Deshea Townsend may be Mullen's best hire to date

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I'm looking forward to the new personality of our defense between Collins and Townsend. Having a guy with this much NFL experience should pay some dividends in recruiting very soon, IMO.

http://hailstatebeat.wordpress.com/...nsend-making-big-impression-as-corners-coach/



“I love being around Coach Townsend,” senior linebacker Deontae Skinner said after the drill. “He’s always fun, he always has juice, he’s always looking to excite everybody. I love it. He’s got swag. I just like to be around him.


“We have a good relationship with him,” sophomore corner Taveze Calhoun said. “It’s also good because he was a college player and played in the NFL, so he understands what we’re going through. It’s easy to relate to him and for him to relate to us.
 

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Everyone should take the time to go read this. Tremendous article.

Seems like the perfect hire for Collins, who by all accounts, has been trying to get defensive players to not only know their assignment on plays, but the assignments of all the guys around them... This article goes in depth about that...

Another advantage with that is you become prettymuch unlimited from an alignment and "looks" standpoint with "the personnel on the field" if they know how to play multiple "positions" like we're apparently trying to teach them. Anotherwords, it gives you a bit of a trump card to what a hurry-up spread tries to do(confuse you and make you keep the same personnel on the field -- thus most often in the same look defensively)... We've got guys that allow us to go from a 4-3 to a 3-4 to a 4-2-5 to a 3-3-5 without even substituting. Of course, the lynchpin in REALLY making that work is Nick James living up to billing as a true 3-4 NT(he's the only one we've got that I'm confident truly fits that role). We've got several guys that are hybrid linebackers and can kick out to cover(Wells mainly)...
 

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At least going into the first game Townsend probably has the toughest and most important job on the entire staff. How well our young secondary comes into the game prepared to defend the OSU passing attack will go a long way in determining what our chances are to win that game.
 

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Difference ...

in a ho-hum season and an outstanding one, to me, is going to be just 'how' aggressive the defense becomes. Hopefully, Collins has learned from the issues we had last year. We grew more and more tentitive and it showed as we progressed through the season until the last six games when it became glaring. Seemed like the secondary had absolutely 'no faith' in the DL or DEs putting any pressure on the QB and we seldom did. Third and eight ... three man rush ... pass cmpleted for ten yards. Meanwhile the secondary was playing on their heels.

If Collins and Townsend can disguise, change things up, bring the heat ... from the DL, Ends, LBs and Secondary, this team has a chance to be special. The offense 'feeds' off the defense. It's human nature. When the defense is agressive ... gets a big TO or sack, gets a quick '3 & out,' has a big stop in the red zone ... the offense just has a huge lift to 'do their part.'

Townsend is a huge part of this equation.

Good article.
 

engie

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This is what we know about Collins last stop at FIU...Bold is the defense while he was there...(all numbers represent national rankings 1-120)...



They also got worse in giving up "big plays". It's a more gambling defense.

Basically, this defense is going to be alot more Manny Diaz than Chris Wilson IMO... which I like... Every really good team we've ever had at MSU had aggressive, risk-taking defenses.
 

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clearly, a banana in his pocket.

i hope townsend is a beast, but if he is any good, bama or somebody else with way more money is going to swoop in and take him from us.....all our better coaches that have talent outside of the norm get taken away. lets hope townsend is good, but not good enough to draw a bunch of eyes. im tired of losing our best assistants....how can we expect to be consistent when we are replacing key staffers every year?
 

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clearly, a banana in his pocket.

i hope townsend is a beast, but if he is any good, bama or somebody else with way more money is going to swoop in and take him from us.....all our better coaches that have talent outside of the norm get taken away. lets hope townsend is good, but not good enough to draw a bunch of eyes. im tired of losing our best assistants....how can we expect to be consistent when we are replacing key staffers every year?

Completely agree! This is something that we need to fix, not sure how.
 

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Only took 7 posts for someone to find the negative in the article!

clearly, a banana in his pocket.

i hope townsend is a beast, but if he is any good, bama or somebody else with way more money is going to swoop in and take him from us.....all our better coaches that have talent outside of the norm get taken away. lets hope townsend is good, but not good enough to draw a bunch of eyes. im tired of losing our best assistants....how can we expect to be consistent when we are replacing key staffers every year?

Granted I agree with your sentiments, we should be happy that our head coach seems to have a knack for recognize talent in players and coaches. I think Collins as DC, Turner as DL (maybe best hire), and DT were fantastic moves. I expect our Defense to be much better.

And if someone swoops in to get DT, well we'll just find the next young whippersnapper.
 

121Josey

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This energy will translate from the practice field to the game field. I'm ready to lose the poker faces and see the team have some fun on Saturdays.
 

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I don't understand ever wanting to be average or "good but not too good"...

