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I keep hearing about how Frost needs to be the next head coach at Nebraska and that if that happens he should get 5 years guaranteed, even if he has Mike Riley results for the first 3 or 4 seasons. What gives?

All these who talk big about good coaches winning right away(and if they don't, they should get fired) suddenly abandon their position when they bring up Scott.

The only thing I can think of is that it is because Frost is a home ground kid and we give those kinds of coaches special treatment. If you aren't from Nebraska or have ties, you are given a short leash and the honeymoon basically never exists. Better yet, you are labeled an experiment and are treated as doomed to fail.

All this Frost talk has brought out the hypocrisy at its finest.
 
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I keep hearing about how Frost needs to be the next head coach at Nebraska and that if that happens he should get 5 years guaranteed, even if he has Mike Riley results for the first 3 or 4 seasons. What gives?

All these *** wipes who talk big about good coaches winning right away(and if they don't, they should get fired) suddenly abandon their position when they bring up Scott.

The only thing I can think of is that it is because Frost is a home ground kid and we give those kinds of coaches special treatment. If you aren't from Nebraska or have ties, you are given a short leash and the honeymoon basically never exists. Better yet, you are labeled an experiment and are treated as doomed to fail.

All this Frost talk has brought out the hypocrisy at its finest.
Nobody is thrown a Charte Blanche in the coaching world and they have a pretty lucrative contract to protect their interests.
 

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I keep hearing about how Frost needs to be the next head coach at Nebraska and that if that happens he should get 5 years guaranteed, even if he has Mike Riley results for the first 3 or 4 seasons. What gives?

All these *** wipes who talk big about good coaches winning right away(and if they don't, they should get fired) suddenly abandon their position when they bring up Scott.

The only thing I can think of is that it is because Frost is a home ground kid and we give those kinds of coaches special treatment. If you aren't from Nebraska or have ties, you are given a short leash and the honeymoon basically never exists. Better yet, you are labeled an experiment and are treated as doomed to fail.

All this Frost talk has brought out the hypocrisy at its finest.

I think all coaches should be given 38.5 years even if they get rolled by Lincoln East high school.

That way they have enough time to finally get a staff in place and get their offense installed.

Need to give everyone a fair shake.
 
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I keep hearing about how Frost needs to be the next head coach at Nebraska and that if that happens he should get 5 years guaranteed, even if he has Mike Riley results for the first 3 or 4 seasons. What gives?

All these *** wipes who talk big about good coaches winning right away(and if they don't, they should get fired) suddenly abandon their position when they bring up Scott.

The only thing I can think of is that it is because Frost is a home ground kid and we give those kinds of coaches special treatment. If you aren't from Nebraska or have ties, you are given a short leash and the honeymoon basically never exists. Better yet, you are labeled an experiment and are treated as doomed to fail.

All this Frost talk has brought out the hypocrisy at its finest.

I agree...

Sadly the real hypocrisy started with the old "A monkey could win 9 games at NU" That seems to have gone away.

If the next coach is Frost, he better win games and a lot of them.
 

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I keep hearing about how Frost needs to be the next head coach at Nebraska and that if that happens he should get 5 years guaranteed, even if he has Mike Riley results for the first 3 or 4 seasons. What gives?

All these *** wipes who talk big about good coaches winning right away(and if they don't, they should get fired) suddenly abandon their position when they bring up Scott.

The only thing I can think of is that it is because Frost is a home ground kid and we give those kinds of coaches special treatment. If you aren't from Nebraska or have ties, you are given a short leash and the honeymoon basically never exists. Better yet, you are labeled an experiment and are treated as doomed to fail.

All this Frost talk has brought out the hypocrisy at its finest.
You’re right, we should give Riles a minimum of 10 more years so he can absolutely prove even more-so that he’s not the right answer.
 

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I agree...

Sadly the real hypocrisy started with the old "A monkey could win 9 games at NU" That seems to have gone away.

If the next coach is Frost, he better win games and a lot of them.
This is on the money. In Bo's last year or two the fans were upset about and thought nine wins combined with one or two blowouts simply wasn't enough. WE WERE RIGHT! That isn't good enough.

