DNF Expansion and Renovation Will Be Announced Tomorrow Night
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since sight lines are such an issue with stadium expansion and assuming that its not a total renovation, would this type of setup work? i have seen prior discussions (here) on how angling an extended chairback area would not work (which would be correct given the assumption that the current foul boundaries were respected). what if those were removed with the main seating area angled in to improve sight lines?
my ms paint skills are somewhat limited, but i think this illustrates the idea. would this angle be sufficient enough? if not, the illustrated grand stands could be shortened and a sharper angle could be made.
my ms paint skills are somewhat limited, but i think this illustrates the idea. would this angle be sufficient enough? if not, the illustrated grand stands could be shortened and a sharper angle could be made.
I'm assuming he is referring to the ISIS node of sudy (international security internal safety) from our history department. I believe they study homeland security, diplomacy and intelligence. I could be wrong though.
http://www.history.msstate.edu/graduate-program.htm
http://www.history.msstate.edu/graduate-program.htm
If this happens, all big 3 venues will have state of the art updates/upgrades. Title 9 and nonrevenue are getting a major facelift in the next year or two also.
Tradition, 3 alleged BCS trophies, and The Grove be damned. Bring a recruit on campus and prove to him how serious we are about athletics by showing him the $150+ mil sunk into everything over 3 years.
From all time low in 2008-2009 to all time high in 2013-2014.
Tradition, 3 alleged BCS trophies, and The Grove be damned. Bring a recruit on campus and prove to him how serious we are about athletics by showing him the $150+ mil sunk into everything over 3 years.
From all time low in 2008-2009 to all time high in 2013-2014.
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Look at the way TD Ameritrade angled in their seating along the foul lines. That would be a good way to do it. However, if we want the best college baseball venue in the nation then we need to start over.
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i agree that the best solution long-term is to start from scratch, and in doing so, i think the park should mimic what we will be playing in if and when we get to omaha. it makes a lot of sense to me to be comfortable and familiar with the dimensions with the cws park, and since td ameritrade will be the place for the next 25 years, whatever we do should mimic those dimensions. that way, when we get there, we wont have to adjust to the park, and as pointed out, the met is already a big park, so the sec tourney would largely be covered in this approach.
a lot of teams struggled to adjust to that park so it would be a competitive advantage to already know how to play there. of course, it would be hard to mimic wind conditions and might require flipping the stadium, which is probably not feasible, but at least we would be familiar with the other areas.
that said, i doubt we would have a lot of power hitters wanna come play for us, but the pitchers would enjoy playing in a stadium like that. either way, the sooner we can get our players to stop trying to crush the ball, the better because its just not gonna happen at td ameritrade....something that i think we failed to completely grasp.
a lot of teams struggled to adjust to that park so it would be a competitive advantage to already know how to play there. of course, it would be hard to mimic wind conditions and might require flipping the stadium, which is probably not feasible, but at least we would be familiar with the other areas.
that said, i doubt we would have a lot of power hitters wanna come play for us, but the pitchers would enjoy playing in a stadium like that. either way, the sooner we can get our players to stop trying to crush the ball, the better because its just not gonna happen at td ameritrade....something that i think we failed to completely grasp.
Yep -- to make a TD Ameritrade setup work = dynamite to our current concrete structure...
We screwed up badly in the initial design of those grandstands...
Why couldn't you do a Trustmark Park type design and from the current grandstand - lose the foul territory gradually.
Here you go...
New Alex Box:
Dudy Noble:
TD Ameritrade:
See how the sightlines are virtually guaranteed to suck?
Not really. The problem is the straightness in the stands and the angle they were built at.... Even if you move the plate out 20 ft, you are still looking "through" the head of the guy beside you when sitting down the base lines...
Modern facilities are built far more "rounded"...
Our best bet it to scrap the grandstand. Know no one wants to hear it -- but it's the only feasible long term solution if we are to continue being one of The Jones's...
That seems like a waste of money to me
Why not just do it all at one time especially if we know that we are going to rebuild any way?
