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I was thinking about this today. I was one that said Jamont had no reason to come back because he could not improve his game further. His biggest problem was turnovers, and he never improved over 3 years so I wouldn't expect him to improve during his 4th. But seeing how well Bost plays the point, I'm convinced Gordon would be a beast on this team. I think taking away that burden of being the point guard would've improved his game in all aspects (more points, more rebounds, less turnovers). Also would help our 3-pt shooters get more open because teams might have to pay more attention to Gordon. Right now, we don't really have a go to playmaker like him.
Oh well, what might have been...
Oh well, what might have been...
This is the time of year when Charles decided to show up. We lose a lot on the backboards because of the four guard lineup. And with Jarvis often leaving his guy to attempt a blocked shot, we are relying on 3 guards under 6'4 and Ravern. Also, with Charles, we would have exactly what we are missing. We need an inside guy that can score on a consistent basis with his back to the basket. We dont have that. And that is the one thing that keeps this team from being a 3-5 seed in the NCAA Tourney and a "bubble" team.
While speaking of Jamont, how good would he have been in this 4 guard lineup. I think he would be playing the 4 and splitting PG duties. He would add a lot on the rebounding side of things. Also, he and Dee running in transition would have been something to see.
With that being said, i am enjoying watching this team grow each and every time they step on the floor. I think they may have grown up a little today.
While speaking of Jamont, how good would he have been in this 4 guard lineup. I think he would be playing the 4 and splitting PG duties. He would add a lot on the rebounding side of things. Also, he and Dee running in transition would have been something to see.
With that being said, i am enjoying watching this team grow each and every time they step on the floor. I think they may have grown up a little today.
Jamont would NOT play the 2 guard no matter what.
He would want to control the ball and run the offense through him as it had since he stepped on campus his freshmen year.
Seriously..you think if he came back for his senior year he is going to give up the ball with it being his last chance to show boat for scouts.
The team is now a team because he is gone, if he was still around this team would be nowhere near as good as it is.
Jamont could drive the lane because Charles and Jarvis were clearing the lane, we do not have that ability this year...thus why we do not have a great inside game.
Also Dee Bost would NOT be here if Jamont was still here.
He would want to control the ball and run the offense through him as it had since he stepped on campus his freshmen year.
Seriously..you think if he came back for his senior year he is going to give up the ball with it being his last chance to show boat for scouts.
The team is now a team because he is gone, if he was still around this team would be nowhere near as good as it is.
Jamont could drive the lane because Charles and Jarvis were clearing the lane, we do not have that ability this year...thus why we do not have a great inside game.
Also Dee Bost would NOT be here if Jamont was still here.
Charles was a senior. no more eligibility. Jamoney had eligibility left, yet chose to leave early.
the more I think about it I like this team better. No egos just getting the ball to the open man. It's refreshing.
I'm not sure why I'm replying to this, but here goes...ScoobaDawg said:
If Jamont came back, Twany wouldn't be here, Dee would.
The offense ran through Jamont because that's how Stans coached it. So apparently Stans thought he gave us the best chance to win even if you didn't.
To say that this team is now a team because he's gone seems odd to me. This year's team is shooting the ball 5% better than last year, which is pretty sizeable. If Jamont had a consistent three point shooter to dish it to, we would have been a much better team last year. That to me is one huge difference from last year to this year.
And if you compare the overall stats of Jamont and Dee, Jamont had a better average in points, rebounds, assists, and FG%. They have almost exactly the same FT%. And up until last night's crazy shooting by Dee, they had the same 3 point %. And then in the apparent huge margin in TO's, Jamont averaged 1.5 more a game than Dee. It's also worth mentoining that Jamont was a really good defender, probably the best man-to-man defender on the team.
That's my two cents on the situation.
I knew one player said they wouldn't of been here if jamont was still here and turns out it was twany who signed late. Not Dee
But are you really comparing Dee (a freshman) to jamont (the junior) and saying they are about the same player in stats? that proves just how great dee is as a PG as a freshman and the upside he has.
Jamont scored more becausse he was a linebacker playing pg and noone could stop him in the lane when he got into it. As I said earlier, it was easier for him to go in the lane with charles and jarvis opening the lane up
and not allowing the defense to crash hard on the only post player we have this season (jarvis). that would not be happening this year.
Anyone that really knows anything about the team, knows the relief that jamont is gone this season..with the team and the staff.
As people thought, Stans never had control of the offense while jamont was around.. he did what he wanted to, what was rick going to do bench him?
The offense did run through Jamont, and jamont was the offense. If you watched any games last season you saw the "stand around and watch jamont" offense.
