Definition of mediocre.

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44 wins. 45 losses. WVU'S record in the Big 12 - 2, soon to be the Big 12 + 2, before becoming the Big 12.
 

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It's being changed to the Big Refrigerator Conference since it contains all the leftovers. This is the rumored new logo...

 

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Someone who continually comes on a message board and starts a thread about the same topic over and over again must have a mediocre life.
Over and over again lol. Btw what name are you going to use to answer me this time? You truly are slow witted aren't you? As your lover in the White House would say..."Come on man!"
 

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Over and over again lol. Btw what name are you going to use to answer me this time? You truly are slow witted aren't you? As your lover in the White House would say..."Come on man!"
Mediocre response as usual. I guess I shouldn't expect much from the patron saint of mediocrity.
 

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This is Neal Brown's make or break year, imo. If we suck again this year Shayne will have no choice but to find someone else. And on top of that, we have to ditch this woke garbage. We've sucked ever since we went woke. Get woke, go broke. No one really wants that ******** and its ruining kids and young adults....and sports, and entertainment in general. Its basically tearing our culture and society apart right in front of our eyes.
 

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And how does this apply to WVU sports?
WVU athletics generally, but not always perform well above the standing as a state. WV is a poor state without the financial resources of most of our peers and without the volume of quality in-state athletes that many other schools.

So, for our population and financial resources, having mediocre sports teams would be over-performing. Overall, I think we overachieve in sports at WVU.
 

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WVU athletics generally, but not always perform well above the standing as a state. WV is a poor state without the financial resources of most of our peers and without the volume of quality in-state athletes that many other schools.

So, for our population and financial resources, having mediocre sports teams would be over-performing. Overall, I think we overachieve in sports at WVU.
State population has zero...zero...to do with athletic achievement ...or in our case... lack of.
 

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State population has zero...zero...to do with athletic achievement ...or in our case... lack of.
You’re wrong about that. But then, your wrong about virtually everything.

How many national championships have Alaska, Wyoming, North Dakota, South Dakota, Maine, Vermont, New Hampshire, and West Virginia won? Population isn’t the only thing that counts, but it’s a factor. I wonder if % black population would correlate with athletic success?

  • Mississippi (38.77%)
  • Louisiana (33.71%)
  • Maryland (31.55%)
  • Georgia (31.42%)
  • Alabama (27.09%)
  • South Carolina (26.40%)
  • Delaware (23.00%)
  • North Carolina (21.84%)
 
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WVU
Dana Holgorsen (Big 12) (2012–2018) 7 seasons
51-38

Neal Brown (Big 12) (2019–present) 3 seasons
17-18

so, through our first 10 seasons, WVU is 68-56

Baylor was 28-84 in their first 10 Big12 seasons...

Dana Holgorsen Big 12 Conference Only 33 - 30
Dana first 3 Big 12 seasons 11-16 (4-5, 2-7, 5-4)
Neal Brown Big 12 Conference Only 11-15 (3-6, 4-4, 4-5)

After 3 years Neal on par with Dana's Big 12 slop. Will they keep Neal 7 years? I seriously doubt it at this rate.

Since WVU & TCU joined Big 12

Oklahoma 75-14
OSU 58-32
Baylor 52-38
KSU 50-40
Texas 49-41
TCU 47-43
WVU 44-45
ISU 38-52
Texas Tech 31-49
Kansas 6-84 (one of those wins was against Dana's 2013 WVU team)

Looks like a lot of mediocrity in Big 12 except Oklahoma.
 

Rootmaster

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WVU
Dana Holgorsen (Big 12) (2012–2018) 7 seasons
51-38

Neal Brown (Big 12) (2019–present) 3 seasons

17-18

so, through our first 10 seasons, WVU is 68-56

Baylor was 28-84 in their first 10 Big12 seasons...
Let me say this real slow for you...record in the Big 12 is 44-45. Not talking about annual slugfests with Towson...Youngstown State...etc.lol
 

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You’re wrong about that. But then, your wrong about virtually everything.

How many national championships have Alaska, Wyoming, North Dakota, South Dakota, Maine, Vermont, New Hampshire, and West Virginia won? Population isn’t the only thing that counts, but it’s a factor. I wonder if % black population would correlate with athletic success?

