down, and of course, the NCAA slammed us harder than they would anyone else.
 

121Josey

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Thinking the Same Thing

Freezes didn't have major conference experience. Granted he hasn't proved anything but to be a good recruiter.

Don't act like the Sun Belt is devoid of innovative coaches. They're just missing the high-end talent. I watched the ULALA-W Kentucky game the other night and the team looked unathletic. But they kept to the game plan and steadily distanced themselves from Petrino Plus, the money that Hud has brought in is impressive.

In Freeze's defense, he plays top-tier teams better than Mullen and adjusts better than Mullen (probably a correlation between the two).
 

coach66

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Great post full of cogent points. I have always been a Hud guy but I'm not

at the point of wanting to run Dan off yet. Things that concern me about Dan are:

1) He doesn't seem to get the guys up for big games
2) He gets mad at the offense and fires defensive coaches
3) He has never been a great play caller even at Florida/Utah, he basically tries to run over people
4) He doesn't address issues with friends on his staff that need to be addressed (croomesque)
5) He doesn't go after and fight for highly ranked high school players very often (development program)
6) He's a seniority guy and doesn't always play the best players (i hate this)


With that said he has done many good things for MSU and I wish he could right his ship. His wife is an outstanding representative for our University and yes that is important.
 
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Topgundawg

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Interesting post! The area that concerned me is that Oregon, Oregon State, Kansas State, Oklahoma State, Louisville, Miami and Virginia Tech don't have near the conference schedule as teams in the SEC West. National champ teams Bama, LSU, and Auburn over the last couple of years would be tough on any coach we would of had. In any case, we have hit the top and with out some type of change we will continue to struggle. Just like every second half of ball this year.
 
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I think your Jeff Bower analogy is right on the money. We`re there now.
Bower is a great analogy. Bowl game every year. Now what. Fifteen or sixteen loses in a row. How does that work for you?

Reminds me of our lame brain basketball improvement plan. Many years of great success with Stans and now . . . things look rather lame at best.
 

was21

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Rick Clevelan predicted that Mississippi Southern would likely regret running Bowers off
 

was21

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Tyler wanted the AD job so he could direct the funding which was a smart move by him. Ironically, it was a tough two headed act combined with the powers that be in the state at that time being all OM, he couldn't beat the system.
 

boatsandhoes

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I'll make it short and sweet.

-I think we have as much talent now as we have ever had since I have been watching. I started following knowing what was going during Don Smith years. The only argument was maybe we had more pure talent when Jackie made the runs, but not as much depth. Our offensive lines/Defensive lines would straight smash your face in. the skilled starters were good, but I think we have more talented depth now. I am not sure if the above is because of the pussification of football, the spread, or just a general movement to finesse.
-I can't stand the guys we play now (compared to who is riding behind them), how we use them, or when we use them. Too many guys who should get a shot are sitting in my opinion. Maybe that is because of things I am not privy to like laziness, not learning your assignment, or breaking team rules, grades, or whatever. Play the best we have period.
-It depresses me to watch other teams with less talent move the ball at will. Then I look at us and think we have waaay better players than X team.
 

IBleedMaroonDawg

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Both.

Which is still my point. There was all this talk about we can get anyone we want to take Stans place and we get Ray. Ray still may be great, but we did not stay in our spot in the SEC upper half and this was due in part to both Stan and Ray not being a big hire to excite the recruits.
 

cmetin

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we have the weakest AD in the sec. check who he has hired in the past. He has only hired "yes people". all our problems can be placed at his feet.Look what has happened in the last 2 yrs. Please dont let him hire another coach, and another Rik Ray
 
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Just saying...

Be careful what you wish for.http://nashvillepost.com/blogs/post...essee_gets_recognition_in_sec_mens_basketball13th out of 14. Welcome to below mediocre.
13th out of 14. Ironic that you mention that since that is where we are (headed) in football. Hud or not, Dan is not the mad genius we all believed he was when hired. He has CONSISTENTLY proven that he has little to no in-game coaching ability. It's time. Yes, let him finish this season -- another bad one -- but after that it is time. It is not a down year type of thing. It is a body of work that he has accumulated since he started his head coaching tenure against JSU. The man cannot manage a game. This is coming from a former avid supporter of him. I was on board last season when we finished 1-5. Then, after the OSU game, I had had enough of it. I thought he could learn and change. Make adjustments DURING THE 17ing GAME!! But no... We got the same old, same old trash heap that was sold to us on a golden, egg-shaped platter. I've gotten to ranting so I digress...You mentioned 13th out of 14. That is where we are. If we lose to UK -- don't kid yourself, it is a possibility -- we are looking at a 1win SEC record, if we beat ARK. Good day to you.