Did anyone else hear "Dog" Brewer on HTH this afternoon

thatsbaseball

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Maybe I`m misunderstood but I thought he said the NCAA had no business punishing Penn State. He said that it was strictly a criminal case and the NCAA had no jurisdiction. Pretty interesting if that`s what he said. For the record I didn`t think the NCAA did enough.
 

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I'd agree with that... I don't think the NCAA should have involved itself in a situation that didn't have anything to do with a "competitive advantage" RE football... however, I'm all for any institution, organization or individual gettin' screwed over when they put "legacy" & "pride" above the welfare of children...

and that's comin' from a Bammer...

17 Penn State... GD hypocrites...
 

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I agree with him. It was a criminal matter. It had nothing to do with the NCAA. It didn't involve student-athletes or improper benefits. The witch hunt and mob mentality of bury Penn State is just ridiculous. Criminally punish the people involved, but the NCAA should never be involved. The dramatic and unprecedented expansion of their power is not good for anyone.
 

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That was my comment, day one.

But I will say, the inside cover up, deserved some on the field punishment.

I't still a legal issue.
 

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Maybe I`m misunderstood but I thought he said the NCAA had no business punishing Penn State. He said that it was strictly a criminal case and the NCAA had no jurisdiction. Pretty interesting if that`s what he said. For the record I didn`t think the NCAA did enough.

NCAA didn't have any choice...we live in a world of public opinion and public opinion dictated that they be punished from a football sports perspective...doesn't matter if they had no jurisdiction. Not only that, but Brewer is approaching senility...and he was one of the more crooked corches anyway...he was the corch when Mississippi was put on its worst probation, so he has a jaundiced opinion about the ncaa.
 
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thatsbaseball

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They protected an assistant coach from very serious criminal charges for acts committed in their very own athletic facilities to preserve their "competitive advantage" . It was ALL about "competitive advantage" wasn`t it ?
 

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I'd agree with that... I don't think the NCAA should have involved itself in a situation that didn't have anything to do with a "competitive advantage" RE football... however, I'm all for any institution, organization or individual gettin' screwed over when they put "legacy" & "pride" above the welfare of children...

and that's comin' from a Bammer...

17 Penn State... GD hypocrites...

That's b.s. The Penn State program was used as a vehicle to commit criminal behavior. Penn State made a clear and conscious decision to cover up said behavior to protect the image of the the program.... AND let it GO ON! They may have not "gained" a competitive advantage, but they sure did decide not to damage it.
 

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Completely disagree. So it is okay for the NCAA to punish a school for buying textbooks for student athletes (for the good of the program), but it is not okay to punish a school that covered up a child molester for over 10 years (for the good of the program)? That is some messed up logic. Yes it is a legal matter, but the institution has to take responsibility for allowing it to go on for so long. It wasn't the crime that got them NCAA punishment, it was the cover up.
 

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He also said that Ole Miss was gearing up for a better

season than us. At least that's how I took it. Anyone else hear that? He pretty much rambled from topic to topic in his head for the first few minutes.
 

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The NCAA most certainly has jurisdiction regarding ethics of their member institutions. And as always with them, the penalties/sanctions are totally at their discretion and whim.
 

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season than us. At least that's how I took it. Anyone else hear that? He pretty much rambled from topic to topic in his head for the first few minutes.

LT....yeah, I heard it and initially thought the same thing, but I believe that he meant we were gearing up for a good season and they were gearing up for a better season, meaning better than last year, not better than us.
 

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If you really boil it down, he's right. The NCAA punishing Penn State was/is the equivalent of the Securities and Exchange Commission punishing a brokerage house with sanctions if you had a similar situation where a former employee committed crimes within the building and a cover-up ensued. The NCAA, because it is a voluntary organization, has much more leeway to treat its rules more like guidelines, though. And the things that happened at Penn State are horrendous enough that anyone who would try to argue comes off as a monster.
 

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So the organization that oversees college football has no business punishing a school whose athletic department created an environment where coach and program was above law, morality and God?Where children were molested by a pedophile and was covered up by a coach who felt that bringing it to public knowledge would jeopardize Paterno's son's chances of ever landing his own college job?
 

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Dp you really think that any business would be able to survive if the exact same situation had happened there. This would have taken down any Fortune 500 company in the country. And you can bet your life the SEC would have shut down any brokerage company where the top level of managment had covered up a crime like this. Not that they would have had to.
 

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I disagree with him

Covering it up did give them an "advantage"- or rather it prevented Penn State from having a disadvantage.

You better believe that other schools would have brought up the fact that they had a child molester on Joe Paterno's in recruiting. And their whole image was that they were this clean cut program that did everything by the book. If they had reported the crime like they should have- it would have blown that image out of the water.

They- as a university- chose to cover it up, and sadly more people were hurt by Sandusky. Why else would they have done that unless it was to keep their image clean?

Now, the only thing that Joe Pa really accomplished was going out on a lower note than Woody Hayes. Congratulations to him on that! Thank God MSU ended up with the Jackie Sherrill's of the world.
 

TUSK.sixpack

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Correct... unless there's a rule 'gainst it...

look, i'm happy they got involved and hammered PSU... i just don't know if that's somethin' they regulate...

I may be wrong; do they have rules in place for this kind of thing (not that they should have to)...
 

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The PSU pres specifically said just that in an email. He said they chose their path to avoid tarnishing PSU's image. So yes, covering it up gave them a competitive advantage against the truth.
 

dawgs.sixpack

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i don't think there's anythign wrong with that statement. i kinda agree with him, though now that it's come out that more members of the board of trustees than originally believed might have been in the know about sandusky, i'm not going to vehemently argue against punishment anymore.

i generally think the ncaa should worry about recruiting violations and academic scandals to keep athletes eligible, and leave the other stuff to the legal system. i don't think the penn st punishment is going to deter future pedophile coaches, nor do i think it'll deter future administrations faced with similar circumstances. i think the jail time and personal, financial, and professional ruin of the lives of admin most involved is the deterrent. if i'm the AD at msu and something like this came across my plate, the last thing i'd consider with whether to turn the info over to the authorities would be that if i didn't it could result in punishment for the football program. instead i'd be concerned about my personal future. i think generally the punishment has harmed innocents far more than those actually guilty of anything, especially when the guilty parties are going through their own personal punishments (whereas giving a kid a bag of money isn't against the law, the only punishment and deterrent is for the ncaa to act).

i do worry about the process the ncaa used to punish penn st though, and i fear the ncaa may use it as a precedent moving forward. i also worry about where the line will be drawn as to which criminal acts should result in school sanctions and which should get a pass. i think the ncaa acted due to public pressure and bent the rules (shocking) in order to do so.