bolden and carey can co-exist...both bigs, both are gonna be in foul trouble a decent amount, both will prob be gassed alot
Deep team next year- possible exits?
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I'm not trying to be a jerk to anyone here or to any of our guys, but I'm just not seeing this depth problem a lot of people seem to be worried about. Sure, we'll have depth as far as bodies to play... but as far as skill/talent? People are talking about a handful of guys as if they're a lot better than I think they are, I guess.
We had 8 players average double figure minutes this year with Goldwire as the 9th man playing in 35 of the 38 games at 8.6mpg. With Tre returning and the potential of Ellis to be a solid combo guard, I could see Goldwire's role and minutes being about the same.
To me, Baker and White seem like the most likely to not get double digit minutes. White is a senior so maybe he will be like Vrankovic and just stick it out. Baker will probably play in most games at around 8mpg. AOC and Moore probably won't command as many minutes as Barrett and Reddish. Carey probably won't get as many minutes as Zion simply because of fatigue and foul trouble. Same with Bolden so that leaves plenty of minutes for Hurt and Javin.
Main rotation of 8
Jones
AOC
Moore
Carey
Bolden
Ellis
Hurt
DeLaurier
Will get minutes but probably fewer than 10mpg and may not play every game.
Goldwire
Baker
White
To me, Baker and White seem like the most likely to not get double digit minutes. White is a senior so maybe he will be like Vrankovic and just stick it out. Baker will probably play in most games at around 8mpg. AOC and Moore probably won't command as many minutes as Barrett and Reddish. Carey probably won't get as many minutes as Zion simply because of fatigue and foul trouble. Same with Bolden so that leaves plenty of minutes for Hurt and Javin.
Main rotation of 8
Jones
AOC
Moore
Carey
Bolden
Ellis
Hurt
DeLaurier
Will get minutes but probably fewer than 10mpg and may not play every game.
Goldwire
Baker
White
If early season White returns, he should be our 6th man or even our starting 4 depending on if Hurt comes.
Ahhh i forgot about White! Yeaaaa he’s not transferring coming from where he did to come to Duke!
I think White and Jav are the type kids who take a great deal of pride in being co-captains of the nation's top program. See both sticking, w/both Ques/AOC most likely to depart....
OFC
I agree with “most likely” but it ain’t happening!!!!!!!
Betcha half a dozen pick and rolls Ips!!! OFC
No disrespect to Bolden but I’m ok with him going to the NBA draft. He has shown flashes of superior skill but the flashes of it are purely based around effort. He’s had games where he asserts his physical frame dominantly and snags like Dennis Rodman. Most of the time his rebounding effort makes him look like Lopez brothers. I know he’s had a rough career and been injury plagued annually, I feel for the guy..... But I don’t like half-assed efforts.
And yeah, we do have a ton of depth but we aren’t going to rip a page out of Calipari’s book. It’s going to be a 7/8 man rotation. Going to have some unhappy guys, but when you sign to play for Duke this is what you sign up for. Aces in their places.
And yeah, we do have a ton of depth but we aren’t going to rip a page out of Calipari’s book. It’s going to be a 7/8 man rotation. Going to have some unhappy guys, but when you sign to play for Duke this is what you sign up for. Aces in their places.
I hate to say it, but yeah I’m ready to move on from Marques. Was it ever explained why he wasn’t a captain along with Javin and Jack?
Not to my knowledge. Coach isn’t going to explain why a player isn’t chosen as one because that’d virtually be talking down on him publicly. Wouldn’t be a good look.... My best guess is the fact that he’s pretty reserved, really has a quiet personality. Doesn’t seem emotional to me. That’s just a guess.
Yeah I definitely didn’t think anything public would be said as to why. Just thought maybe there were some rumors. I imagine your explanations were probably the reasons.
I know he played like garbage in the Canadian tour which was a huge disappointment because there was tons of bragging on his summer progress. We had a lot of injuries during that tour too, so it wasn’t like he didn’t have plenty opportunity to make a statement.
