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Trump keeping it real.

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🚨 Trump just reminded the press they should be GRATEFUL for the amount of access he gives them

He just allowed them to stay in the cabinet room for over THREE HOURS with him.

"You've not had this happen for FOUR YEARS."

"You sat and you'd ask one question to Biden, and it was always the ice cream question, right? 'What flavor ice cream do you like?' 'Uhhh... uhhh... I like vanilla!' And that was the end of the conference."
 
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A couple of comments on that best to worst ranking:

1. It's inherently subjective, so you always have to consider the source of the ranking. The American Political Science Association is certainly not a haven of partisanship (it's more of an academic/historians group), but I would concede that there is a bit of liberal slant in this ranking.

2. I think any ranking of Presidents should specifically exclude Presidents whose last term in office ended less than, say, forty years ago. It takes some time for perspectives on a President's accomplishments and defaults to settle and crystallize, and for partisan considerations to become less influential in evaluating his ranking. I am personally a big Obama fan, but No. 7? He likely gets a bump for being the first black president, but I wonder if he will remain at No. 7 several decades from now. Biden seems too high, as well.

3. I think LBJ is too highly ranked, and there's no way I'm putting George Washington any lower than 2nd. Perhaps the biggest inaccuracy is putting James K. Polk (our 11th President) at No. 25. Over the years, I've seen him consistently ranked between 5 and 10 in these rankings. Most Americans these days have zero knowledge of his accomplishments, but they were considerable. Check this out:

Throughout his controversial time in office, President Polk successfully added vast amounts of land and strengthened the U.S. economy. Nationalism grew through the Mexican-American War. Polk established his administration through the continuous expansion of American territory. The Mexican-American War started in 1846 after American soldiers invaded Mexican land located near Texas borders. Through the 1848 Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, the United States paid $15 million to acquire California, New Mexico, and the Texas border and fulfill its Manifest Destiny goals, thus obtaining parts of seven states. Meanwhile, Polk's 54-40 or Fight! Although his 54-40 or Fight! slogan advocated for Oregon sovereignty nationwide, the United States obtained the U.S.-Canada border at the 49th parallel, thus escaping potential dual conflicts against Mexico and Britain at the same time.
 
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LafayetteBear said:
A couple of comments on that best to worst ranking:

1. It's inherently subjective, so you always have to consider the source of the ranking. The American Political Science Association is certainly not a haven of partisanship (it's more of an academic/historians group), but I would concede that there is a bit of liberal slant in this ranking.

2. I think any ranking of Presidents should specifically exclude Presidents whose last term in office ended less than, say, forty years ago. It takes some time for perspectives on a President's accomplishments and defaults to settle and crystallize, and for partisan considerations to become less influential in evaluating his ranking. I am personally a big Obama fan, but No. 7? He likely gets a bump for being the first black president, but I wonder if he will remain at No. 7 several decades from now. Biden seems too high, as well.

3. I think LBJ is too highly ranked, and there's no way I'm putting George Washington any lower than 2nd. Perhaps the biggest inaccuracy is putting James K. Polk (our 11th President) at No. 25. Over the years, I've seen him consistently ranked between 5 and 10 in these rankings. Most Americans these days have zero knowledge of his accomplishments, but they were considerable. Check this out:

Throughout his controversial time in office, President Polk successfully added vast amounts of land and strengthened the U.S. economy. Nationalism grew through the Mexican-American War. Polk established his administration through the continuous expansion of American territory. The Mexican-American War started in 1846 after American soldiers invaded Mexican land located near Texas borders. Through the 1848 Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, the United States paid $15 million to acquire California, New Mexico, and the Texas border and fulfill its Manifest Destiny goals, thus obtaining parts of seven states. Meanwhile, Polk's 54-40 or Fight! Although his 54-40 or Fight! slogan advocated for Oregon sovereignty nationwide, the United States obtained the U.S.-Canada border at the 49th parallel, thus escaping potential dual conflicts against Mexico and Britain at the same time.
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I'm not even speaking to how partisan the ranking might be but I enjoy presenting it to TigerGrowls as official, LOL.

And noted about waiting until you can accurately rank them but depending on the criteria, you could easily make a case for Trump being the worst, due to the pathological lying, the election denying, the insurrection, the parole of the insurrectionists, the dismantling of our institutions, blackmailing the media, law firms and universities that won't bend to his will, etc.... I could go on but no president has ever created this much havoc and destruction and I don't think it's close IMO.

You make a good case for Polk!
 
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LafayetteBear said:
A couple of comments on that best to worst ranking:

1. It's inherently subjective, so you always have to consider the source of the ranking. The American Political Science Association is certainly not a haven of partisanship (it's more of an academic/historians group), but I would concede that there is a bit of liberal slant in this ranking.

2. I think any ranking of Presidents should specifically exclude Presidents whose last term in office ended less than, say, forty years ago. It takes some time for perspectives on a President's accomplishments and defaults to settle and crystallize, and for partisan considerations to become less influential in evaluating his ranking. I am personally a big Obama fan, but No. 7? He likely gets a bump for being the first black president, but I wonder if he will remain at No. 7 several decades from now. Biden seems too high, as well.