  • Mississippi (38.77%)
  • Louisiana (33.71%)
  • Maryland (31.55%)
  • Georgia (31.42%)
  • Alabama (27.09%)
  • South Carolina (26.40%)
  • Delaware (23.00%)
  • North Carolina (21.84%)

Not sure what you are getting at...but it sounds an awful lot like you mean white athletes can't jump...run...or compete nearly as well as their black counterparts. That would be more than a little anti white racist so I'm sure you didnt mean that. Right?
 

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Personally I cant stand the Big 12 and its air raid ********. This conference, except OU (for a bit) has forgotten how to play defense. Its all about scoring 50 points per game. There are so many shootouts in the B12 its boring to watch anymore. Maybe it should be exciting watching a bunch of air raid teams air raid each other, but its not to me. Often times who wins the game is who gets the ball last. Dont like it, dont think it ever fit us. The funny thing though, our defense has been the strength of the team the last 2-3 years since Neal took over. But it could just seem that way because of how dismal his brand of the air raid has been. Blah.
 

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Personally I cant stand the Big 12 and its air raid ********. This conference, except OU (for a bit) has forgotten how to play defense. Its all about scoring 50 points per game. There are so many shootouts in the B12 its boring to watch anymore. Maybe it should be exciting watching a bunch of air raid teams air raid each other, but its not to me. Often times who wins the game is who gets the ball last. Dont like it, dont think it ever fit us. The funny thing though, our defense has been the strength of the team the last 2-3 years since Neal took over. But it could just seem that way because of how dismal his brand of the air raid has been. Blah.
What have you been watching? The majority of the big 12 is not running the air raid these days. Oklahoma state only scored over 50 points in 2 games last season. Baylor only did it once. The only team that really uses the air raid Is Oklahoma but those days will be gone with Venables.
 

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What have you been watching? The majority of the big 12 is not running the air raid these days. Oklahoma state only scored over 50 points in 2 games last season. Baylor only did it once. The only team that really uses the air raid Is Oklahoma but those days will be gone with Venables.
Air Raid was used to develop into another offense called the "Power Raid". The Power Raid is now used by top offensive teams such as Oklahoma, North Texas, UNC, SMU, and Houston.

The Power Raid offense combines the best of the smash mouth, downhill, power run game, with the finesse of the Air Raid passing game. Essentially Mike Leach’s passing game married with Gus Malzhans’ power run game. This offense is producing record-breaking numbers in college football.

In the Air Raid if you are not completing passes, the run game is non-effective.

New “Power Raid

Formations: Shotgun, 3-4 WR, 1-2 RB, 1 Sniffer, 1 Wing Back, 1 TE who will play TE and line up in the backfield

Quick Game Passes: 6, 617/619, 618, 8, 66

Deep Pass: 91, 92, 93, 94, 95, 96, 98

Screens: Multiple screens and jailbreaks

Runs: Power, Counter, IZ Zone, Midzone, Jet Sweep, Buck Sweep

RPO’s: Any Run can be combined with any Quick Pass

Play Action: Right in the Middle

Other Differences: OL splits are about 2 feet. More balance between run and pass, but it can lean one way or the other based on the game plan.

Bottom Line: Great pass game and great run game. Can be as simple or complex as you want it to be. You can be as creative as you want to be.

So why run the Power Raid:

QB Friendly
– The Power Raid is 100% QB friendly. The complexity or simplicity of the offense will depend on your QB. If they are smart and can process alot, then the playbook opens up even further without installing new plays. For example, the RPO game. WR’s run the pass route, OL and RB executes the run, and the QB makes the decision. Also the QB can check the offense on the line based off of the defense. However if you have a QB who cant process as well and is more athletic, the offense can be fit and molded to his strengths.

Its not 1 dimensional: Stated previously, if the pass isnt working in the Air raid the run game isn’t going to bail you out. In the Power Raid the run game can save your life and open the pass back up.

Hard to defend: This offense allows you to be creative. You can line up one way, and do something completely different. The offense is designed to make the most use of your best athletes. Once the players know the concepts, they can line up anywhere on the field and run the play from a different position. Defenses cant get too wild on pressure and alignment. If they do the offense allows you hit them where they aren't.

Everything evolves over time. At one point the forward pass in football was illegal. As offensives have evolved so have the philosophies behind them. When you look at the traditional Air Raid vs. the new Power Raid, it’s safe to say that is its the marriage of two popular offenses. In summary, the new Power Raid can be as complex as you want it to be or as simple. The Air Raid is great because of simplicity but if your players and QB can handle more, the Power Raid might be worth looking into more.