I’m just ready to use his scholarship on someone else. It’s been 3 years of disappointments from him. Injuries can set back a player but that’s a crutch because I’ve seen the effort he’s capable of playing with. It’s a shame that he doesn’t. Low motor.
Man i would love to have Bolden back. A senior, who has been through the wars. He was also injured this year, just as he was hitting his midseason stride, and he seems to recover slowly from injuries. Lose Bolden and we are thin in the frontcourt and cannot afford an injury. Younger too. Guess Jack should hit the weightroom and work on his shot. And if Bolden leaves we may need another body like Watford. But I doubt either is an upgrade over a senior Bolden.
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I’m glad you can remain optimistic about him, I feel bad that I can’t. I know injuries have littered his success but it’s been 3 straight years of disappointment. This year was the worst, he was supposedly having a great summer and ready for a break out year..... He didn’t do much of anything for us.
Carey and Javin being our only 2 Center positions will make us lack depth at the most foul prone position but I guarantee we will play a bunch of positionless ball with Matt Hurt at the 5 spot too. (If we get him, I think we will.)
I admit a lot of Bolden is "what if." You see little flashes and then it's gone. But Zoubek had a similar 3 year run and then blew up his senior year. I know, the old Zoubek senior year comparson ha. Also Javin tends to, you know, foul a bit.
That’s my problem with him. His flashes of talent is directly related to his effort. Specifically when it comes to rebounding. I’ve never seen a player who rebounds like Brook Lopez but can flip the switch to Dennis Rodman at any given time.
Good ol Brian Zoubek... You have a point but eh, you wouldn’t happen to think that it’s a coincidence his senior year break out just so happened to be Nate James’ first season as assistant coach would ya?
Zoubek was finally healthy and well conditioned. His junior year he would play great for the first 3 minutes he was in and then vanish or start fouling. That one Bolden game, the Auburn game I think , I was like this guy has turned a corner! But there is still big upside there and i think he's close if he comes back and we're patient.
I definitely want Bolden back. He's a very good defender, especially against the pick and roll. He's also a good rim protector that allows our guys on the perimeter to play much more aggressive. He's also got some post game and much better hands most of the time than Javin. He's not an elite rebounder, but nothing about him screams great rebounder other than his height.
I also don't see Hurt playing much time at the 5. Not even sure what lineup you could put out there you would want him at 5 with. Tre, AOC/Boogie, Baker, Moore? Maybe White for Baker or Moore? Those lineups are going to get murdered on the glass.
I also don't see Hurt playing much time at the 5. Not even sure what lineup you could put out there you would want him at 5 with. Tre, AOC/Boogie, Baker, Moore? Maybe White for Baker or Moore? Those lineups are going to get murdered on the glass.
what drives me crazy with Bolden (other than he is REALLY slow to go up with the ball) is he always settles for the left handed hook with absolutely no arc. I mean, he has to have a better shot than that to rely on. I'm guessing its because the opponent is always happy to let him have it and denies him the right hand layup. Young man, you gotta have a better signature shot!
- If Bolden comes back him and Javin are perfect at the 5. Carey/Jack at the 4. But I'm starting to think Bolden is bye bye. But we could use him for sure if he chooses to stay. I think Hurt might too skinny to play the 4. I like him better at the 3.
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It blows my mind how some can talk about having veterans and breaking away from all the one and dones. And then we have a guy like Ques who has battled injuries and a lot of adversity. Last year he showed tons of improvement and still has a year of eligibility. And some are ready to move on from him. Smh.
If people just got over the fact that he was a 5 star recruit I would guarantee you would feel different. People wanted to see more Vrank this year. Not because he was highly productive but because he was a lowly recruited guy that was serviceable in small spurts. See these guys for what they are and not what they were labeled as.
