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dinglefritz

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I consider some of the names the bigger time. We are obviously going to get some lower recruits but Top 20 should be the goal, and will happen. Bookie, Josh Moore, Chase Williams, and others are absolute game changers. If we added Parsons, or some others.. This class is going to be very highly rated. I don't think Nebraska will be consistently TOp 10 ever in recruiting with any coach, but Top 15 or around there is doable, and shouldn't be outside the Top 20. But looking at recruiting rankings before we have some of our biggest events is stupid.
IF Momma ain't happy, nobody's happy and in most cases Momma has the final say. Heck there's a good percentage of kids that don't have a dad in the household to have ANY say.
 
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RealTucoSalamanca

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The academic graduation rates have fallen since Mike Riley has been coach.

you realize those numbers are based on Pelini recruits correct. It would be difficult for any of Riley recruits to have graduated already. Now if you want to blame Riley for not spending his time making sure kids take advantage of a free education. I guess.
 
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LZZOSO

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IF Momma ain't happy, nobody's happy and in most cases Momma has the final say. Heck there's a good percentage of kids that don't have a dad in the household to have ANY say.

Very true. Like I've stated, I am not an MR apologist. I want the Huskers to win period, but to ignore the genuine relationship Mike and his wife have with these kids is stupid. If it turns sour for Mike, it going to feel crappy just because he is a great human being who does it the right way. Business is business and we need wins, but coach Riley is a relationship builder.
 

SnohomishRed

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Very true. Like I've stated, I am not an MR apologist. I want the Huskers to win period, but to ignore the genuine relationship Mike and his wife have with these kids is stupid. If it turns sour for Mike, it going to feel crappy just because he is a great human being who does it the right way. Business is business and we need wins, but coach Riley is a relationship builder.
I think that is true and makes this whole situation even tougher. Mike Riley is a good man, works hard and has some terrific attributes as a coach. The problem we are facing is the team is not playing well and losing. So what do you do give him another couple of years and potentially lose a good chunk of fans if the team does not get much better or start over again and have all the same issues as before ie new system, players upset their coach and assistant coach was fired.

There is no good answer , I say no matter how the season goes Riley is going to get the full season to produce. The assistant coaches have motivation for either keeping their job here is a change is made or building their resume for somewhere else. For myself I am doubtful he survives but it would be best for the program if i am wrong
 

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Darin Erstad is seen as "making progress", why, Tom Osborne hire and Nebraska guy. In 5 years, he has 2 NCAA appearances and 1 NCAA win. Mike Anderson is viewed as a poor coach even though he is 12-10 in the NCAA tournament.

*3 NCAA appearances, conference title and 3 2nd place finishes isn't anything to blow off. He took over a program that didn't make a regional in 3 consecutive seasons.

Mike Anderson lost control of the baseball program and the (lack of) results followed.

This response isn't in support of Erstad but to correct little inaccuracies in your response. Your larger point stands though, IMO.
 

RealTucoSalamanca

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*3 NCAA appearances, conference title and 3 2nd place finishes isn't anything to blow off. He took over a program that didn't make a regional in 3 consecutive seasons.

Mike Anderson lost control of the baseball program and the (lack of) results followed.

This response isn't in support of Erstad but to correct little inaccuracies in your response. Your larger point stands though, IMO.


My bad, I was looking at the Husker media guide and it didn't have the 2017 season. so instead of 1-4 in NCAA tournament he is 1-6.
 

jlb321_rivals110621

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Never said you did, I said your comment is a Pelini apologist comment from 2013 or 2014.

Thank you for the clarification. I was not a Pelini apologist nor will I be a Riley apologist. There has to be some "Mendoza line" that he needs to stay above to keep his job this year - IMO.

It is going to be rough with fewer than 6 wins. The N Illinos loss dug a big hole.
 

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I have never posted before but enjoy reading all of yours. I have heard or watched all but 6 or 7 husker games since 1968. That doesn't make my opinion any more credible than anybody, but here goes, and fact checks are welcome. I think pelini would have won the west last year if he was still coaching. We graduated the cumulative total of 300 career starts worth of experience. 30 seniors. If they would have still been in the same system as when they started they might have been great. However, Pelini would have been in the same predicament as Riley is this year. The down side of jucos if mismanaged is unbalanced graduation rate. Pretty good one year and crappy the next. We need to better manage the recruiting process in every aspect and keep the same coaching system in play for at least the 5 years it takes to get a freshman through graduation. Only then can we accurately and fairly assess what we have. If we continue implementing knee jerk solutions that put a band aid on the egos of fans and donors we will never exceed mediocrity. Rimington is a hero of mine but he is a publicity stunt to do just that. Scott Frost, whom I also admire, would be another example of our nepotistic tendency that is seldom successfull in any business. Riley must stay for 5 years if he will have us. Although human, he is doing good things. By this time next year we will be wanting Diaco to take his job. Defensive progress has been fast. We don't want to lose him now. We will have a couple new assistants and another pretty good recruiting class if we don't blow it by firing Riley. I remember cries for osborn's head over several years of not winning the big one. Thank goodness we had an AD with the foresight and balls to let him keep building to an eventual national title. Riley knows how to get there and is making sensible and calculated adjustments. A new coach will set us back 3 years. Riley will have us back on top in 2. Being a 61 year old construction worker time is becoming more of a factor to me so I hope we get it right this time
 

