Do things get better or worse for Ole Miss?

[Goat Holder II]

And before you start saying this is a flame, I think our programs are directly linked to each other in terms of success. We need them to stay down while we have an aggressive program to really create separation. The game the other night was huge, but the job isn't done, not by a large margin.

Let's cut the crap, Houston Nutt will be there next year. Nix may or may not be, but that is what it is. I look at players.

The bad: They are losing most of their playmakers. Lockett is coming back, as is Shackleford, Bolden, Logan, Jeff Scott and Grandy. I guess the suspended WR comes back too. No QB whatsoever, Brunetti or not. Seems like some of the Florida players won't be there much longer. Alot of the meat of the two good recruiting classes are gone. I don't think the schedule can get any easier than it was this year. Fan support is not great right now either....I know, I was there Saturday.

The good: I think the O-line gets better, and that's one of the most important things, but even still, their line wasn't very good and Masoli masked that problem a bit. Also, all Orgeron's players are out but I don't know that that is a good thing.

Either way, the path is there for us to really clean up with this 2011 recruiting class and there's no reason why we shouldn't clean up the 2012 one. We theoretically should be a bowl team next year and win the Egg Bowl at home. This run of success coupled with them being down could be one of our most successful ever.

 

[Goat Holder II]

And before you start saying this is a flame, I think our programs are directly linked to each other in terms of success. We need them to stay down while we have an aggressive program to really create separation. The game the other night was huge, but the job isn't done, not by a large margin.

Let's cut the crap, Houston Nutt will be there next year. Nix may or may not be, but that is what it is. I look at players.

The bad: They are losing most of their playmakers. Lockett is coming back, as is Shackleford, Bolden, Logan, Jeff Scott and Grandy. I guess the suspended WR comes back too. No QB whatsoever, Brunetti or not. Seems like some of the Florida players won't be there much longer. Alot of the meat of the two good recruiting classes are gone. I don't think the schedule can get any easier than it was this year. Fan support is not great right now either....I know, I was there Saturday.

The good: I think the O-line gets better, and that's one of the most important things, but even still, their line wasn't very good and Masoli masked that problem a bit. Also, all Orgeron's players are out but I don't know that that is a good thing.

Either way, the path is there for us to really clean up with this 2011 recruiting class and there's no reason why we shouldn't clean up the 2012 one. We theoretically should be a bowl team next year and win the Egg Bowl at home. This run of success coupled with them being down could be one of our most successful ever.

 

[Goat Holder II]

And before you start saying this is a flame, I think our programs are directly linked to each other in terms of success. We need them to stay down while we have an aggressive program to really create separation. The game the other night was huge, but the job isn't done, not by a large margin.

Let's cut the crap, Houston Nutt will be there next year. Nix may or may not be, but that is what it is. I look at players.

The bad: They are losing most of their playmakers. Lockett is coming back, as is Shackleford, Bolden, Logan, Jeff Scott and Grandy. I guess the suspended WR comes back too. No QB whatsoever, Brunetti or not. Seems like some of the Florida players won't be there much longer. Alot of the meat of the two good recruiting classes are gone. I don't think the schedule can get any easier than it was this year. Fan support is not great right now either....I know, I was there Saturday.

The good: I think the O-line gets better, and that's one of the most important things, but even still, their line wasn't very good and Masoli masked that problem a bit. Also, all Orgeron's players are out but I don't know that that is a good thing.

Either way, the path is there for us to really clean up with this 2011 recruiting class and there's no reason why we shouldn't clean up the 2012 one. We theoretically should be a bowl team next year and win the Egg Bowl at home. This run of success coupled with them being down could be one of our most successful ever.

 

[Mr Meoff]

/I like that better.*

 

[bomanishus]

Ever.

 

[AzzurriDawg4]

And their schedule doesn't get any easier. <div>
</div><div>The only thing they have to sell is the young OL and Bolden/Scott. It will be tougher sledding without Masoli to keep defenses honest. </div><div>
</div><div>They can't possibly think their defense is going to get any better. They lose Powe, Scott, Armour, Laurent, Cornell, Walker, Ingram, Brown and McGee. </div>

 

[Goat Holder II]

we made a big splash with our coaching change and createda bunch ofmomentum. Ole Miss did the same after Orgeron Croomed himself. There is nothing to soften this blow for Ole Miss. A coordinator doesn't do it like a head guy. Rational or not, that's how it is.

