Donald Trump’s Massive Corporate Tax Cut Literally Cannot Pass Congress

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Donald Trump hasn’t even finished writing his tax plan yet, and yet it already looks poised to meet a humiliating death on Capitol Hill.

Like most things our Cheeto-in-chief touches, the package of tax cuts that the White House is preparing to unveil on Wednesday is shaping up to be a gaudy money-loser. According to the Wall Street Journal, Trump has told his staff to work up a scheme that would cut the top corporate tax rate by more than half, from 35 percent to just 15 percent, without worrying too much about how to pay for it. “During a meeting in the Oval Office last week, Mr. Trump told staff he wants a massive tax cut to sell to the American public,” the Journal reports. “He told aides it was less important to him that such a plan could add to the federal budget deficit.”

Would such plan waste trillions of dollars padding the pockets of Walmart and Exxon’s shareholders? Absolutely! Would that stop Republicans from supporting it? Probably not! But unfortunately for Trump, his plan to slash corporate tax bills has a fatal flaw: It’s probably forbidden under the Senate’s rules, and thus entirely incapable of passing Congress.

At least, so suggest some recent comments by George Callas, who serves as senior tax counsel to House Speaker Paul Ryan. Speaking at a panel event in Washington last week, which was previously reported on by the New Republics Brian Beutler, Callas dismissed the idea of passing a corporate tax cut without paying for it in pretty much the harshest terms a tax wonk can muster, calling it a “magic unicorn” at one point. Feisty!

“A plan of business tax cuts that has no offsets, to use some very esoteric language, is not a thing,” Callas said. “It’s not a real thing. And people can come up with whatever plans they want. Not only can that not pass Congress, it cannot even begin to move through Congress day one. And there are political reasons for that. No. 1, members wouldn’t vote for it. But there are also procedural, statutory procedural, legal reasons why that can’t happen.”

Those reasons have to do with the Senate’s budget reconciliation process, which Republicans will have to rely on in order to move any tax bill into law, assuming Democrats won’t sign on. The procedure prevents filibusters on legislation related to taxes and spending, allowing them to pass on a bare majority vote. But it comes with a catch: Any legislation passed through reconciliation can’t increase the deficit outside of the 10-year budget window. This restriction, known as the Byrd rule, is actually written into federal statute.

One way to get around the Byrd rule is to make tax cuts temporary. The budget-busting Bush tax cuts were set to expire after 10 years for precisely that purpose, and as it has become increasingly obvious that Republicans won’t be able to agree on a plan to reform the tax code without increasing the deficit, many have assumed they’d borrow from that old playbook.

But that only really works for individual tax cuts. During his appearance, a very exasperated Callas explained that, in order to satisfy the Byrd rule, corporate tax cuts would probably have to sunset after just two years, making them utterly pointless. Here’s how he put it:

Here is a data point for folks. A corporate rate cut that is sunset after three years will increase the deficit in the second decade. We know this. Not 10 years. Three years. You could not do a straight-up, unoffset, three-year corporate rate cut in reconciliation. The rules prohibit it. You might be able to do two years. A two-year corporate rate cut—I’ll defer to the economists on the panel—would have virtually no economic effect. It would not alter business decisions. It would not cause anyone to build a factory. It would not stop any inversions or acquisitions of U.S. companies by foreign companies. It would just be dropping cash out of helicopters onto corporate headquarters.
Tell us how you really feel, George.

Now, perhaps this is just the disaffected ranting of a tax-policy professional who doesn’t want the rest of the GOP to abandon his boss’s own tax reform plan. Maybe Mitch McConnell could come up with some kind of parliamentary maneuver to make Trump mega–corporate cuts a reality. But it’s awfully strong language, and signals that Trump’s 15 percent corporate tax rate may even be DOA in Paul Ryan’s House if he can’t find a way to pay for it.

As usual, the White House is doing a bang-up job.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox...lan_would_turn_the_whole_u_s_into_kansas.html
 

WVPATX

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You're welcome. I guess we'll see if Mr. Callas is right or not and from what I've read elsewhere, he is.

A Dem on MSNBC said he is anxious to work with Trump on corporate tax cuts. Said it was absolutely necessary for the economy.