Exactly. And not saying this is the case for Ques specifically but not all classes nor players are the same. Just because someone is a five star in one class doesn’t guarantee production from a five star in another. Some are labeled five stars bc of where their upside is. Others are that good now. Some shock you, some disappoint. It’s not a perfect science, never has been and never will be.
But guess what, you try and field a team that gives you the best possible position to succeed. It doesn’t guarantee you anything but I’m sure everyone would have wanted to trade rosters with ours.
It’s an individual case here. It’s not about veteran players compared to one and dones.
Perhaps, but i think it’s a bit shortsighted and you can’t help but see the irony. Ques was solid and then goes down against unc and was never the same. People forget he went down in the wake game prior to that. Unlucky. Having a sophomore Tre defensively at the point and a veteran senior Bolden as the anchor will greatly help those young guys. Especially Hurt who is no defensive stalwart.
Man I love bolden. I want him to be here next year. I don’t get the jav love but bolden hate crowd.
If you look at all returning bench players (for arguments sake consider both Ques and Javin bench players because neither solidified themself as the 5 starter) and you look at the entire year and total production. Ques was our biggest asset. And he improved greatly between his sophomore and junior year. I don’t see how anyone would want to move on from that? The kid has accepted every role we have given him and has given it his all. Anyone saying he appears to be going half speed is nuts. His personality is not outgoing, by all accounts he’s very reserved. But I see him giving it his all each time he’s out there.
I want Bolden back, don't think he will return though, think he's set on beginning his pro career a year early, just a hunch. Bolden leaving probably increases our Hurt chances though.
Who cares about Bolden on offense, anything he gives on that end is extra, especially given Carey is gonna be a monster next year. Bolden's defensive improvement and his ability to guard a quick dude 25 feet from the rim and COVER HIM stride by stride all the way to the hoop this year was AMAZING. I don't get the hate, his defense was really good (outside of occasionally fouling too much), and it's crazy to think he could still get better.
Plus....we really don't have a TRUE 5 without Bolden next year. Javin only played 5 out of necessity this year and also because he can't shoot further than 2 feet away. Hurt is nowhere near a 5.
Carey could play the 5 but we would be giving up a lot on defense.
Who cares about Bolden on offense, anything he gives on that end is extra, especially given Carey is gonna be a monster next year. Bolden's defensive improvement and his ability to guard a quick dude 25 feet from the rim and COVER HIM stride by stride all the way to the hoop this year was AMAZING. I don't get the hate, his defense was really good (outside of occasionally fouling too much), and it's crazy to think he could still get better.
Plus....we really don't have a TRUE 5 without Bolden next year. Javin only played 5 out of necessity this year and also because he can't shoot further than 2 feet away. Hurt is nowhere near a 5.
Carey could play the 5 but we would be giving up a lot on defense.
It’s nothing against Bolden. He’s just not as good as Duke has needed him to be. We keep blaming his lack of progress on injuries. That’s being a Duke fan with blinders on. The only offensive move he shows is the left handed hook over his right shoulder.
I think he’s a good teammate, but wish he was a better player than he has been.
I think he’s a good teammate, but wish he was a better player than he has been.
Doesn’t seem like there will be enough minutes for both Carey and Bolden though. So at this point I’m willing to take my chances with Carey.
I like Ques, I just think this upcoming season may be shaping up where he is the odd man out. And he also might find that turning pro is in his best interests at this point.
I was going to comment on the same thing. I had a long post started and deleted it. Told myself I'm not even going to engage in some of this talk. Some peoples mind changes daily or forget what they posted prior. As long as a kid puts on that Duke jersey, I'm with him from day one until he takes it off. I'm a proud Die hard Duke fan growing up in NC, and the day I say I'm ready to move on from a player, or dog a player out, then I'll turn in my Duke fan card. Grown men behind a keyboard, with probably no basketball skills to save their lives are always the most critical.
One thing I learned about this board, no matter what good news comes our way, seems like it's mandatory to have a few Debbie downers sprinkle in some comments that just make me SMDH. Just my 2 cents and I'm done lol.