His family is from Mississippi. His wife and kids have live here. He's not just going to roll out to the first bidder to come along. Could Bama take him? I'm sure. But they just hired a new CB coach right before we got Deshea and I'm not so sure anyone else in the college game could take him. Maybe Ole Miss right beside his hometown(where his wife and kids live(d) over the past few years)...

Let's get serious -- it's NOT about MONEY to Deshea Townsend at this point. He made over $25 million in his career and by all accounts has saved and invested wisely and never HAS to work again. He just loves the game and loves teaching it...

Why is everyone forgetting about the Smoot in the room that is still waiting and wanting to get back here? And the Moulds?

Hell, we've got Sleepy and Porkchop back already...These are guys that I'd think would want to stay at MSU until we ran them off -- if/when they ever get their chance(of course, maybe not in their current positions -- but as long as they have reasonable advancement opportunities)...
 
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Granted I agree with your sentiments, we should be happy that our head coach seems to have a knack for recognize talent in players and coaches. I think Collins as DC, Turner as DL (maybe best hire), and DT were fantastic moves. I expect our Defense to be much better.

And if someone swoops in to get DT, well we'll just find the next young whippersnapper.

im not trying to be negative, just pointing out the fact that it seems to be a common theme under mullen. they are all being paid very well, but our past is working against us in this regard. did the seal $ have any stipulations about where money could be allocated in retaining coaches, or is it strictly hc retention? im truly ill-informed on the matter, so nobody jump down my throat.

also, finding the next young whippersnapper has had its problems. diaz's whippersnapper lead to a massive waste of on the field talent, another young whippersnapper got us in serious hot water with the ncaa after we gave him a position coach role when the year before he was a grad assistant....totally inexperienced, and our recruiting guru was hired right our from under us after working for one year and we are currently still suffering from that, as he tries to pull players to fsu. not exactly a pattern of success....

and i say all of this to point out that if we fail to identify the problem or skirt around what is really happening, we are destined to repeat it, and in our case, we have a problem holding on to good assistants because the guys waiting in the wings have hurt us more than helped. i like the townsend hire A LOT, but i for one wont be shocked when he goes looking for greener pastures until we commit ourselves to doing everything we can to keep them in-house. thats my larger point....we have to make a commitment to keep our better guys, not just assume the next guy is ready to take the reigns.
 

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The bottom line is we've just got to pay assistant coaches better. Collins is the lowest paid DC in the conference by like $150k...

That said, NO amount of money was going to hold Diaz here -- and no amount was going to hold Brewster. They are looking to be head coaches and have no preexisting ties to Mississippi or MSU, and that can't be overcome unless you go full retard with the money(we can pay competitively -- but we can't get in a pricing war with Texas). Deshea does have pre-existing ties to the state. That's the difference between him specifically and some of the other hires we've made...

Mullen has hired several of the best and brightest. The fact that they get better opportunities sucks for us -- but the unseen benefit is that it also helps us in the future, both in that it makes it EASIER for us to turn right around and snag another great assistant -- as we did this offseason with all 3 of our hires -- and we're allowing guys to move up to opportunities that would one day potentially let them come back and be our head coach here(Hud and Diaz specifically).

Hudspeth is the one that will eventually put together a "longterm" staff at MSU...because he has all the ties to the area and the understanding of what it would take to make it happen. He also has the support of our booster structure to a crazy extent -- and could/would manage to get our assistant coaches paid whatever it took to keep them here.
 

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Acknowledging this issue doesn't make us look inferior, so we can't trumpet that.

Facing this hurdle is absolutely something something we must do, and I think we have. So has Ole Miss, though. We seem to be targeting former players and MS natives (who in essence will be harder to lure away). This is good outside the box thinking.
 

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The bottom line is we've just got to pay assistant coaches better. Collins is the lowest paid DC in the conference by like $150k...

That said, NO amount of money was going to hold Diaz here -- and no amount was going to hold Brewster. They are looking to be head coaches and have no preexisting ties to Mississippi or MSU, and that can't be overcome unless you go full retard with the money(we can pay competitively -- but we can't get in a pricing war with Texas). Deshea does have pre-existing ties to the state. That's the difference between him specifically and some of the other hires we've made...

Mullen has hired several of the best and brightest. The fact that they get better opportunities sucks for us -- but the unseen benefit is that it also helps us in the future, both in that it makes it EASIER for us to turn right around and snag another great assistant -- as we did this offseason with all 3 of our hires -- and we're allowing guys to move up to opportunities that would one day potentially let them come back and be our head coach here(Hud and Diaz specifically).