Tax cuts will be passed. The House and the Senate will play their role, but a tax cut of significant size is on its way. You may want to retreat to your safe space now.
 

moe

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A Dem on MSNBC said he is anxious to work with Trump on corporate tax cuts. Said it was absolutely necessary for the economy.

Tax cuts will be passed. The House and the Senate will play their role, but a tax cut of significant size is on its way. You may want to retreat to your safe space now.
Among other things, they have to convince enough people as to how the cuts will be paid for and I don't think that simply saying increased economic growth will pay for them will cut it. As for the corporate cuts, if Mr. Callas is correct then your theory on reconciliation from the other day doesn't look so good. If you're only wanting tax cuts (that will sunset) then they have a better chance but if you're seeking tax reform then that's more difficult. I guess we'll see what happens.
 

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Among other things, they have to convince enough people as to how the cuts will be paid for and I don't think that simply saying increased economic growth will pay for them will cut it. As for the corporate cuts, if Mr. Callas is correct then your theory on reconciliation from the other day doesn't look so good. If you're only wanting tax cuts (that will sunset) then they have a better chance but if you're seeking tax reform then that's more difficult. I guess we'll see what happens.

A person calling for tax cuts, yet that person won't release his tax returns to the public? Interesting.....

I also read where the Treasury Department could not guarantee that the middle class would receive ANY cuts, and perhaps could end up paying more! While the top could get up to a 14% increase in income from this plan......
 

WVPATX

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Among other things, they have to convince enough people as to how the cuts will be paid for and I don't think that simply saying increased economic growth will pay for them will cut it. As for the corporate cuts, if Mr. Callas is correct then your theory on reconciliation from the other day doesn't look so good. If you're only wanting tax cuts (that will sunset) then they have a better chance but if you're seeking tax reform then that's more difficult. I guess we'll see what happens.

A tax cut is coming and it will be big. Reagan cut taxes and the revenues to the Treasury doubled. Higher levels of economic growth increase tax revenues. JFK did it. Reagan did it. We have evidentiary proof. There may have to be a 10 year sunset provision, but the cuts are coming.
 

WVPATX

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A person calling for tax cuts, yet that person won't release his tax returns to the public? Interesting.....

I also read where the Treasury Department could not guarantee that the middle class would receive ANY cuts, and perhaps could end up paying more! While the top could get up to a 14% increase in income from this plan......

Post your link showing the middle class will not receive any tax cuts. That is blatantly false based on the outline presented yesterday. The huge increase in the standard deduction alone not to mention lower rates ensures that. In fact, the entire plan was geared toward the middle class. You are reading fake news.
 

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Lol, PATX, ok, Mulcrazy said a 100 people worked on it, Trumps release about his tax proposal, that equaled out to about two words a piece. As on healthcare the details don't matter because team Trump can't anyttg both chambers. The era of pretending there is a unified GOP is over, before, they only had to be unified on saying No to everything Obama and now they can only agree to pretend Trump is competent and popular. They don't serve the Prez, they serve the tea people!
 

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A tax cut is coming and it will be big. Reagan cut taxes and the revenues to the Treasury doubled. Higher levels of economic growth increase tax revenues. JFK did it. Reagan did it. We have evidentiary proof. There may have to be a 10 year sunset provision, but the cuts are coming.

Here's where I differ with conventional conservative thought. With technology and adaptation as volatile as it is, there will be a segment of the population that will be left out. Possible employment replacements are minimal, and substantial job losses are on the near horizon. We will need to think ahead and react more than just saying "Cutting taxes creates jobs".
 

moe

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A tax cut is coming and it will be big. Reagan cut taxes and the revenues to the Treasury doubled. Higher levels of economic growth increase tax revenues. JFK did it. Reagan did it. We have evidentiary proof. There may have to be a 10 year sunset provision, but the cuts are coming.
Trump's track record with getting major legislation passed is zero so far but maybe his luck will change or do you think that his own party will shut him down again? Looks like the fun is just beginning.
 

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Post your link showing the middle class will not receive any tax cuts. That is blatantly false based on the outline presented yesterday. The huge increase in the standard deduction alone not to mention lower rates ensures that. In fact, the entire plan was geared toward the middle class. You are reading fake news.

