Where is that Texas is ranked again?
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You are a f**king head case. Just because they weren't ranked doesn't mean ****. They are projected to be a 2 seed in the Dallas regional. But yeah, they "suck".....38-18......5 game winning streak.......Where is that Texas is ranked again?
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Then why are you bragging your *** off about being ranked 6th? Can't have it both ways.
Where did I say they suck? You project much?
5 game winning streak and 3 if those against 1st place WVU who only needed 1 win to be out right champs.
Since when is basketball comparable to baseball. 1 seed lost there is no double elimination in basketball.
We are getting off in the weeds here. The primary issue is that WVU found itself in a very manageable situation of needing to get a single win in a 3 game series to be conference champions. The prize was well within grasp and only required a very reasonable task be fulfilled yet WVU blew it as it always has. All other projections into the future or history of season until this series is secondary.
The real point is that WVU is NOT Big 12 champions. WVU is NOT Big 12 co-champions. To the victor go the spoils and in this case the 1 seed for the Big 12 tournament were the spoils. WVU finished 3rd as established by the tie breakers . And these tie breakers were not based upon arbitrary rankings but actual performance on the field.
Now addressing the extraneous issues. First, teams that are fading at the end of the regular season rarely make noise much less win in the post season. Not being competitive in the slightest over a 3 game series certainly gives more credence to WVU slumping its way into the post season than ready to rally.
Second, even great seasons can be marred by dropping the ball when it matters most. You think people recall how great the Falcon's season was in 2017 when they made Super Bowl LI? Or do they remember losing the big game despite a 28-3 lead? If WVU doesn't win the Big 12 tournament or make it to Omaha, shitting the bed when the Big 12 regular season championship was practically in hand will be what is remembered most.
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The "projections" were for this WVU baseball team to finish sixth in the conference. They had a wonderful year. And if you allow the final three games to cloud your judgment of that, then that's your fault.....not the baseball team.
To go further, you show how much you don't know anything about how standings work. They are Co-Champions. The tie breaker system only goes for seeding purposes in the Big 12 tournament. As for actual recognition of "champion of the regular season" in the Big 12 record books, it will have Texas, OK State, and WVU as "Co-Champions". If you choose not to accept that, then again, that's your fault.
I know exactly how standings work. Same conference record leads to tie breakers. Tie breakers then go to head to head match ups. WVU won 2 of 6 games, OSU won 3, Texas won 4. That clearly demarcates first, second and third by on the field performance. Sure if all 3 teams had the same records with one another, you have other tie breakers like record against 4th place team deciding, the co-champion thing makes sense. But just because some arbitrary designation says that what SHOULD be a clear cut championship for Texas, runner up for OSU, and third for WVU is not true, it does not change the results on the field.
Take solace in participation trophy that is the bogus co-champion label all you like and keep demonstrating your mental inflexibility to not project the current outcome on preseason expectations.
Big 12 can call a pig a horse all it wants, but it doesn't make it true. The results on the field are clear as to who is the sole champion is and who choked.
In 2018 Bucky tried to put lipstick on that pig of a season from Holgerson by claiming a 3rd place. I believe both you and I argued that it was a 4th place finish since despite WVU and ISU having the same record and the Big 12 claiming WVU tied for 3rd that the head to head loss to ISU put WVU at 4th.
Again outside of WVU winning the conference title outright and what actually happened, there was one other possibility going into this last series. That was WVU sharing the title with OSU and receiving the number 1 seed. If you feel differently about that possible scenario and what actually happened then you cannot agree with the Big 12 stance that the 2 outcomes are the same. Sharing the title is sharing the title according to the Big 12 regardless of if it is with one other team or two and regardless of which team had better head to head performance.
I was mad as hell. I already apologized to you and said you were right but I guess you just don't give a ****. Shows what type of individual you are.
Once again sharing regular season title and seeding for the tournament are 2 different things.
And who the Big 12 declares is conference champion and who objective data says is champion are 2 different things. Do you feel as though WVU is really the champion of the Big 12 just because the Big 12 says so or do you feel like WVU shat the bed and really are 3rd or maybe tied for second?
Just showing you the hypocrisy when you go nuts on others when they are “mad as hell” during other events that didn’t go well.
No hard feelings.
I do because they took the OSU series on the road. Texas has a top level team (don’t fall for the rankings, baseball isn’t like the other sports). Playing them on the road was going to be the most difficult task this team was going to face.
Losing two of three to Kansas at home is what hurt. Way worse than swept by Texas.
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If Texas is a top level team and the only one to nor only sweep, but put away another co-champ before the 3rd inning, does that not male a good case for why they are the better "co-champ"? I am not asking in the sense of say school grading where 100% and 94% are both still A's, whether one is an "A" and the other is not. Rather I am asking in the objective sense is 100% better than 94%?
Texas should have taken care of their own business versus OK State, and we wouldn't be having this argument (which isn't argument because facts are facts....co-champs).
Again you just state your supposition. Can you really say that of the information below one can not logically say which is better than another?
Texas: OSU: WVU:
@OSU 5-3 W Texas 3-5 L @OSU 6-3 W
@OSU 1-4 L Texas 4-1 W @OSU 9-5 W
@OSU 3-4 L Texas 4-3 W @OSU 6-11 L
WVU 12-2 W WVU 3-6 L @Texas 2-12 L
WVU 10-4 W WVU 5-9 L @Texas 4-10 L
WVU 7-3 W WVU 11-6 W @Texas 3-7 L
Texas won 4 of 6 games. Texas was never not competitive in any of the 6. Texas won in a blow out by the 3rd inning in 3 of their games. Texas won one road game
OSU won 3 of 6 games. OSU was competitive in all but 1 game. OSU won by blow out only once. OSU didn't have to play on the road vs the others
WVU won 2 of 6 games. WVU was not competitive in 4 games. WVU won by blow out once. WVU did win 2 road games.
Any way you slice it. WVU has the weakest argument to be champion based upon the results above. The only mitigating factor is WVU was on the road for all those games. So again, WVU is "equal" champions with OSU and Texas by Big 12 decree only.
That is my case. I am happy to entertain actual arguments against it, but that does not include the Big 12 official stance nor the idea that only who wins or loses the series matters