Don't give up on Ray and our BBall Team just yet...

[fishwater99]

http://www.cdispatch.com/msusports/article.asp?aid=29420

"We need to get (Craig Sword) more help on the offensive end," Ready said. "If we are going to shoot 18 3-pointers in the game, but we have to make more of them. We have to get to the gym and make shots. Some of us aren't getting in the gym and putting the work in."

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IJ Ready was pissed after last night, and Sword, Ware and Johnson can play ball. But they need some help.
I don't think we have seen the real IJ Ready yet, he is still hurt.
We just need a few more SEC players, like a 3 point shooter and another big man.

I think most of us can agree that a change was needed at the Head Coaching position.
Time will tell if Scott made a bad decision or not, is Ray our Croom of basketball, maybe?
Rick needs to learn to recruit and do it in a hurry, or I will be ready for him to leave too.
We need to make room for Pollard and sign a shooter and a Big Man ASAP...

We can't live and Die by the 3 Ball...

 

[Dawg1976]

Well it's either going to light a fire under them or do the opposite. Hopefully they will pick it up a notch or two.

 

[The Peeper]

He needs to beat a top 20 team, soon, just sayin..........**

 

[MagnificentBastard]

Reality is that MSU basketball has become irrelevant for me and most MSU fans. It wouldn't be that way if Stansbury were still coaching and everyone that reads this knows that I'm right.

 

[MadDawg.sixpack]

Reality is that MSU basketball has become irrelevant for me and most MSU fans. It wouldn't be that way if Stansbury were still coaching and everyone that reads this knows that I'm right.

Our basketball team is made for the radio. Listening to the radio guys, you'd think we weren't half bad. Watching them with your own eyes dispells that notion.

I agree 100%, MB.

 

[Sutterkane]

Rick Ray is STILL 0-3 vs top 20 teams

 

[pmack65]

Totally disagree. There are many more fans then you realize (besides those on this board) that are glad Stansbury is gone.

 

[shannondawg]

I went to the Jackson State game, and out of courtesy did not leave at the half. My wife told me that I would be making the trip by myself here on out.

What really disturbs me, an my heart tells me this , Ray can't recruit, he will leave in a couple of years, leave us without any players, no coach of any experience will take the job, we will go on being last for a long time, just as we did before we hired Richard Williams because no one else would take the job , he hired Stansbury and the rest is history..

On another note. Now selling SEC tickets at half price, I paid full price for floor seats and will be billed $500 per seat for a premium, paying that for this brand of play, not to mention $5 cokes , $3 popcorn kinda makes me wonder if I am in full control of my senses.

On another tread it was said that Stansbury didn't have a S&C coach. he had the same one that Ray has. Richard Adkins.

 

[fishwater99]

Reality is that MSU basketball has become irrelevant for me and most MSU fans. It wouldn't be that way if Stansbury were still coaching and everyone that reads this knows that I'm right.

Really, we were the laughing stock of College Basketball. Stans had no control over the program or his players.
He went all in with the RSS trying to draw a straight Flush to the Sweet 16 and he lost...
The problem is when we let Stans retire, it was 2 or 3 years too late, the dumpster fire was way out of control.
No good coach wanted to take over our program in the shape it was.
Stricklin botched the hire and we ended up with little Ricky Ray. Will he turn out to be a good coach? Time will tell..

 

[Seinfeld]

Being that you were one of the poster children on C34's Fire Stansbury crew, this post does not surprise me a bit

 

[MagnificentBastard]

I think the attendance last night proves you are waaaaay off in your thinking.

 

[shannondawg]

Well he might have been a laughing stock to you, but he still won 20+ games his last year.

You will probably be older than I am, before you see us with a 20 game season..

Stricklin privately said he made a mistake, I doubt we ever see that from you...

 

[MagnificentBastard]

Yet we are still irrelevant.

 

[HD6]

The fact you say you support him but call him Little Ricky Ray, I mean, what a turd you are.

 

[NewTweederEndzoneDance]

Reality is that MSU basketball has become irrelevant for me and most MSU fans. It wouldn't be that way if Stansbury were still coaching and everyone that reads this knows that I'm right.