Really? So check the updated news today. Treasury Secretary was asked about the impact on "Middle Class America" and he stated that he could not guarantee that they would receive a tax cut, or that they may indeed pay more.
 

WVPATX

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Now that's a good one lol.

Then you haven't read the plan or know anything about it. Let me educate you:
  • Trump's plan will cut the number of income tax brackets from seven to three, with a top rate of 35 percent and lower rates of 25 percent and 10 percent. It is not clear what income ranges will fall under those brackets. It would also double the standard deduction.
Great benefit to the middle class. And with the elimination of the mortgage interest deduction and other high income changes, going from 39% to 35% won't result in much in the way of lower taxes for the rich. And Mnunchin said yesterday, they have devised a way to stop the rich from using LLC's or the like to obtain a 15% rate.

The plan would get rid of the estate tax, otherwise known as the "death tax." Cohn said the move will help privately held businesses and American farmers. Many, many small business owners lose their businesses when they die because they can't pay the death taxes. They are asset rich and cash poor.

The plan would cap small business taxes at 15% getting to on par with large corporate tax rates. A huge boom to the middle class.
Nice try.


 

WVPATX

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Trump's track record with getting major legislation passed is zero so far but maybe his luck will change or do you think that his own party will shut him down again? Looks like the fun is just beginning.

Like I said, tax cuts will pass. You trigger warning has been issued. Seek you safe space now.
 

moe

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Then you haven't read the plan or know anything about it. Let me educate you:
  • Trump's plan will cut the number of income tax brackets from seven to three, with a top rate of 35 percent and lower rates of 25 percent and 10 percent. It is not clear what income ranges will fall under those brackets. It would also double the standard deduction.
Great benefit to the middle class. And with the elimination of the mortgage interest deduction and other high income changes, going from 39% to 35% won't result in much in the way of lower taxes for the rich. And Mnunchin said yesterday, they have devised a way to stop the rich from using LLC's or the like to obtain a 15% rate.

The plan would get rid of the estate tax, otherwise known as the "death tax." Cohn said the move will help privately held businesses and American farmers. Many, many small business owners lose their businesses when they die because they can't pay the death taxes. They are asset rich and cash poor.

The plan would cap small business taxes at 15% getting to on par with large corporate tax rates. A huge boom to the middle class.
Nice try.


lol thanks for your spin.
 

WVPATX

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lol thanks for your spin.

Not spin, FACT. If you can read, you may want to try and read the plan and form you own opinion although it would help greatly if you have some knowledge of our current code, rates, deductions, etc.
 

moe

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Not spin, FACT. If you can read, you may want to try and read the plan and form you own opinion although it would help greatly if you have some knowledge of our current code, rates, deductions, etc.
You do realize that the so called prez's plan is just a starting point, right? Congress will have much to say, fact. Wake up to reality.
 

WVPATX

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You do realize that the so called prez's plan is just a starting point, right? Congress will have much to say, fact. Wake up to reality.

Of course. Trump issued an outline. The House and Senate now know his priorities and will develop bills that can pass both. The President will be involved and will sign the tax cut bill. It will change somewhat from what Trump outlined. For example, the corporate tax rate may be 20% rather than 15%. We will have to wait and see, but a tax cut is coming, no doubt about that.
 

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Here's where I differ with conventional conservative thought. With technology and adaptation as volatile as it is, there will be a segment of the population that will be left out. Possible employment replacements are minimal, and substantial job losses are on the near horizon. We will need to think ahead and react more than just saying "Cutting taxes creates jobs".
Only thing I'd change is your tense. Change "will be" to "is being" or "has been" left out. The good news is we are an aging population.....the bad news is we owe those old f*cks a lot of money. Solution = death panels.

Edited to add: We should still cut taxes, or modernize our tax system.
 

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Only thing I'd change is your tense. Change "will be" to "is being" or "has been" left out. The good news is we are an aging population.....the bad news is we owe those old f*cks a lot of money. Solution = death panels.

Edited to add: We should still cut taxes, or modernize our tax system.