Why not just do it all at one time especially if we know that we are going to rebuild any way?
If you move the home plate out a good bit, you're then able to angle the seats down the foul line without going into fair territory.
You are correct
Scott may not want to hear it, but the grand stand needs to go. It's not like it's brand new- it's almost 25 years old. In fact the grand stand that was replaced by the current one was there for 20 years. So, our current grand stand has outlived the old one. His rumored idea about replacing the bleachers with hills and a playground is silly and cheap. Yeah- let's go ahead and decrease our seating capacity and make the stadium worse while we're about to start setting some more attendance records and become regular regional and Super Regional hosts. WTF?
There is no reason why we should be cheap with this. I think a lot of the problem is we have a lot of fans that don't realize how bad it is and think we can take a shortcut. I don't understand that- we're getting a NEW stadium basically. It's not like we plan to build something worse. We were willing to go all out in 1986, why not go all out now? If we do this right- and I think we will- I think everyone will be very pleased with the end result. Maybe we have some people that are concerned about losing their seat?
Assuming that the person with the four year plan is correct, that might be good because we might need to schedule accordingly. We may have to play some non-conference games in Pearl and the new stadium in Biloxi will be built at that time as well. Maybe even a series at Autozone Park. That would potentially buy us a little more time if construction takes a little longer than expected.
This would be a 25-30 million dollar project, and by that time the SEC Network will be in full effect. I have to wonder if Scott is going to use some money from that to do this project.
Scott may not want to hear it, but the grand stand needs to go. It's not like it's brand new- it's almost 25 years old. In fact the grand stand that was replaced by the current one was there for 20 years. So, our current grand stand has outlived the old one. His rumored idea about replacing the bleachers with hills and a playground is silly and cheap. Yeah- let's go ahead and decrease our seating capacity and make the stadium worse while we're about to start setting some more attendance records and become regular regional and Super Regional hosts. WTF?
There is no reason why we should be cheap with this. I think a lot of the problem is we have a lot of fans that don't realize how bad it is and think we can take a shortcut. I don't understand that- we're getting a NEW stadium basically. It's not like we plan to build something worse. We were willing to go all out in 1986, why not go all out now? If we do this right- and I think we will- I think everyone will be very pleased with the end result. Maybe we have some people that are concerned about losing their seat?
Assuming that the person with the four year plan is correct, that might be good because we might need to schedule accordingly. We may have to play some non-conference games in Pearl and the new stadium in Biloxi will be built at that time as well. Maybe even a series at Autozone Park. That would potentially buy us a little more time if construction takes a little longer than expected.
This would be a 25-30 million dollar project, and by that time the SEC Network will be in full effect. I have to wonder if Scott is going to use some money from that to do this project.
So, you make our "premium" seating right behind home plate 30 ft farther from the field -- and essentially end up with the biggest "no man's land" behind the plate in all of college baseball? Nevermind the fact that you are talking about moving a hill, sidewalk, fence, and scoreboard in right just to slap some more lipstick on the pig -- and still not have very good sightlines?
Nevermind the millions we already have in playing surface and drainage being wasted/absent in the deep outfield then...
Guys, I've watched baseball all over the country just like Todd has. I feel like I have pretty good perspective on the "experience" of Dudy Noble in relation to other places from the "cheap seats". There is just NO way to make it "great" again with the current grandstand structure in place. The design is just too bad -- and any attempt to do so is going to basically equate to lipstick on the pig and wasted money.
We've got to make the experience enjoyable to non-season-ticket holders and average joe students. Those bleachers and that sightline are one of the least enjoyable experiences you will ever have at a college baseball game. The outfield is great. Grandstand seating is pretty good. Suites are great when it doesn't rain. It's the people that are currently "left out" that want to be at MSU games that we have GOT to pander this to if we're going to consistently become the monster baseball fanbase that we saw this postseason...