Hudspeth is the one that will eventually put together a "longterm" staff at MSU...because he has all the ties to the area and the understanding of what it would take to make it happen. He also has the support of our booster structure to a crazy extent -- and could/would manage to get our assistant coaches paid whatever it took to keep them here.

agree with a lot of that, but also, i dont think we can keep hoping that our inside guys are ready to step up and prove themselves on the field. some guys have it, some dont, but i think we were all in the same "hope" boat when it came to wilson. him being a co-coordinator didnt leave us much option....either give him the chance or risk him taking another job after we scorn him for a real dc. i think we did the right thing by at least giving him a chance, but it didnt exactly work out, and truthfully, got really ugly. Mirando was another case where we hoped he would be up to the task....he was not and was a huge liability off the field as well. no doubt we need guys that want to be here, but we cant make desperate moves (wilson wasnt really desperate, but mirando was, but if i recall, it was really late in the process which put us in a bind). we play in a tough enough league as it is, so learning on the fly isnt going to cut it more often than not. Im in no way knocking collins....im more optimistic that he will be more successful than wilson, but at the same time, hes going to have his own learning curve. again, this is not in any way about collins, rather, a retrospective look at our prior coaching experiments and turnover. we absolutely have to crack the wallet open for some of our better guys, but the market will dictate their value and we might have to be a little more aggressive to keep the difference makers.

engie, or anybody else that recalls, why was brewster so set on fsu? was it the promotion to recruiting coordinator/increase in pay, program quality, his wife hated starkville, etc? could we not match or exceed that? i recall him saying it was a difficult decision, but dont remember the reasons or process behind it. if i remember correctly, it took him a while to make his decision from when it initially came out to when he announced.....i assume we were in the process of counter offering.
 

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but i think we were all in the same "hope" boat when it came to wilson. him being a co-coordinator didnt leave us much option....Mirando was another case where we hoped he would be up to the task....he was not and was a huge liability off the field as well. no doubt we need guys that want to be here, but we cant make desperate moves (wilson wasnt really desperate, but mirando was, but if i recall, it was really late in the process which put us in a bind)..im more optimistic that Collins will be more successful than wilson, but at the same time, hes going to have his own learning curve... rather, a retrospective look at our prior coaching experiments and turnover. we absolutely have to crack the wallet open for some of our better guys, but the market will dictate their value and we might have to be a little more aggressive to keep the difference makers.
Wilson wasn't ready to be a DC. Simple as that. He was a serviceable DL coach. We now have a DL coach with 28 years (?) experience. We also someone familiar with the program and has been a successful DC.

Mirando wasn't ready either. There was an immediate improvement in WR play with the hire of Brewer. I expect nothing less with Gonzalez.

The way we stop making desperate moves is have a short list of successful coaches in smaller programs. We have to realize that we can be the big fish too.

Yes, as has been stated many times here (Todd4State had an article), we need to be competitive with asst. coaches' salaries. We won't keep many of them no matter what, especilly if they're successful, but we'll have better means to influence them to come.

Not sure on Brewster's departure. I figured it was, at least, about disappointment in the program.
 

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We threw the kitchen sink at keeping Brewster and offered him far more money than he actually got from FSU...

Ultimately, he was pissed about being the bridesmaid on all the big fish he got us in the game with last season and wanted to go somewhere his recruiting talents could truly be put on display via results, with the ultimate goal of getting another shot at head coach.

Every good staff is raided every year. How many guys did FSU lose last year? 5 or 6? At least...

We haven't had many leave us for lateral moves(and most of those that did were "encouraged" to do so). Bottom line, we are going to lose coaches more times than not when FSU and Texas come calling...

And I disagree on Collins' pedigree. It is more impressive than Manny Diaz's was when we hired him, so I don't understand "caution" in regards to Collins when everyone immediately bought into Diaz.. People forget or overlook that Collins was a Broyles finalist the yr we hired him as a DC...

I saw enough in the gator bowl(adjustments, more aggression, blitzing) while still in Wilson's scheme to go all in to support Collins until which time he proves me wrong...
 

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i think most msu fan's expectations are as follows diaz > collins >>> wilson >> torbush.
 

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i think most msu fan's expectations are as follows diaz > collins >>> wilson >> torbush.

Most MSU fans haven't looked quite as closely as I have at this point...

Collins = Diaz with more different options to be multiple in alignments and looks via our hybrid players. Now whether or not he has the talent to get that much production is certainly debatable. Not talking ab that part specifically. More just that he's the same style of coach(I've shown that in numbers already a few times). Ton of blitzing from every position on the field. Very aggressive.

Compared to Wilson, we'll get alot more 3 and outs. Alot better in 3rd and 4th down situations. Better in the redzone. Better against the run. More likely to get daggered on big plays exactly like Diaz did...
 
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Compared to Wilson, we'll get alot more 3 and outs. Alot better in 3rd and 4th down situations. Better in the redzone. Better against the run. More likely to get daggered on big plays exactly like Diaz did...
Excellent point on the 3 n outs. Keeping the defense off the field is more important than not giving up big plays (especially against hurry-up offenses). Not only that, the increase in turnovers mitigates the number of big plays.
 