However, now we have a revisionist history. No longer do Riley supporters bring up the mantra of "A monkey could win nine games at Nebraska." That's long forgotten. People now act like that it wasn't the lack of wins and blowouts that got Bo fired, but the the fact that he was a jerk. Why the revision? It's not that hard to figure it out when you are the one protecting putrid play on the field.

If we hire Frost, he better win.
 
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This is on the money. In Bo's last year or two the fans were upset about and thought nine wins combined with one or two blowouts simply wasn't enough. WE WERE RIGHT! That isn't good enough.

However, now we have a revisionist history. No longer do Riley supporters bring up the mantra of "A monkey could win nine games at Nebraska." That's long forgotten. People now act like that it wasn't the lack of wins and blowouts that got Bo fired, but the the fact that he was a jerk. Why the revision? It's not that hard to figure it out when you are the one protecting putrid play on the field.

If we hire Frost, he better win.
I'm sorry, Bo is gone.... I know it bugs you, but pretending to be a female won't fix this.
 

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No longer do Riley supporters bring up the mantra of "A monkey could win nine games at Nebraska."

jawbreaking-whatever his name was is the only poster that made the monkey comment. Nobody else so quit the ********. He's also the same poster that claims he wants the President assassinated. Mr (fake) Preacher, you're as big of a loser as he is.

OP is right, there is a double standard.
 
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Here is the problem with this fan base in general. I have probably said this before but it needs repeating, because I would bet many people share this same thought process.

Because a guy supports Riley, that doesn't mean he is a believer in Riley or that he will get the job done. I will just use myself as an example. I was so ready for Bo to go and very vocal, (on another board) in my disgust of that man. Because of the lack of interest for the previous hires, I probably knew we weren't going to get the home run hire everyone wanted. But since I was so vocal for him to go, I figured I had to take what I get. Soon after the hire, it became obvious a lot of people had a similar opinion with the hire. I found my self defending Riley even though I didn't really support or agree with the hire. I had simply grown tired of bitching full time. So I decided to look for any positives and looking for ways that it could work rather than just complaining for the next 3-5 years about a decision that I had absolutely no control over. Unfortunately, that put me in a position to, at times, to argue a position contrary to my true opinions. It is what it is. But Nebraska football had become something that simply wasn't fun for me when Pelini was here, so, as I said, I took a fresh approach with the current staff, in an attempt to make the game enjoyable again. As a guy who loves X's and O's, it also gave me something new to research and learn more in depth.

Additionally, it's also fun to be a contrarian sometimes.

I will say that I don't owe anyone an apology or need to bow at their feet because they had an opinion about a football coach. Sorry, get over yourself.
 

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I keep hearing about how Frost needs to be the next head coach at Nebraska and that if that happens he should get 5 years guaranteed, even if he has Mike Riley results for the first 3 or 4 seasons. What gives?

All these *** wipes who talk big about good coaches winning right away(and if they don't, they should get fired) suddenly abandon their position when they bring up Scott.

The only thing I can think of is that it is because Frost is a home ground kid and we give those kinds of coaches special treatment. If you aren't from Nebraska or have ties, you are given a short leash and the honeymoon basically never exists. Better yet, you are labeled an experiment and are treated as doomed to fail.

All this Frost talk has brought out the hypocrisy at its finest.

Not all but I think more than half would be okay with keeping Riley around another year if we get to 7 wins. Even six at this point if the recruiting train keeps rolling. Miss a bowl game though and it would be hard to justify giving him another year.
 

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jawbreaking-whatever his name was is the only poster that made the monkey comment. Nobody else so quit the ********. He's also the same poster that claims he wants the President assassinated. Mr (fake) Preacher, you're as big of a loser as he is.

OP is right, there is a double standard.
Nice deflection. I have no idea who uttered those exact words. But I do know that the phrase's sentiment that nine wins along with one or two blowout losses a year was not good enough. And that is why Bo was fired.
 

