Discussion topic about gameplan...

[dawgstudent]

Is it me or should Croom have reversed the game plans for Auburn and LA Tech. He should have made a qb change, opened the offense up more against Auburn and just ran the ball down their throats against LA Tech. I am still irate.

Someone is a complete idiot on the offensive side of the ball for MSU. Common sense is not used.

 

[patdog]

From what I saw of Tyson Lee in the LA Tech game, he wouldn't have done any better than Carroll against Auburn. It was obvious from the last 2 offensive play calls, the Croom & McCorvey had completely given up and were just hoping for a miracle play. They have no clue at all how to run a college offense.

 

[rugbdawg]

Like you are saying, it is all about gameplanning and taking what the other team is giving you or what you can physically take from them. It's really simple. Our head coach and offensive coordinator are imbeciles. The West Coast COULD work (and by work I mean average offense) at MSU. You just have to right the make play calls at the right time and adjust throughout the game. Many coaches script the plays of the first drive of the game. But it's almost like our coaches have the ENTIRE game scripted. They have decided EXACTLY what they are going to do before the game starts and god dammit they aren't changing it just because it's not working.

"We are going to run it right at them. If we only get 6 inches on three plays, so be it. That's what we are going to do." Coach Croom on playing LSU in 2004.

 

[fwsultan]

ever has an offensive game plan and it they do, once the game starts, it goes out the window. Our offense has been without ryhme or reason for the last 5 years and has shown little if any improvement over that period of time. The thing is we have better players now, on offense, than we did 5 years ago but the production and execution is no better. That speaks volumes about the nature of the problem.

 

[dawgstudent]

when you have 116 yards of offense.

What's it called when you fail but keep doing the same thing over and over? Insanity.

 

[BigMotherTucker]

Carroll was missing badly. Crooms had to pull him.

 

[DeaconBeau]

Interesting comment about the game beign scripted. Talked to a friend who plays for La. Tech. His exact words were "we got lucky we beat State". So i asked why is that. He said "From watching the past season game films, we knew almost every play the offense was running when they came out into formation and called the plays from there. It was like they were just looking at a predetermined play sheet from an old game." He also said if we wouldn't have done that they would def. not have beat us. Pretty sad for another team to say they know the play before you even run it.</p>

 

[rugbdawg]

pretty much what we are running. But that's not exactly what I meant. We have plays that we MUST run in the game. No matter what the situation, down, or distance, we have to run that play.

 

[patdog]

What's it called when you fail but keep doing the same thing over and over? Insanity.

that Croom and McCorvey are insane then.

 

[DeaconBeau]

Oh I definitely agree. I was just thought it was really interesting for a player from an opposing to team to make those comments.

 

[muddawgs33]

dawgstudent wrote: _________________________________________________ Is it me or should Croom have reversed the game plans for Auburn and LA Tech. He should have made a qb change, opened the offense up more against Auburn and just ran the ball down their throats against LA Tech. I am still irate.

Someone is a complete idiot on the offensive side of the ball for MSU. Common sense is not used.

I kept saying that Sat. night. Spread it out and throw some quick Wr screens, because pounding it up the middle wasn't working and most knew it wouldn't against Auburn. Also spreading the field could have opened up some running lanes, but leave it to our offensive coaches to go with what's not working. Auburn's DB played us 1 on 1 on 1st down all night and we didn't even try to take advantage of that. I mean throw the quick pass to the WR and let him try to break a tackle. If not, at least he gained 2 or 3 yards rather than losing a yard running up the middle.

I'm really irritated that he didn't at least give Lee a chance. Carroll wasn't getting it done and the running game wasn't either. It was time for some other strategy, but that would be asking our coaches to do too much. I mean what idiotic coaches make in game adjustments?

Also, running the reverse option on the 2nd or 3rd series? Dumb. Save that crap for the 2nd half. We've ran that play in the 1st 2 games and Auburn was probably waiting for that play in the 1st half, considering it is the only play we have, where we have gained significant yardage. It's almost as if our coaching staff has no feel for the game at all and are incapable of making good in game decisions. I mean are the fans making the in game decisions? Fans pissed about not going for it at La. Tech, so Croom decides we go for it against Auburn, even though the situations are different. Fans pissed about playing 2 QB's at La. Tech., so Croom doesn't even think about trying to spark the offense with Lee against Auburn. It's very frustrating watching our coaching staff make decisions when 50,000 people in the stadium know it's the wrong decision and that's including Auburn fans.

 

[GoToHellOleMiss.sixpack]

Sly never tries to exploit the defense. I remember one year at Florida when Jackie was coaching we must have run the same little dive to the left 10 - 15 times. We ran it back to back a few times. Why? Because it was working.

Look for a mismatch and exploit it.....simple. How can I know this but Croom doesn't?

 

[fishwater99]

dawgstudent wrote: _________________________________________________ Someone is a complete idiot on the offensive side of the ball for MSU. Common sense is not used.

Well I am glad you finally agree that Crooms and Woody are dumb sons a bitches...

We have the Worst coach and offensive coordinator in the SEC, maybe even Division 1 football.

 

[dawgstudent]

I just said if they won 9 games this year, they would still not suck unlike what you were saying.

 

[fishwater99]

When I said that, I knew no way in hell we would win 9 games...

We won 8 games last year and they are the same coaches they were last year...

My whole point is that Croom and Woody are dumb and could be the worst combo in Division 1 football.

 

[Irondawg]

Well - the most frustrating post-game comment by Croom was where he said the last throw to McRae was there b/c they had been jumping to 10-yard hitch route (or whatever it's called) all night.

My immediate thought was then why the hell did we wait to potentially our last drive to throw it deep and loosen up the defense? Look, Auburn's defense is good and who knows if anything would have worked any better, but when opposing teams have no problem guessing the play call then you have NO chance. Auburn did this as well. - they were well ready for a few of those 3rd down runs in the 2nd half - Tubby knew Croom had no faith in his passing attack at that point.

For instance - where were those WR quick hitches we saw at LA Tech...or the TE patters So Miss burned them on or the option play we ran successfully most of the time last year? Where were the 4 wide sets, empty backfield or just a simple sideline fade patter to one of our 6'4 receivers....anything to give them a different look.

I think we can all agree that it's the lack of in-game adjustments that really dooms this coaching staff. The only time I can remeber them doing a continous good job of play calling the past few years was the 1st half at KY last year - that was really well done and we haven't seen it since.

Right now we have a combination of problems - poor coaching overall, poor in-game adjustments, poor blocking for OL, poor QB play and a few drops by receivers mixed in. It's a mess that I think has to start with a new OC that has some college experience and success as we've all been saying for years.