If Stansbury were still coaching we'd still not be very good and we'd still be the laughing stock of college basketball. How is it so hard for you people to see that he had completely lost control of the program? He was done the moment that Bailey and Sidney got into a fight in the stands on national tv and he kicked off the guy the team had voted as a team captain instead of the cancer. Period. End of discussion. If you can't see that, then you have some other issues with the Stans firing other than just being mad that we're losing games now.

 

[fishwater99]

Well he might have been a laughing stock to you, but he still won 20+ games his last year.
You will probably be older than I am, before you see us with a 20 game season..
Stricklin privately said he made a mistake, I doubt we ever see that from you...

Our basketball program was a laughing stock, Stans was just in charge of it.
When I am wrong or make a mistake I will admit it, but to say that we made a mistake by running off Stans is not one of them.
The mistake was not having him leave sooner and our AD failed to have his replacement lined-up when he left.
I have never said I liked the Rick Ray hire, but I am willing to let this season play out before I quit on him and my University.
Ray needs to get some better players or he will never have a chance to win 20 games(which isn't a big deal anymore).

 

[jmac.sixpack]

Not true

Really, we were the laughing stock of College Basketball. Stans had no control over the program or his players.
He went all in with the RSS trying to draw a straight Flush to the Sweet 16 and he lost...
The problem is when we let Stans retire, it was 2 or 3 years too late, the dumpster fire was way out of control.
No good coach wanted to take over our program in the shape it was.
Stricklin botched the hire and we ended up with little Ricky Ray. Will he turn out to be a good coach? Time will tell..

We were not the laughingstock of College Basketball - KY, FL, and MSU were the top 3 teams in wins over the last 10 years. A guy that works for me in Florida is a big North Carolina fan - he couldn't believe we got rid of our coaches. Maybe a few writers felt the way you say, but most fans around the country saw us as winners. We are NOW the laughingstock of College Basketball and will be for many years - because we are losing. (And, losing ugly - we just lost at home by 10 with a Vegas line at -8 to an average team without its best player, shot <50% at the FT line, shot 17% at 3-point line, got outrebounded by 12, and allowed 50% 3-point shooting! We are about 300th in FG defense! And many of our fans no longer keep up with basketball - they don't know when we play much less go to games.

 

[shannondawg]

Maybe to you Fish, He still won 20+ games his last year.

You will probably be older than me before you see that again..

Stricklin admitted privately that he made a mistake. I doubt that you ever will...

 

[BriantheDawg]

Yep. And all of y'all are getting exactly what you 17'n deserve.

 

[jakldawg]

With fans like these, who needs rivals?

 

[BriantheDawg]

Your laughing stock = year in, year out having a great shot at the NCAA Tournament.

My laughing stock = losing to Alabama A&M, beating Jackson State by 1 bucket & having absolutely no hope whatsoever for an NCAA Tournament birth in the very near or distant future.

Reality is a *****, ain't it?

 

[fishwater99]

Yep. And all of y'all are getting exactly what you 17'n deserve.

Why all the hate? Stans is gone, get over it. Rick Ray is our coach now.
Was he the one I wanted? No.. Was it a bad hire? Maybe..
Did we have a youg AD who was in over his head with this seach? probably so...

 

[maroonmania]

http://www.cdispatch.com/msusports/article.asp?aid=29420

"We need to get (Craig Sword) more help on the offensive end," Ready said. "If we are going to shoot 18 3-pointers in the game, but we have to make more of them. We have to get to the gym and make shots. Some of us aren't getting in the gym and putting the work in."

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IJ Ready was pissed after last night, and Sword, Ware and Johnson can play ball. But they need some help.
I don't think we have seen the real IJ Ready yet, he is still hurt.
We just need a few more SEC players, like a 3 point shooter and another big man.

I think most of us can agree that a change was needed at the Head Coaching position.
Time will tell if Scott made a bad decision or not, is Ray our Croom of basketball, maybe?
Rick needs to learn to recruit and do it in a hurry, or I will be ready for him to leave too.
We need to make room for Pollard and sign a shooter and a Big Man ASAP...

We can't live and Die by the 3 Ball...

EVERYONE associated with MSU basketball from players to coaches to fans should have been embarrassed with that effort last night. TCU is a bottom feeder Big 12 team right now with several key players injured yet still came into OUR place and had us down by nearly 20 points at one point. I thought last night for most of the game we actually looked WORSE than last year and that's saying something.