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Unfortunately, for many, it's Frost or bust. Unless the new AD hires Frost, there is going to be a segment of the fan base that will continue to be unhappy.

If Frost ends up being the guy, and doesn't win, there will be a double standard. The things that were excuses for Riley will now be legit reasons for others. I am not saying it's right or wrong, its just life, but don't pretend that there won't be a double standard.
 

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Not all but I think more than half would be okay with keeping Riley around another year if we get to 7 wins. Even six at this point if the recruiting train keeps rolling. Miss a bowl game though and it would be hard to justify giving him another year.
What's interesting is that it appears that we are still in good shape after the last 3 weeks with some really high profile recruits. It makes a BIG difference when a coaching staff is genuinely selling the school instead of themselves against the world. Riley and his staff are constantly saying "there is no place like Nebraska" or "this place is an amazing place to go to school" or "Nebraskans are the nicest people". Kinda hurts when your head coach is out there saying "screw the fans". Of course booing the QB Saturday probably doesn't help but that was pretty mild compared to what he would have gotten at most schools.
 
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I think 5 years is fair with the caveat of you cannot have a major disaster after years 1-2.

A losing record in year 3 I think would qualify as a disaster. A new AD is going to be in place in case the season end up as a disaster.

A couple of things in retrospect -

The Riley hire was a little bit out of left field, I do not recall hearing his name come up at all in speculation following the Pelini firing. A certain % of the fan base was skeptical from the get go. The give away games in his first year didn't help as well as how the season ended last year. Having said that I think it was a reasonable hire at the time.

Riley shot himself in the foot with his original staff hires - probably the most important task a new coach has is assembling a quality staff. This has been rehashed but it appears to have been a large failure - almost the entire defensive staff has been replaced and now we are onto speculation regarding the offensive side of the ball. It remains to be seen if he can weather "the reboot" that is now taking place as a result of his initial hiring decisions.

We shot ourselves in the foot by hiring a coach with a completely different offensive philosophy than what was in place at the time of his hire. This is why I would advocate - IF THERE IS GOING TO BE A NEW HIRE - for a coach that can run a similar offense to what Wisconsin runs. Overtime that offense can morph into more of a spread attack if desired - but another complete change in offensive philosophy is going to be tough. As for Riley, if you are going to run a pro-style offense without the ability or desire to run the ball effectively (coupled with growing pains on defense) you better be damn sure you have a capable QB or you are sunk.

Riley can still save his job by winning - the Illinois game is a must as are the NW, Minnesota and Purdue games.

A winning record in the BIG, I think can and should save his job. Tough, tough task from the quality of play I have seem thus far but not impossible.

The question is what do you do at 6-6??? Stay the course or pull the plug?? Personally I think it depends on whether or not you have an A list head coach on the line as a replacement - if not you ride it out and hope for the best.
 

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Nice deflection. I have no idea who uttered those exact words. But I do know that the phrase's sentiment that nine wins along with one or two blowout losses a year was not good enough. And that is why Bo was fired.

The blowout losses are what people that don't have a problem with Pelini attitude use as the reason he was fired. The piss poor attitude is what others use. It was both, if he wins some of those games he still has his job. If he had a better attitude and persona, he would still have his job.

You are deflecting.
 

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Nice deflection. I have no idea who uttered those exact words. But I do know that the phrase's sentiment that nine wins along with one or two blowout losses a year was not good enough. And that is why Bo was fired.

You build a straw man in every argument. It isn't as simple as wins and blow outs. If Bo would have built some good will he very likely could have survived longer. Instead he berated fans, pissed himself, spit at and nearly struck a ref while flinging his hate in a fury of anger.

But go on arguing against that straw man to make your point.
 

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You build a straw man in every argument. It isn't as simple as wins and blow outs. If Bo would have built some good will he very likely could have survived longer. Instead he berated fans, pissed himself, spit at and nearly struck a ref while flinging his hate in a fury of anger.