3. I think LBJ is too highly ranked, and there's no way I'm putting George Washington any lower than 2nd. Perhaps the biggest inaccuracy is putting James K. Polk (our 11th President) at No. 25. Over the years, I've seen him consistently ranked between 5 and 10 in these rankings. Most Americans these days have zero knowledge of his accomplishments, but they were considerable. Check this out:

Throughout his controversial time in office, President Polk successfully added vast amounts of land and strengthened the U.S. economy. Nationalism grew through the Mexican-American War. Polk established his administration through the continuous expansion of American territory. The Mexican-American War started in 1846 after American soldiers invaded Mexican land located near Texas borders. Through the 1848 Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, the United States paid $15 million to acquire California, New Mexico, and the Texas border and fulfill its Manifest Destiny goals, thus obtaining parts of seven states. Meanwhile, Polk's 54-40 or Fight! Although his 54-40 or Fight! slogan advocated for Oregon sovereignty nationwide, the United States obtained the U.S.-Canada border at the 49th parallel, thus escaping potential dual conflicts against Mexico and Britain at the same time.
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before anybody ranks LBJ they have to watch "Vietnam: the turning point"
 
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LafayetteBear said:
A couple of comments on that best to worst ranking:

1. It's inherently subjective, so you always have to consider the source of the ranking. The American Political Science Association is certainly not a haven of partisanship (it's more of an academic/historians group), but I would concede that there is a bit of liberal slant in this ranking.

2. I think any ranking of Presidents should specifically exclude Presidents whose last term in office ended less than, say, forty years ago. It takes some time for perspectives on a President's accomplishments and defaults to settle and crystallize, and for partisan considerations to become less influential in evaluating his ranking. I am personally a big Obama fan, but No. 7? He likely gets a bump for being the first black president, but I wonder if he will remain at No. 7 several decades from now. Biden seems too high, as well.

3. I think LBJ is too highly ranked, and there's no way I'm putting George Washington any lower than 2nd. Perhaps the biggest inaccuracy is putting James K. Polk (our 11th President) at No. 25. Over the years, I've seen him consistently ranked between 5 and 10 in these rankings. Most Americans these days have zero knowledge of his accomplishments, but they were considerable. Check this out:

Throughout his controversial time in office, President Polk successfully added vast amounts of land and strengthened the U.S. economy. Nationalism grew through the Mexican-American War. Polk established his administration through the continuous expansion of American territory. The Mexican-American War started in 1846 after American soldiers invaded Mexican land located near Texas borders. Through the 1848 Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, the United States paid $15 million to acquire California, New Mexico, and the Texas border and fulfill its Manifest Destiny goals, thus obtaining parts of seven states. Meanwhile, Polk's 54-40 or Fight! Although his 54-40 or Fight! slogan advocated for Oregon sovereignty nationwide, the United States obtained the U.S.-Canada border at the 49th parallel, thus escaping potential dual conflicts against Mexico and Britain at the same time.
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Washington, Lincoln, Trump, Reagan.

Trump could go to one before this term is over.
 
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dpic73 said:
And noted about waiting until you can accurately rank them but depending on the criteria, you could easily make a case for Trump being the worst, due to the pathological lying, the election denying, the insurrection, the parole of the insurrectionists, the dismantling of our institutions, blackmailing the media, law firms and universities that won't bend to his will, etc.... I could go on but no president has ever created this much havoc and destruction and I don't think it's close IMO.
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I fully agree with you about Donald Trump. He is in a class by himself. In the future, rankings of presidents will all be asking who is the SECOND WORST president ever. Trump has locked down the title of WOAT and thrown away the key. Even the majority of Trump Cultists will one day be embarrassed to admit that they voted for him.
 
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Holy hell, this man is such a lowlife cancer - anything that harm liberals is his priority. Conversely, when they asked Biden why he placed most of the Chips jobs in red states, he said because they need it the most.


Trump says Huntsville to be known as 'Rocket City'​

Making his announcement of the move from Space Command from Colorado, President Donald Trump said: “I am thrilled to report that the U.S. Space Command headquarters will move to the beautiful locale of a place called Huntsville, Alabama — forever to be known, from this point forward, as Rocket City.”

“The problem I have with Colorado — one of the big problems — they do mail-in voting,” Trump added somewhat incongruously.

"They went to all mail in voting, so they have automatically crooked elections. And we can't have that."
 
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well, this would be a debate that goes nowhere.
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Reagan committed more than a few crimes in masterminding the Iran-Contra scheme. He escaped prosecution by claiming that he didn't know or remember anything about the whole scheme, when it was obvious that he oversaw it. His Alzheimers was perhaps incipient when all of that was going on, but he clearly still had possession of his faculties despite the head twitches and palsy of the hands. Trump was convicted of 34 felonies, and would have been convicted of many more had the Supreme Court and that moron of a Florida District Judge not carried his legal water.
 
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Just showed that Adderall to the world before he took it. Orange Badger don't gaf.

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