 

[FlabLoser]

I thought Scott was the Bears' version of Perkins. Pretty good scat back.

This is a blow for them.

EDIT: Nevermind about this being a low. It is Jeff Scott that is their scat back. Rodney Scott is pissed that he isn't getting Jeff Scott's snaps.

 

[TR.sixpack]

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[GTAdawg]

Got a good laugh out of that one.

 

[FlabLoser]

http://blogs.clarionledge...le-miss-his-father-says/

 

[RebelBruiser]

We have a good scat back in Jeff Scott. Bolden and Davis are a solid combination of power backs. Rodney Scott got lost in the mix behind Bolden and Davis.

If either of Bolden or Davis goes down, we'll wish we had Scott for depth. Scott played as a true freshman in 2009 mainly because Davis was hurt most of the year. Bolden and Davis are seniors next year, so if they stay healthy Rodney Scott wouldn't have seen much time until 2012, his senior year.

I can't really blame him for leaving. If he has his grades, he can transfer somewhere and sit out with 2 years to play and be a feature back if he picks his spot wisely.

If you're a power back though, this spring would be a good time to sign with us. You could redshirt behind 2 senior power backs and have 4 years still ahead to get reps at the position. Oddly enough, we don't really have anyone committed in that mold (unless you count Chief Brown, I don't) and didn't sign anyone like that in the 2010 class.

 

[patdog]

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[Johnson85]

<div>
</div><div>They can't possibly think their defense is going to get any better. They lose Powe, Scott, Armour, Laurent, Cornell, Walker, Ingram, Brown and McGee. </div>

I could see agood DC coming in and improving their D by cutting outa lot of the big plays resulting from bad schemes and poor coaching. Wouldn't expect their D to be good, but it could be better than this year's.

 

[dawgstudent]

that was a great read.

 

[whatever.sixpack]

What I still find so amusing that Bruiser and all the Rebs were saying last year is that Nutt had been recruiting better than Orgeron EVER did and that they would be really good in 2011. Not sure what they based that on since they knew they'd be losing Powe, Laurent, Scott, Armour, Lockett, Cornell, Walker, Ingram, Brown, and McGee on defense. Not sure how you expect to be better on defense after losing those guys.

Next year is Nutt's 4th yr, that's when most coaches are judged b/c they have 3-4 of their own classes in, but the 4th year mightbe his worst year yet, which is a pretty clear indication that his recruiting isclose to on par w/ what he did at Arkansas. When you're in your 4th year, you can't blame it on "what you were left with" anymore.

Most new coaches come into situations w/ subpar rosters (like O following Cut), but it was the opposite for Nutt. He'll have 4 of his own classes on campus next year, which should've given him plenty of time to get his guys in AND develop them to take over for O's players, which made up the majority of his starting roster in his THIRD year (which is not normally the case for a new coach) Orgerons first couple of teams had to play his good classes when the kids were frosh/sophs, whereas Nutt's guys don't have to play until their 2nd/3rd/4th yr in the program

 

[RebelBruiser]

but if you want to go there, you'd be sticking your head in the sand if you don't think he's bringing more of that out.

Feel free to tell me if I'm wrong about that. We both have fans that say stupid stuff and act ignorant. Mix in some prodding, and it's going to be worse.

Just take a look at message boards. It's a microcosm of what you would see in person.

 

[dawgstudent]

but it doesn't give someone the right to act that way - State or Ole Miss fans.

 

[RebelBruiser]

That's my point.

If coaches get involved in spouting back and forth, the fanbases are going to act worse towards each other. That's just the way it is. It doesn't mean it gives someone an excuse or the right to act like a fool, but the ones that have that in them are going to be worse.

 

[dawgstudent]

We each have our segments, but Mullen is trying to take the friendly
part of the rivalry away by acting like a douche every chance he gets.

To me, that sounds like you are blaming Mullen.

 

[RebelBruiser]

If you were to go into Orange Mound and start yelling racial slurs tonight at everyone you saw, you would probably end up dead on the side of the road.

Yelling racial slurs wouldn't be an excuse for someone to kill you, but I think you'd have a hard time making an argument that you didn't have a contributing role in what happened to you.