oldjar07

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Who is fighting it? I am simply pointing out that there will be a double standard because these guys are Nebraska guys. Do you think there is any coincidence to the fact that Tim Miles, hired by Tom Osborne, still has a job even though his record is considerably worse than Doc Sadler? Had Eichorst hired Miles the public demand to fire him would be greater, NCAA tournament appearance or not. Darin Erstad is seen as "making progress", why, Tom Osborne hire and Nebraska guy. In 5 years, he has 2 NCAA appearances and 1 NCAA win. Mike Anderson is viewed as a poor coach even though he is 12-10 in the NCAA tournament. Everyone says well Rob Childress was the real reason for the success, but Childress was gone after 3 years and Anderson went to 3 more NCAA tournaments after Childress left. Double standard.

As far as Frost goes, people ignore facts that don't support their viewpoint. Philip Montgomery at Tulsa took over a 2-10 team and went 6-7 the next year and made it to a bowl in year one and 10-3 last year, in that same conference that UCF is in. But on this board, Frost is the savior and Montgomery is an unkown. If Montgomery was the brought up as a candidate he would be universally dismissed. Why? Simple, he isn't a Nebraska guy.
Ok, double standard, who cares? Nothing you can do about it.
 

coachDubs

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Pelini relied heavily on jucos, and he hasn't had the chance to recruit jucos the last few years. Most of the best players Pelini had were jucos who went on to the NFL.

False all around.

That's crap, he took 2 JUCO's in 4 classes, 3 JUCO's in 1 class and 4 JUCO's in 1 class (2010). 2010 was the most he took, in his second full cycle.

Pelini's best players that went in the NFL draft were Callahan recruits; 1st rounders Suh and Amukamara. After that, it was a high school recruit named Ameer Abdullah followed by 3 JUCO's in David, SJB and Gregory. Followed by a slew of high school guys, including a walk-on.
 
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Tom Osborne: Anything worse than 7-5 “It’s going to be tough,” Osborne told them. “Because now you’re break even, and we haven’t had many break-even seasons around here. If you have a losing season, I don’t think this is going to work.”

"I never, when I was coaching here, until maybe my last three or four years, thought I could survive a losing season as head coach.”

A culture of snowflakes.
 

RealTucoSalamanca

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Does anyone else find it comical that a male preacher, pretending to be a woman, is calling people snowflakes?


Tom Osborne: Anything worse than 7-5 “It’s going to be tough,” Osborne told them. “Because now you’re break even, and we haven’t had many break-even seasons around here. If you have a losing season, I don’t think this is going to work.”

"I never, when I was coaching here, until maybe my last three or four years, thought I could survive a losing season as head coach.”

A culture of snowflakes.
 

oldjar07

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Maybe, or maybe he was better at time management which allowed him to actually develop players and do some real coaching. Seems our current staff does neither, but they aren't getting a lot of value for their time spent in today's #51 recruiting ranking either.
Exactly, Pelini recruited kids who wanted to be at Nebraska rather than beg on his knees everyday trying to get kids who don't really want to be here.
 

Toms Wife

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Nah, what's comical is that Tom knew Bob wouldn't put up with a losing season even in the early 90's. Let that set in. Now, we have people saying you can have two losing seasons in thee years and those coaches just deserve more time.

So, yes, there are snowflakes all around.
 
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coachDubs

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Exactly, Pelini recruited kids who wanted to be at Nebraska rather than beg on his knees everyday trying to get kids who don't really want to be here.

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Tyler Moore (legacy), Brion Carnes (legacy), Drake Martinez (legacy), Lazari Middleton, Chase Harper, Aaron Green, Max Pirman, Chris Williams, Aaron Curry, Joseph Carter, Dontrayvious Robinson, Bronson Marsh, Braulon Heard, Tre'vell Dixon, Trai Mosley, Dimarya Mixon, Todd Peat, Joe Keels, Deandre Wills, Jared Afalava, Mauro Bondi, Greg Hart, Ryan Klachko, Courtney Love, Chase Harper, Chase Rome, Larenzo Stewart, Bubba Starling, Monte Harrison, Thomas Brown, Ernest Suttles, Johnny Stanton, Glenn Irons, Jariah Tolbert.