agreed. this is our sport (especially now) and if we want to remain on the cutting edge, we have got to continue to put money in the program. im all for a new stadium and ultimately would like a higher capacity trustmark park. as for the green areas where people are expected to lounge, i am largely against it for a few reasons...A) its uncomfortable 2) it detracts from stadium capacity...something we are truly elite in, and D) can you imagine one of our fans during a big weekend looking like a beached whale and one of the camera guys incessantly pans over to show the sweaty mass of humanity basking in the sunlight as the exposed flesh gets dabbed with a neck towel. we all know espn likes to find the one guy/gal that is out of place in a sea of normal people....yeah, not good for anyone.
we need to build it first class and i for one think we need to be proactive when it concerns baseball and our facilities.
we need to build it first class and i for one think we need to be proactive when it concerns baseball and our facilities.
I agree we should scrap and rebuild from scratch. I wasn't big on Busch Stadium being demolished but it had to be done too. Surely we wouldn't have to redo the field drainage systems would we?
Clearly we deserve to have the best facilities in college baseball. Plus we have the #1 baseball stadium architect as an alumni. I would assume she is at least on some kind of planning committee. If not she should be.
Clearly we deserve to have the best facilities in college baseball. Plus we have the #1 baseball stadium architect as an alumni. I would assume she is at least on some kind of planning committee. If not she should be.
Guys, engie and Todd are right. Dudy Noble is a terribly designed stadium and was from the beginning. Obstructed views, poor sight lines, a lot of wasted space, and an 8-ft. wall between the lower and upper sections. The only real solution is to take it down and start from scratch. Unfortunately, I don't know how feasible that would be. I know they built it in 1 off-season, but there wasn't much old stadium there to take down. I'm sure it would be a lot bigger job to take this stadium down and build a new one. I'm afraid we're going to be stuck with cosmetic and quick-fix changes that never solve the real problems for a long time.
I didn't say it was a good idea. It would solve one problem, but create another. GOOD_DAWG2.0 said you could do it and you said "not really" which is incorrect. It would allow you to angle the current bleachers or any extended grandstands for a better line of sight. But you'd have too much room from the plate to the backstop.
And nobody cares how much baseball you've watched all over the country.
And nobody cares how much baseball you've watched all over the country.
I agree with everything you said. Like I said earlier in this thread, we have the possibility to be "the best" in college baseball. We have the fan base to be the best, the coaches, and we are almost there with talent. The only thing we lack is the best stadium in college baseball. We can design something with all fans (lounge, grandstands, and hillside students) in mind. Our baseball program and stadium is unique to anything in college baseball. We can design a new stadium that is both unique and the best.
I am no George Costanza
...aka architect. But Autozone Park, in New Jack City, looks as parrallel with the base line as DNF is. However, down the outfield foul line, almost to the track, they were able to turn those Autozone seats to have a good sight line. I am sure you could do the same at DNF.
...aka architect. But Autozone Park, in New Jack City, looks as parrallel with the base line as DNF is. However, down the outfield foul line, almost to the track, they were able to turn those Autozone seats to have a good sight line. I am sure you could do the same at DNF.
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We are spending about 75M on Davis Wade Expansion/Reno and we will always be one of the tiny stadiums in football, It cost about 32M in today's dollars to built Trustmark Park (which using that model we can keep the LFL), We can be an elite baseball school, we can fill it for big games, bond market is still LOW, how can this not be a top priority???
Sure they do. Why try to have a qualitative opinion in this if you don't know or realize what it's up against? I was simply trying to express the fact that I've got a bit of perspective on this. MANY here still think we still have a premiere baseball facility and simply have no idea what we're up against. My point was to quantify what I realize to be true...
I can tell you this -- Dudy Noble is the 6th best stadium in the SEC WEST now -- and will be 7th when Bama renovates. Plainsman is nicer than Dudy Noble with much better sight lines, just alot smaller.
"Not really" means I think it's a bad idea that I've thought about in detail. Ok? I explained why the first time. "Better line of sight" is marginal at best -- still worse than everywhere else in our division -- and puts the fans the furthest from the field of any place we play. Simply makes the place bigger -- not better.
If there was an easy way to renovate and make it premeire again, I would be all for it. I just don't see it...
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