Agree. We also need to invest in job training. With the corporate tax cuts, repatriation of overseas profits, infrastructure spending, etc. we will need blue collar skilled workers to fill those jobs. This idea that everyone must go to college is false. We need welders, plumbers, electricians, truck drivers, etc.

Our big challenge is the drug epidemic. My brother and I own a manufacturing business in WV. When we hired, out of 3 applicants, one would not take the drug test, the second would fail it and the third may or may not have had the requisite skills. It was so hard to find good employees.
 

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A person calling for tax cuts, yet that person won't release his tax returns to the public? Interesting.....

I also read where the Treasury Department could not guarantee that the middle class would receive ANY cuts, and perhaps could end up paying more! While the top could get up to a 14% increase in income from this plan......
Not sure where you are getting your information or whether you have contorted/twisted, mis-interpreted what has been said or something known only to you. There wille be a tax cut for the middle class. PERIOD! Numerous reports from various folks reporting such. Tax cuts for those with incomes driving them above the middle class may see no cut or, eve, an increase in what is paid. Gone will be a whole lot of the deductions these richer folks have relied upon. So, net income will be higher than it would have been. SO, even with rate reductions these folks may actually pay more. The middle class has never shared in the sealth available through massive deductions. The elimination of these will not impact the middle class to any great degree, but the rate reduction will lower their taxes.
As for DT's tax returns--stick to what you know and cut the speculation. Were you under an audit I doubt your returns, which are a major source of info for the audit, would be made public. Try applying a but of logic and reason. Lay off the 'hate Trump' band wagon and dwell on items that are germane to the lives of Americans overall. PLEASE--Try it.
 

Keyser76

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Then you haven't read the plan or know anything about it. Let me educate you:
  • Trump's plan will cut the number of income tax brackets from seven to three, with a top rate of 35 percent and lower rates of 25 percent and 10 percent. It is not clear what income ranges will fall under those brackets. It would also double the standard deduction.
Great benefit to the middle class. And with the elimination of the mortgage interest deduction and other high income changes, going from 39% to 35% won't result in much in the way of lower taxes for the rich. And Mnunchin said yesterday, they have devised a way to stop the rich from using LLC's or the like to obtain a 15% rate.

The plan would get rid of the estate tax, otherwise known as the "death tax." Cohn said the move will help privately held businesses and American farmers. Many, many small business owners lose their businesses when they die because they can't pay the death taxes. They are asset rich and cash poor.

The plan would cap small business taxes at 15% getting to on par with large corporate tax rates. A huge boom to the middle class.
Nice try.


 

Keyser76

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I can't imagine why, gotta be the shortest "plan" in history. I'm sure you can fill in all the blanks.
 

MountaineerWV

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Not sure where you are getting your information or whether you have contorted/twisted, mis-interpreted what has been said or something known only to you. There wille be a tax cut for the middle class. PERIOD! Numerous reports from various folks reporting such. Tax cuts for those with incomes driving them above the middle class may see no cut or, eve, an increase in what is paid. Gone will be a whole lot of the deductions these richer folks have relied upon. So, net income will be higher than it would have been. SO, even with rate reductions these folks may actually pay more. The middle class has never shared in the sealth available through massive deductions. The elimination of these will not impact the middle class to any great degree, but the rate reduction will lower their taxes.
As for DT's tax returns--stick to what you know and cut the speculation. Were you under an audit I doubt your returns, which are a major source of info for the audit, would be made public. Try applying a but of logic and reason. Lay off the 'hate Trump' band wagon and dwell on items that are germane to the lives of Americans overall. PLEASE--Try it.

1. I got my info from the Treasury Secretary's statements when asked about middle class tax cuts.....

2. Audit? Then why did the same Treasury Secretary say Trump has "no intentions" of ever releasing his tax returns? That would include after an audit.....
 

WVPATX

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1. I got my info from the Treasury Secretary's statements when asked about middle class tax cuts.....

2. Audit? Then why did the same Treasury Secretary say Trump has "no intentions" of ever releasing his tax returns? That would include after an audit.....

I agree with Trump. I would never release his tax returns. The media has been ruthlessly negative. 91% negative. Why give them any more ammunition to distort, lie, deceive, etc. Let them eat cake.