Does anyone on here think Obamacare should remain unchanged?
- Thread starter DvlDog4WVU
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One of these days when the smoke clears a little, we are going to look up from the political arguments and realize "F*CK! We're on Government Healthcare!" We have been for a long time in the sense that greedy politicians and lobbies effectively set the prices. That's what needed to be fixed instead of a free lunch we can't take back, even if its a **** sandwich. We have the best health care in the world, it just cost too damn much. On our current path it will be too expensive and substandard.
It was, and that's the hook that's used to ensure an eventual single payer system. Can't start giving people **** for free and then think you can ever take it away without a fight.
My wife deals with billing and coding on a daily basis, and the system is set for a complete meltdown. Prior to her current job though, she had the pleasure of dealing with mostly Medi patients through home health care, where a vast number of her "patients" were nothing more than drains on the system who "could but wouldn't", "patients" that would ***** and complain about the FREE service that they were getting, service that was paid for by the taxes my wife was paying through working a job that provided them the FREE service.
There are those I truly feel bad for... Truly see the need to help.... But for a number of years I heard about nothing but the complete failures of our system, and how it's being abused.
Point out a system that doesn't get abused. I don't deny that medicaid is one of many. I think it is a necessary evil though, and it reads to me like you agree.
I should be able to find out the cost of a test. I'll have to search for it, but a reporter did a story on this very topic, and it was pretty disheartening to hear how he was run around every different department of several hospitals only to get no answers.
If improving the ACA is the true goal of the left they would be all over this bill because it fixes some of the major issues. It doesnt have the votes because no dems will vote for it and it only took 2 or 3 republicans to sink it.
How many full repeals passed the House when they knew it would never get a signature?
I realize that doesn't hold water in this situation. A repeal can't go through reconciliation, so it would need 60 votes to go up for a vote. My point is that they aren't truly serious about addressing this, and I suspect it's because they own it when they do. The current problem with the Senate version is that some on the far right say it doesn't strip enough out and others to the center (or those whose states would take a huge hit) say it strips too much. Needong 50 of 52 doesn't leave much margin for error.
Here's my analysis of the current situation. The GOP is willing to modify the existing law at least at this stage. The Senate is probably going to need Dems to get it to pass even under reconciliation. Sit down and hammer out a deal. That's what should happen. I'll go ahead and predict that it won't.
I think they are serious about trying to fix it but there are three groups working 3 agendas. Dems, liberal republicans and conservative republicans. Imo it is more likely for dems and liberal republican are more likely to work together that either will work with the conservative republicans. That is why the bill isnt that far from the current law.
Look I hate to turn anything that happens on the hill into a Presidential issue, but this is political football.....it's the way it's always been. Mr. Dealmaker needs to get in the game and get something done. He's NOT handing Obama or the Dems a win by saving Obamacare (even if it's the best option). If he wants a replacement that makes him and the GOP look like the healthcare saviors, they are way off and it doesn't look likely. This is why I hate the incendiary rhetoric of the campaign trail. And Trump took it way too far. In some cases he has painted himself into a corner, and in others made it too much about an all out battle of ideology.
Now honestly, the Dems don't want to hand Trump a win, but they don't want Obamacare around their necks either. They only way a deal gets done that is best for the American people is if GOP Senators publically distance themselves from Trump on this issue, and agree to make admendments to the existing ACA. OR the GOP gets it together.