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Oh, and let's not forget Avery Moss - he wanted to be at Nebraska so bad he couldn't keep his dick in his pants. Or Leroy Alexander, he wanted to be here so bad he couldn't put the juice down. Wait, Randy Gregory - Mr Puff, Puff, Pass himself.

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RealTucoSalamanca

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Nah, what's comical is that Tom knew Bob wouldn't put up with a losing season even in the early 90's. Let that set in. Now, we have people saying you can have two losing season in thee years and those coaches just deserve more time.

So, yes, there are snowflakes all around.

And you are queen snowflake.
 
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Wasker77

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Oh jesus. In words I understand huh? I have way more Oregon contacts than you, and everyone of them would take Chip back in a heartbeat. Part of being a successful coach is hiring assistants. What happened when he left. I'll hang up and listen. It'll probably be silent since you have no idea what you are talking about.

Who are your contacts? I told you mine. I hope it isn't somebody who once watched a quarter of the Ducks on TV. I will go with mine, a co-worker, a former starting player. Sure the fans will take chip back he won. I don't think the University would, though.
 

LZZOSO

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5+ major boosters, two of which I would attend multiple Duck games a year, as well as multiple former Ducks that were both starters and reserves. Lived in Beaverton for 10 years and my boss was one of these Boosters.
 

LZZOSO

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Also married to an Oregon State grad, and have run multiple races with the head Soccer coach and multiple other people who work in the athletic department if you'd like to question any knowledge I bring up about OSU as well.
 

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Exactly, Pelini recruited kids who wanted to be at Nebraska rather than beg on his knees everyday trying to get kids who don't really want to be here.
It’s posts like this one that cause people like me to respond in not very nice ways. This is just a ridiculous post.
 
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oldjar07

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False all around.

That's crap, he took 2 JUCO's in 4 classes, 3 JUCO's in 1 class and 4 JUCO's in 1 class (2010). 2010 was the most he took, in his second full cycle.

Pelini's best players that went in the NFL draft were Callahan recruits; 1st rounders Suh and Amukamara. After that, it was a high school recruit named Ameer Abdullah followed by 3 JUCO's in David, SJB and Gregory. Followed by a slew of high school guys, including a walk-on.
It's not false if you just named 3 very good players who were jucos. I actually meant to say a lot of the best guys Pelini recruited were jucos, but the statement wasn't false either way.
 

coachDubs

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It's not false if you just named 3 very good players who were jucos. I actually meant to say a lot of the best guys Pelini recruited were jucos, but the statement wasn't false either way.

False again.

Pelini relied heavily on jucos, and he hasn't had the chance to recruit jucos the last few years. Most of the best players Pelini had were jucos who went on to the NFL.

1) He didn't rely on JUCO's, as was proven.
2) You have zero proof he didn't have a chance to recruit JUCO's the last few years, it was proven otherwise he remained consistent.
3) Most of the best weren't JUCO's, as it's clear you don't know what most means.
 

oldjar07

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False again.

Pelini relied heavily on jucos, and he hasn't had the chance to recruit jucos the last few years. Most of the best players Pelini had were jucos who went on to the NFL.

1) He didn't rely on JUCO's, as was proven.
2) You have zero proof he didn't have a chance to recruit JUCO's the last few years, it was proven otherwise he remained consistent.
3) Most of the best weren't JUCO's, as it's clear you don't know what most means.
He did rely on jucos, especially his last few years. He would have been recruiting jucos in 2015, 2016, and 2017 to fill the gaps in the roster if he was still here so it's unfair to say the holes in the roster were Pelini's fault when this staff chose not to recruit juco's. You're right most was the wrong word. Certainly some of his best players were juco's. His hit rate on juco's was quite high compared with the high school recruits.
 

coachDubs

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I said he hasn't been able to recruit jucos In 2015, 2016, 2017 because he's not here. HIS last few years (11-14) he recruited juco's and relied on them.



He didn't rely on them from 11-14, just STFU and get out of here with your crap.
 

coachDubs

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2011 - 2 of 20 from JUCO.
2012 - 2 of 17 from JUCO.
2013 - 3 of 25 from JUCO.
2014 - 2 of 25 from JUCO.

9 of 87 from JUCO. Boy, that sure is "relying on JUCO's" :eek:
 

coachDubs

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You sure get worked up easily. Your opinion is so much better than everyone else's.

They're facts, not an opinion and you have a long ways to go to work me up. Your stupidity is on full display, and I enjoy it.