But go on arguing against that straw man to make your point.
Hell Bo had Tom's support and screwed that up. He didn't even really have to build good will. He had it given to him and he blew it. He could have been coach for a a couple of decades winning 9 games if he could have controlled himself.
 

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Nice deflection. I have no idea who uttered those exact words. But I do know that the phrase's sentiment that nine wins along with one or two blowout losses a year was not good enough.

Deflect what? One poster, not multiple like you falsely claimed, made the comment. He's the same poster that wants the POTUS assassinated. There is no deflection.

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And that is why Bo was fired

False.
 

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You build a straw man in every argument. It isn't as simple as wins and blow outs. If Bo would have built some good will he very likely could have survived longer. Instead he berated fans, pissed himself, spit at and nearly struck a ref while flinging his hate in a fury of anger.

But go on arguing against that straw man to make your point.
Revisionist history at its finest. To say that the results on the field were acceptable during Bo's tenure is ludicrous. Bo didn't win enough...and he was fired...and SE was right to do it.

It's crazy to think that people are now thinking that Bo's results were acceptable. People are bending over backward to support that record and say, "See...no double standard here."
 

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Not all but I think more than half would be okay with keeping Riley around another year if we get to 7 wins. Even six at this point if the recruiting train keeps rolling. Miss a bowl game though and it would be hard to justify giving him another year.
Keeps rolling? When did it ever roll? Cut him loose at the end of the year and try someone else. This experiment is over!
 

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Unfortunately, for many, it's Frost or bust. Unless the new AD hires Frost, there is going to be a segment of the fan base that will continue to be unhappy.

If Frost ends up being the guy, and doesn't win, there will be a double standard. The things that were excuses for Riley will now be legit reasons for others. I am not saying it's right or wrong, its just life, but don't pretend that there won't be a double standard.
Quit making stuff up dude! If the next guy doesn’t get it done it will be on to the next. Keep on trying till we find the right guy. Alabama went through lots of guys till they got Saban.

There are no excuses for Riley. Eichorst gave him EVERYTHING he needed and he didn’t get it done! Rilywas a VERY underwhelming hire!
 

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My biggest problem with Pelini was complacency. We didn't have turnover problems, the defense was good, recruits won't come here so we'll quit trying, we won 9 games why are people upset.Throw in the foul temperament and then it's time for a change.

If Riley was knocking out 8 or 9 wins a year, I don't know that we'd be seeing so much unrest. We gave up 42 first half points. We lost to NIU. Some people (including me) see the start to a death spiral as opposed to some really big bumps in the road.

In order to have double standard, you first need to have two things that are relatively equal, and then apply different reasoning or judgement to each case. If our next coach, whenever that is, starts the 3rd season with a death spiral, I'll agree with preparations for change.
 
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Quit making stuff up dude! If the next guy doesn’t get it done it will be on to the next. Keep on trying till we find the right guy. Alabama went through lots of guys till they got Saban.

There are no excuses for Riley. Eichorst gave him EVERYTHING he needed and he didn’t get it done! Rilywas a VERY underwhelming hire!

So if Eichorst gave him everything he needed, why was Eichorst fired? You are making stuff up.
 

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Keeps rolling? When did it ever roll? Cut him loose at the end of the year and try someone else. This experiment is over!
Sorry but this isn't an experiment. MR should be given a minimum of 5 years. Bo left the cupboards bare and we all know it. MR has exceeded all my expectations in the recruiting aspect. Let this play out. I do think that a change needs to be made on the Oline though.
 

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Sorry but this isn't an experiment. MR should be given a minimum of 5 years. Bo left the cupboards bare and we all know it. MR has exceeded all my expectations in the recruiting aspect. Let this play out. I do think that a change needs to be made on the Oline though.

I disagree but I do think the new AD gives him one more year. It is a smart move for a new AD to keep him for a year and look like a stud if it works and if it doesn't he gets to can him and hire "his guy" basically giving the AD another 3-4 years.
 

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I disagree but I do think the new AD gives him one more year. It is a smart move for a new AD to keep him for a year and look like a stud if it works and if it doesn't he gets to can him and hire "his guy" basically giving the AD another 3-4 years.