 

[MagnificentBastard]

Don't blame Stricklin for the hire. Its all we could get. Nobody with any head coaching experience would come here after you and yours ran off one of the most successful coach in MSU history. Kind of like Ole Miss firing Cutcliffe. All they could get was Orgeron. Nobody else was interested.

 

[dawgstudent]

I still want to clarify - you were ok with keeping Stansbury?

We got our own boosters supporting Phil Cunningham over their own alma mater. That's how ridiculous the situation is for Ray.

I appreciate everything Stansbury did but it was time.

 

[esplanade91]

We'd have Gray and Sword on top of Freddy, Sword, and Ware, and you have to believe we'd have better bench players and at least SOME walk-ons if Stans stayed. That's not a knock on Ray as much as it is an indication that he has no business being in Mississippi.

I wanted Stans fired for his last 2 or 3 seasons, but now I wish we would have just kicked some guys off the team and restored balance. I'd take Stans II in a heartbeat.

On a related note, my buddy met Stans at the airport this past May on his way to some eastern European country with his son to meet with some non-MSU prospect (what he was doing talking to prospects of any kind, I have no clue) and he said he gets blamed more for '12-13 than anyone else.

 

[MadDawg.sixpack]

If Stansbury were still coaching we'd still not be very good and we'd still be the laughing stock of college basketball.

I think it's hilarious that you can't see we are even a bigger laughing stock now.

 

[Sutterkane]

Isn't that a glaring coaching issue? Not getting to the gym to practice or put work in? That is a huge red flag. I gave Ray all of last year as a complete free pass with the defections, graduations, and general fallout from Stans. This year there's one player that's left from Stansbury's tenure. This is Ray's team and it is all on him, no going Obama/Croom and blaming the previous owner. I watched last night's game and I am damn near ashamed to be a state fan after that performance. I'm not watching that ******** again until we beat somebody of value, period.

 

[BriantheDawg]

Yep. My stance was that I wanted a proven upgrade if we were going to can him. Not just fire him, to fire him. I wanted Gregg Marshall, Shaka, Ray Harper - a proven HEAD COACH from a mid-major that would definitely have been an upgrade. As I said back then, it was going to be extremely hard to hire a guy like that though, because our message board warriors held our program in a much higher light than the reality of what other coaches do/did and what we really are. I was called a defeatist by Coach34, Thick, Fishwater, D@A, all the minions.....but as it turned out, I was right.

We hired Rick Ray, an assistant on a ****** Clemson team. After hardly any interest was shown by a proven coach, our other choice was Kenny 17'n Payne. All of the warriors can say that Scott 17'd up the hiring by not giving Kennny Payne the job, but it's laughable to say he would have been a definite improvement over what we had.

So the moral is, have a 17'n plan in place and a very good idea that you are going to upgrade before you fire your all-time winnigest coach. We certainly didn't do that.

 

[engie]

having absolutely no hope whatsoever for an NCAA Tournament birth in the very near or distant future.

How can you possibly pretend to know this?

 

[BriantheDawg]

Care to make a wager?

 

[engie]

Care to make a wager?

A wager on what? I'm not the one pretending that I know the future. What I do know is it's way too damn early to be pretending that you know how this story ends with any degree of accuracy.

We are 2 pieces away from being a pretty damn competitive team. We need a pure shooter -- that Thomas is supposed to be but hasn't grown into -- and we need another 5 to go along with the continued development of Ware, Sword, and Ready.

 

[BriantheDawg]

Well you pretend to know everything else, I figured you knew the future, too.

 

[tcdog70]

Why all the hate? Stans is gone, get over it. Rick Ray is our coach now.
Was he the one I wanted? No.. Was it a bad hire? Maybe..
Did we have a youg AD who was in over his head with this seach? probably so...

We don't have to get over it, I'm still pissed. 17! Ray Charles could see Rick Ray was a stupid hire. Being gritty, isn't a formula for winning basketball games

 

[NewTweederEndzoneDance]

And I find it hilarious that some of you are incapable of separating two very distinct issues: 1. that Stans was done as our coach; 2. whether or not Ray is the right man for the job

those are 2 completely separate and distinct things.

I think it's hilarious that you can't see we are even a bigger laughing stock now.

 

[engie]

Well you pretend to know everything else, I figured you knew the future, too.

That's funny. Let's take a little trip down memory lane.