But are you really comparing Dee (a freshman) to jamont (the junior) and saying they are about the same player in stats? that proves just how great dee is as a PG as a freshman and the upside he has.
Jamont scored more becausse he was a linebacker playing pg and noone could stop him in the lane when he got into it. As I said earlier, it was easier for him to go in the lane with charles and jarvis opening the lane up
and not allowing the defense to crash hard on the only post player we have this season (jarvis). that would not be happening this year.
Anyone that really knows anything about the team, knows the relief that jamont is gone this season..with the team and the staff.
As people thought, Stans never had control of the offense while jamont was around.. he did what he wanted to, what was rick going to do bench him?
The offense did run through Jamont, and jamont was the offense. If you watched any games last season you saw the "stand around and watch jamont" offense.
Uhh, is this a bad thing?ScoobaDawg said:
Yes, that is the normal mode of operation when a player does something a coach doesn't want him to do.
...that has had a better stat line than 25 points, 7 assists, and 0 turnovers. I know Curry has had huge scoring games, and good assist games, but any 0 turnover games?ScoobaDawg said:
Why ya quoting me?
Im in agreement that Dee is a great player.
Dee is not the offensive weapon Jamont is because they are entirely different kind of players.
Dee is a true pass-first PG, who can also shoot the 3 consistently (shooting at .351 overall and .375 in conference) averaging 10.5ppg
Jamont was the best athlete on the team who we ran the offense through, and averaged 17.2 ppg jr year
Jamont controlled the ball and took 24% of all our shot attempts last season and was hardly ever considered a 3pt threat shooting at a .312 clip
Dee has come a long way since the season began and is truly showing how talented he can be in the future.
It will be interesting to see next year if we go back to a "Big" lineup next season if he is able to develop a more attacking stlye to open up the inside-outside game.
A quick look to see how he played in the big lineup in limited time (9 games when Kodi was starting) he was hitting 3's at .380 and fg's at .320
Im in agreement that Dee is a great player.
Dee is not the offensive weapon Jamont is because they are entirely different kind of players.
Dee is a true pass-first PG, who can also shoot the 3 consistently (shooting at .351 overall and .375 in conference) averaging 10.5ppg
Jamont was the best athlete on the team who we ran the offense through, and averaged 17.2 ppg jr year
Jamont controlled the ball and took 24% of all our shot attempts last season and was hardly ever considered a 3pt threat shooting at a .312 clip
Dee has come a long way since the season began and is truly showing how talented he can be in the future.
It will be interesting to see next year if we go back to a "Big" lineup next season if he is able to develop a more attacking stlye to open up the inside-outside game.
A quick look to see how he played in the big lineup in limited time (9 games when Kodi was starting) he was hitting 3's at .380 and fg's at .320
As I stated several times already, No it is not a bad thing that he could drive the lane.
But the reason he could was because we had two big men on the inside.
That is not the cause this season... if you cant understand why you cant drive the lane when you have 4 guards passing the ball around the perimeter
and varnardo double teamed at the top of the free throw line, i dont know what to tell you.
and to your other part, yes that would be normal if you had control of your team and the players.
Stans did not have control of Jamont, many times he would call a play and Jamont did what he wanted.
You could not bench him, he was too good.. and uncoachable.
But the reason he could was because we had two big men on the inside.
That is not the cause this season... if you cant understand why you cant drive the lane when you have 4 guards passing the ball around the perimeter
and varnardo double teamed at the top of the free throw line, i dont know what to tell you.
and to your other part, yes that would be normal if you had control of your team and the players.
Stans did not have control of Jamont, many times he would call a play and Jamont did what he wanted.
You could not bench him, he was too good.. and uncoachable.
I'm done with this discussion. We obviously disagree on the Jamont issue.
Anyway I like Dee a lot and think he could be a really good player for us in the future. In lieu of the original topic, if we could have had Jamont this year, I think the aspects he could have brought the team would help us out.
Anyway I like Dee a lot and think he could be a really good player for us in the future. In lieu of the original topic, if we could have had Jamont this year, I think the aspects he could have brought the team would help us out.
As someone who is around the basketball program quite alot..
I can tell you its a welcome change he is gone, and its better for the team.
I can tell you its a welcome change he is gone, and its better for the team.
Yep. Its as simple as that. A coach is the leader of the team, and he calls the shots. the PG is the floor leader and helps set the coach's plans into action.ScoobaDawg said:
And when the PG, or any other player, doesnt do what they are supposed to...they are benched. That shows them that they need to do what is expected and asked of them, or they dont play.
Jamont's true position would be the 4, but Stans let him play the 1.
We actually play team ball now that J-Money is gone...
We actually play team ball now that J-Money is gone...