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Wilson wasn't ready to be a DC. Simple as that. He was a serviceable DL coach. We now have a DL coach with 28 years (?) experience. We also someone familiar with the program and has been a successful DC.

Mirando wasn't ready either. There was an immediate improvement in WR play with the hire of Brewer. I expect nothing less with Gonzalez.

The way we stop making desperate moves is have a short list of successful coaches in smaller programs. We have to realize that we can be the big fish too.

Yes, as has been stated many times here (Todd4State had an article), we need to be competitive with asst. coaches' salaries. We won't keep many of them no matter what, especilly if they're successful, but we'll have better means to influence them to come.

Not sure on Brewster's departure. I figured it was, at least, about disappointment in the program.
To be fair Mirando helped improve WR production too. It just never got much better from that initial bump, and that's because he had nothing to teach those guys. I think Mirando will be a great recruiter/position coach for someone down the road. I don't hold anything against him... just wasn't ready for the role. Can't fault him for accepting it. Any of us would have done the same.

And I agree with the big fish comment. I wish we'd go and hire Marshall's OC or the OC from some half decent non-AQ or nobody AQ team. Instead we have South Alabama's offensive coordinator from their first season as a football team.

Other than offensive line and offensive coordinator I would be legitimately happy with this staff for the long haul. Porkchop looks like he's being groomed for OL and Keonning is getting pretty old... so I don't think we have a lot to worry about for much longer.

Even though Keonning is a lame duck assistant he still doesn't bring anything to the table and he doesn't know anything about being a mobile QB. There are a gagillion people who would kill to have his job who are just as qualified or more qualified. Pull the trigger.

Brewster left because he has all sorts of connections with FSU and I'm sorry.......... FSU > MSU. Just the way it is. When we have one of the top 10 coaches of all time come here and stay here and win national championships we can ***** about assistants leaving for other marque programs.

But to tie in the point of the thread, Deshea is awesome. These are the types of hires we need to be making. It's never a bad idea to grab NFL guys trying to boost their resumes. Never.
 
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We threw the kitchen sink at keeping Brewster and offered him far more money than he actually got from FSU........Ultimately, he was pissed about being the bridesmaid on all the big fish he got us in the game with last season and wanted to go somewhere his recruiting talents could truly be put on display via results, with the ultimate goal of getting another shot at head coach.

Brewster left for the money, period. Don't act like you know things that you don't.
 

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Why is everyone forgetting about the Smoot in the room that is still waiting and wanting to get back here? And the Moulds?

Hell, we've got Sleepy and Porkchop back already...These are guys that I'd think would want to stay at MSU until we ran them off

I'm not saying it's bad, but this is not always a good thing.
 

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Brewster left for the money, period. Don't act like you know things that you don't.

Goat gotta goat** - http://blogs.clarionledger.com/msu/2013/03/01/why-did-tim-brewster-leave-mississippi-state/
http://www.clarionledger.com/articl...-he-s-leaving-Mississippi-State-Florida-State

When asked Friday, Brewster said money had “absolutely zero” to do with his decision to move to the ACC school. Brewster, however, will be in charge of recruiting for the school, which won a BCS game last season and has a larger in-state pool of talent than Mississippi.


Brewster was set to earn $250,000 next season as the Bulldogs' tight ends coach and assistant head coach. It's believed Brewster's salary at FSU is not much larger than the one he was set to earn in Starkville.

Paid $250k BASE at MSU. Paid $290k total at FSU. Price of living is way higher in Tally than Starkville. So, at the very best, he brings home $15-20k more in Tally. You REALLY think we didn't offer to match and beat that to keep him in Starkville?

There are people on this very board that developed actual friendships with Brewster during his time here. If you would turn off your bipolar ******** for 5 minutes, they'd probably tell you about it...
 
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Having trouble seeing where you've proved me wrong. He got more money at FSU.

Thanks for that, by the way (proving me right).
 

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Having trouble seeing where you've proved me wrong. He got more money at FSU.

Thanks for that, by the way (proving me right).

I know you love having me show everyone what a moron you are, but you should occasionally pick a fight you can actually win.
 
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Typical quote from people who wield ZERO respect.

Darn -- Goat doesn't respect me!!1!1 And not only that, he thinks he speaks for anyone else after being(REPEATEDLY) the most outcast MSU fan on the web!!1!1
 

engie

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You do not handle disagreement very well. Characteristics of a weak man.

You don't know the difference between disagreement and personal attack -- which is probably why you can't keep a username for a month at a time.

Then, you don't know when to back off a stupid, uninformed "call out" when your CLEARLY shown to be wrong via DIRECT quote.

What are those characteristics of? An appropriately titled message board user...
 
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