Another abstract example, if you show up to a biker rally and start asking guys if they'd be willing to make out with you, you're probably going to lose some teeth. Saying something doesn't excuse the party who retaliates, but what's said still plays a contributing role.

Mullen isn't out confronting people himself, but his actions are going to directly lead to making the rivalry more of a nasty rivalry. That's what he wants. It doesn't excuse people for acting like idiots, but that doesn't mean it's not a contributing factor. It's going to get nasty enough at times on its own. I don't see any reason to stoke the fire any more.

I like the Nick Saban approach. He treats all teams with coach speak and respect publicly. Then he goes out and beats them. He's a jerk about many things, but he doesn't stoke any fires between fans. He's had plenty of opportunity with the LSU fans and Auburn fans alike, but you don't ever hear anything like that from him.

I don't like Mullen's approach personally. If it works for him, good for him, and that's fine, but you can't pretend that it won't contribute to making things worse than they would be normally between the fans.

 

[Foronce]

when you talk **** and lose... first time since 1940 a coach won the first 2 egg bowls... he may sound like a douche to you, but he is walking and talking at the same time.

 

[RonnyAtmosphere]

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[dawgstudent]

but it's not ok to be a jerk when speaking in general terms in a "friendly" rivalry. And he calls you TSUN, Black Bears, etc. Nothing really stoking the fire except when he said "there is only one program on the rise". I can't remember why he said that. Oh yeah - because Nutt said it earlier in the week.

 

[seshomoru]

Whatever jabs Mullen pokes at Ole Miss in no way makes more people get in fights or dump alcohol on each other. Your ****** football team, comical coach, divided fan base, and disdain for your AD make people start more fights and pour alcohol on each other. This is a you problem.

 

[patdog]

That may be just a bit extreme. Just for the record, can you show me any specific comments Mullen has made that you think are out of line? As dawgstudent points out, the most inflammatory thing he's said is the "one program on the rise" comment and even that comment didn't directly mention Mississippi.

I like the Nick Saban approach too. But I also like the Dan Mullen approach. </p>

 

[FlabLoser]

That Mullen's comments are as offensive to THEM as racial slurs are to most people (not them).

And that makes me happy.

 

[dawgstudent]

[No message]

 

[seshomoru]

You sound like whiny *****.

 

[RebelBruiser]

I said they were abstract comparisons to prove the point that if you do or say certain things, you know that there is a good chance it might create a certain reaction. It doesn't excuse the reaction, but it also doesn't mean that what was done or said can't/doesn't serve as a catalyst.

He's creating the environment. It doesn't excuse people acting like idiots, but he's creating an environment that's going to be more hostile than normal. That's my opinion, and I think I've supported it.

Don't pretend like you didn't know that he was doing anything to try to get under the skin of Ole Miss fans. It's all been discussed on here ad nauseum.

 

[seshomoru]

I said they were abstract comparisons to prove the point that if you do or say certain things, you know that there is a good chance it might create a certain reaction. It doesn't excuse the reaction, but it also doesn't mean that what was done or said can't/doesn't serve as a catalyst.

He's creating the environment. It doesn't excuse people acting like idiots, but he's creating an environment that's going to be more hostile than normal. That's my opinion, and I think I've supported it.

Don't pretend like you didn't know that he was doing anything to try to get under the skin of Ole Miss fans. It's all been discussed on here ad nauseum.

I doubt the thought ever crossed his, or any sane human's mind, that referring to you as TSUN would make middle fingers jump uncontrollably into the air.

 

[DawgBot]

People that compare Mullen's comments to racial slurs are as bad as Hitler.

 

[RebelBruiser]

You can't tell me that you don't realize that all of that is aimed at trying to prod our fans and take jabs. It gets under the skin of a good number of our fans, and I believe we all know that's his intention.

What do you think his intention is when he made the mascot remark and when he goes out of his way to say TSUN?

 

[bullysleftnut]

I said they were abstract comparisons to prove the point that if you do or say certain things, you know that there is a good chance it might create a certain reaction. It doesn't excuse the reaction, but it also doesn't mean that what was done or said can't/doesn't serve as a catalyst.