Tell ya what - call me the next time Stansbury goes winless in the SECW and loses 12 SEC games

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[TD="class: lastcol post-content, colspan: 4"]in a row. Had Cohen scheduled Northwest Rankin, MRA, Grove Park and Canton Academy as his OOC opponents this season, his *** still wouldn't be making the post season. I don't want to hear this **** about how baseball is harder to win in than basketball is in the SEC. For years and years, we've reloaded in this sport, not rebuilt. If you can't win at MSU in baseball in 3 years, then your *** needs to be gone. Period. This isn't ****** *** MState football where we're a perennial doormat who is lucky to get a good coach to come here and muchless have him stay after he has a little success. We are in the midst of the worst period of baseball since the gat damn 1940's right now. Try to pin it all on Polk all you want, but maybe you should unglue your lips from Cohen's cock for a second and realize just how ****** of a job he's actually done. I really hope he turns this **** around but for you to give him the free pass you want to give him, while at the same time continually bash the most successful coach we have on campus is laughable. Your idiocy knows no bounds.

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Would you like me to keep posting these? There's basically 4 pages on Yuku where it came from. Literally dozens of posts -- just counting the ones where you mentioned him by name. But the worst part is that even though you bashed Cohen incessantly for the first 2 years, you still managed to see the bigger picture that he was going to get 3 years no matter what -- and that it was the logical thing to do even if by the end of year 2, you weren't the least bit confident that he was actually going to get it rolling.

So -- someone gets THREE years to rebuild our baseball team through similar failures and growing pains as we're experiencing in basketball -- but you have already determined their 100% assured failure in less than 1.25 seasons in basketball? Yeah -- you are reacting logically on this**

 

[tcdog70]

A wager on what? I'm not the one pretending that I know the future. What I do know is it's way too damn early to be pretending that you know how this story ends with any degree of accuracy.

We are 2 pieces away from being a pretty damn competitive team. We need a pure shooter -- that Thomas is supposed to be but hasn't grown into -- and we need another 5 to go along with the continued development of Ware, Sword, and Ready.

Engie, it is basketball, any team is just 2 player away. What makes you think Ray can get two Players? I'll bet Stans would have had more than 1bigman and at least 1 person that could make a three.We have Chicken(who is here not because of Ray) and no help. Now I think we have some others than can play but as of right now they look lost. Hell, we should hire the chick that was announcing the game, she saw what acluster17 it was. Ware doesn't even know how to post up.

 

[dawgstudent]

I know we rehash this over and over but we will agree to disagree. At some point - if you are not making the postseason - you have to try another option regardless.

 

[MetEdDawg]

I wonder how many of you Stansbury supporters wanted Mullen gone 3 weeks ago.

Every year was a year we should have gone to the NCAA Tournament and do something under Stansbury but most of the time we fell short of expectations. Yet many wanted to keep him around because he got to some arbitrary 20 win mark and we had this "hope" that we could do something good. Never beat any decent team and lost to some very bad teams.

Mullen comes around and goes to 3 straight bowls, has one bad year (For MSU standards that he helped build) and all of a sudden we better fire him and change directions because it's clear we suck and are underachieving. But Stansbury wasn't. Some of you on here are idiots.

If anything, we should have expected MORE from basketball under Stansbury than an NCAA appearance every 3 years because of our basketball history, but some of you made excuse after excuse for Stansbury. But Mullen gets no excuses. Win, win now, and if you don't you clearly aren't good enough to coach at MSU and we must make a change, even though our history in football is horrible.

Being a Top 3-5 team in the SEC in basketball is nothing to be proud of. Did Stansbury do some good things? Sure he did. But the question is was he taking our basketball program in a bad direction? That answer is yes. Wins don't matter if your team looks like a bunch of jackass kids while doing it. I want my university to build men of character while also bringing wins to the table. You can do both. Stansbury clearly wasn't doing that and that's why he had to be let go.

 

[MadDawg.sixpack]

And I find it hilarious that some of you are incapable of separating two very distinct issues: 1. that Stans was done as our coach; 2. whether or not Ray is the right man for the job

those are 2 completely separate and distinct things.

And as I've said earlier. I was on board with "upgrading our coach". I was not down with getting rid of Stans at any cost. To do so is pretty stupid unless the coach was caught doing something illegal or higly unethical.