I said this last week, but the new permanent AD is not firing Riley this year unless the interim AD becomes the permanent. I don't think you will see a new AD hired before November 1. That will give Riley enough time to see if he is going to meet Bounds/ Green "competetive" stipulation. If he doesn't, it will be those people that fire Riley. There will be a statement that Mike Riley will finish the season but won't return next year or Riley will say he has decided to "retire" negotiate a buyout and move on. If none of that happens, Riley will be back in 2018.
 

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I said this last week, but the new permanent AD is not firing Riley this year unless the interim AD becomes the permanent. I don't think you will see a new AD hired before November 1. That will give Riley enough time to see if he is going to meet Bounds/ Green "competetive" stipulation. If he doesn't, it will be those people that fire Riley. There will be a statement that Mike Riley will finish the season but won't return next year or Riley will say he has decided to "retire" negotiate a buyout and move on. If none of that happens, Riley will be back in 2018.
Yeah, I agree, I don't think the interim AD will do any firing at all.
 

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Sorry but this isn't an experiment. MR should be given a minimum of 5 years. Bo left the cupboards bare and we all know it. MR has exceeded all my expectations in the recruiting aspect. Let this play out. I do think that a change needs to be made on the Oline though.
I'm not ready to throw Cav under the bus just yet. IMO given the horrible injury situation we had last year he did a pretty good job. His first recruiting class was a last minute wasted year and everybody should admit that. We're just starting to see those redshirt freshmen of his 2nd class play and for young guys they show some promise. We started a true freshman tackle Saturday that may very well be the left tackle of the future. They seemed to play better Saturday and Rutgers had a pretty darned good front 7 guys. IF they continue to improve even though we're down 3 guys already due to injury, that speaks pretty well of Cav's development. I'm waiting to see how they're playing at the end of the year before I write an epitaph to Cav's Husker coaching career. We just have to let things play out.
 
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I keep hearing about how Frost needs to be the next head coach at Nebraska and that if that happens he should get 5 years guaranteed, even if he has Mike Riley results for the first 3 or 4 seasons. What gives?

All these who talk big about good coaches winning right away(and if they don't, they should get fired) suddenly abandon their position when they bring up Scott.

The only thing I can think of is that it is because Frost is a home ground kid and we give those kinds of coaches special treatment. If you aren't from Nebraska or have ties, you are given a short leash and the honeymoon basically never exists. Better yet, you are labeled an experiment and are treated as doomed to fail.

All this Frost talk has brought out the hypocrisy at its finest.

I think the lack of patience with Riley comes from the fact that he's been a head coach for 20 years and never won anything. This isn't a young first-time head coach who is still learning the ropes. He also probably doesn't have many years left regardless because of his age, so even if he does turn things around in the next couple of years, he will likely be retiring soon and then we have to start over with a new staff anyway. Which is why it was such a confusing hire in the first place.

If we have a losing season this year, he's gone. You cannot have 2 losing seasons in 3 years at a program like Nebraska. I can't think of any coaches who had 2 losing seasons in their first 3 years at a major program, and later went on to win championships.
 
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Here is the problem with this fan base in general. I have probably said this before but it needs repeating, because I would bet many people share this same thought process.

Because a guy supports Riley, that doesn't mean he is a believer in Riley or that he will get the job done. ......
This is about where I am at. I will say that the reality that actual football talent (the ability to make plays) for just a few positions really does change the fortunes of a football team. It's possible that we just have fewer of those kinds of players on our team. Say what you want about TMart and Tommy, but they could make plays. They could also make you want to pull out your hair. Some of this may be function of coaching plus scheme. For example, Bo took pretty much the same players that underperformed under Bohl and crafted a much different D. He did this again when he took over for Callahan. Diaco may be in the process of doing this now for the defense. Some of this may also be a function of experience and age of the players.
Pull the plug on Riley, a guy who is very well respected in the college ranks. Realize that those other coaches you court are very much mindful of the fate of coaches post-TO. That is, two that won at rates just a notch below TO and Bob were shown the door. And Riley is on the hot seat just into season three after the first sign of adversity. Do not be surprised if your pool of potentials is much thinner than you'd like.
Do the fans have the ability to allow the program to succeed? And I am not saying that's Riley. Do were have the ability to let the process work itself out without losing our fecal material?
Maybe this team looks different in a few weeks, maybe not. I'd wager at least some of you are hoping for a Callahanesque season 4 finish. I am not.
 