He's creating the environment. It doesn't excuse people acting like idiots, but he's creating an environment that's going to be more hostile than normal. That's my opinion, and I think I've supported it.

Don't pretend like you didn't know that he was doing anything to try to get under the skin of Ole Miss fans. It's all been discussed on here ad nauseum.

little ol' Mississippi State needs to know their place and shut up. How dare Dan Mullen want to beat the flagship!

Let me explain something to you, Bruiser - Ole Miss fans acting like uncivilized douchebags has nothing to do with Dan Mullen. It has everything to do with the over-inflated sense of entitlement your prickish fan base in filled with, which makes 50 year old men try to pick fights with MSU fans.

Jesus, you guys are pathetic.

 

[patdog]

People that compare Mullen's comments to racial slurs are as bad as Hitler.

Good job.

 

[MFReb]

roll out a red carpet next year?
call us the flagship?

jesus christ dude. he knows exactly what he is doing and saying and its working like a champ. look no further than all of your posts.

 

[RebelBruiser]

I said they were abstract comparisons to prove the point that if you do or say certain things, you know that there is a good chance it might create a certain reaction. It doesn't excuse the reaction, but it also doesn't mean that what was done or said can't/doesn't serve as a catalyst.



He's creating the environment. It doesn't excuse people acting like idiots, but he's creating an environment that's going to be more hostile than normal. That's my opinion, and I think I've supported it.



Don't pretend like you didn't know that he was doing anything to try to get under the skin of Ole Miss fans. It's all been discussed on here ad nauseum.

I doubt the thought ever crossed his, or any sane human's mind, that referring to you as TSUN would make middle fingers jump uncontrollably into the air.

Seriously? If Nutt started making fun of the fact that you get fined for cowbells, and he made a point to call you something silly every time he mentioned you, like 'the school beneath us', which I see used on the Spirit, you don't think it would lead to your fans acting more like dicks to our fans? Of course Mullen knows what he's doing is going to create a different atmosphere. If he doesn't, then he needs a lesson in the psychology of SEC football. I'm not out there waving my finger, but fans are fans, and there are going to be groups in each fanbase that are going to be more effected by that type of stuff.

I'm not making a ridiculous point.

 

[seshomoru]

<span style="font-weight: bold;">You can't tell me that you don't realize that all of that is aimed at trying to prod our fans and take jabs.</span> It gets under the skin of a good number of our fans, and I believe we all know that's his intention.

What do you think his intention is when he made the mascot remark and when he goes out of his way to say TSUN?

Get over yourself. He does it to get OUR fanbase excited. He knows there's a large (a very large) segment of our fan base that eats up any little digs at Ole Miss. Our coach unified our fans. He doesn't give two ***** what Ole Miss fans think or do. You've really got the stereotype down pat. We're all just in orbit around Oxford, right?

 

[seshomoru]

I said they were abstract comparisons to prove the point that if you do or say certain things, you know that there is a good chance it might create a certain reaction. It doesn't excuse the reaction, but it also doesn't mean that what was done or said can't/doesn't serve as a catalyst.



He's creating the environment. It doesn't excuse people acting like idiots, but he's creating an environment that's going to be more hostile than normal. That's my opinion, and I think I've supported it.



Don't pretend like you didn't know that he was doing anything to try to get under the skin of Ole Miss fans. It's all been discussed on here ad nauseum.

I doubt the thought ever crossed his, or any sane human's mind, that referring to you as TSUN would make middle fingers jump uncontrollably into the air.

Seriously? If Nutt started making fun of the fact that you get fined for cowbells, and he made a point to call you something silly every time he mentioned you, like 'the school beneath us', which I see used on the Spirit, <span style="font-weight: bold;">you don't think it would lead to your fans acting more like dicks to our fans? </span> Of course Mullen knows what he's doing is going to create a different atmosphere. If he doesn't, then he needs a lesson in the psychology of SEC football. I'm not out there waving my finger, but fans are fans, and there are going to be groups in each fanbase that are going to be more effected by that type of stuff.

I'm not making a ridiculous point.

No, I don't. I think losing two egg bowls in a row might. Having a comical coach might. Hating our AD might. Not caring enough to go to a game might.

What your coach says about us? Not a chance.

 

[captaindawg]

we are winning. That is the only thing you can blame on Dan Mullen.