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This is about where I am at. I will say that the reality that actual football talent (the ability to make plays) for just a few positions really does change the fortunes of a football team. It's possible that we just have fewer of those kinds of players on our team. Say what you want about TMart and Tommy, but they could make plays. They could also make you want to pull out your hair. Some of this may be function of coaching plus scheme. For example, Bo took pretty much the same players that underperformed under Bohl and crafted a much different D. He did this again when he took over for Callahan. Diaco may be in the process of doing this now for the defense. Some of this may also be a function of experience and age of the players.
Pull the plug on Riley, a guy who is very well respected in the college ranks. Realize that those other coaches you court are very much mindful of the fate of coaches post-TO. That is, two that won at rates just a notch below TO and Bob were shown the door. And Riley is on the hot seat just into season three after the first sign of adversity. Do not be surprised if your pool of potentials is much thinner than you'd like.
Do the fans have the ability to allow the program to succeed? And I am not saying that's Riley. Do were have the ability to let the process work itself out without losing our fecal material?
Maybe this team looks different in a few weeks, maybe not. I'd wager at least some of you are hoping for a Callahanesque season 4 finish. I am not.
I know a college volleyball coach that turned down a significant pay raise at his alma mater because of the turnover they had. He said, "the expectations were out of control for the conference they play in. I'll have to work harder to get the same recruits I'm getting where I'm at. And they'll fire me after 2-3 years if I don't meet their unrealistic expectations. I'm staying where I'm at."
 

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Sorry but this isn't an experiment. MR should be given a minimum of 5 years. Bo left the cupboards bare and we all know it. MR has exceeded all my expectations in the recruiting aspect. Let this play out. I do think that a change needs to be made on the Oline though.
I don't necessarily think Riley will end up being the guy, but you can't get rid of him before even his first class is seniors. Most are redshirt sophomores from a class that was completely rushed. It's stupid to not give someone a legitimate shot.
 

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I don't necessarily think Riley will end up being the guy, but you can't get rid of him before even his first class is seniors. Most are redshirt sophomores from a class that was completely rushed. It's stupid to not give someone a legitimate shot.
Yes it is. But Bounds and Green seem to have initiated a process that will end with Riley being shown the door. It is unlikely he will see his first full class get four years, as his first QB recruit in only a RS freshman.
 
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Yes it is. But Bounds and Green seem to have initiated a process that will end with Riley being shown the door. It is unlikely he will see his first full class get four years, as his first QB recruit in only a RS freshman.

Agree in theory, but his first QB recruit is a 5th year junior. Lee should be playing better than he is.
 

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I think the lack of patience with Riley comes from the fact that he's been a head coach for 20 years and never won anything. This isn't a young first-time head coach who is still learning the ropes. He also probably doesn't have many years left regardless because of his age, so even if he does turn things around in the next couple of years, he will likely be retiring soon and then we have to start over with a new staff anyway. Which is why it was such a confusing hire in the first place.

If we have a losing season this year, he's gone. You cannot have 2 losing seasons in 3 years at a program like Nebraska. I can't think of any coaches who had 2 losing seasons in their first 3 years at a major program, and later went on to win championships.
Maybe we shouldn't provide on-the-job training to unproven head coaches then. Marquee programs that are pining for the limelight shouldn't make that gamble.

We also cannot ignore the undertaking that Riley encountered. It was both a roster related undertaking as well as cultural. No other coach in Nebraska history had to do so much in so little in these regards.

If Riley gets canned, he can be rest assured that he left the program in a much better place then when he found it. Hopefully his work will aid Nebraska's future success once he's gone.
 
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