Drew Barker needs to be the QB going forward

UKErik

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I like Patrick Towles. If you could build a QB from scratch, you'd build Towles. He has the perfect height. He's solid physically (230+ pounds). He's a very good athlete. He can throw the football a country mile. He's just a big, strong guy. He's also a Kentucky kid. He grew up loving the Cats. Ideally, he's perfect for the Kentucky quarterback job. Only he isn't.

I think UK needs to move on from Towles for two reasons. One, he's woefully inconsistent. If he's consistent with one thing, it's being inconsistent. That's tough to work around with a QB. On one play, he throws a beautiful wheel route 45 yards downfield that hits the receiver in stride. On the next, he'll bounce a swing pass. Every QB makes mistakes, but Towles errors are just too plentiful. The second reason...I'm not sure he has the mental toughness for the gig. I wouldn't be surprised to see a freshman write RELAX on a hand, but a 4th year junior? His demeanor in general just doesn't exude much confidence. You have to wonder how that affects his teammates.

Four years into a college career, you know what you have in a player. Towles has had every opportunity (and then some) to prove himself. IMO, it's time to move on. I hate saying that. Feel bad saying it. But IMHO, it's beyond obvious at this point that the decision should be made.

Don't get me wrong. UK's offensive disaster isn't on Towles alone. The WR's drop more passes than I can count. Towles plays behind one of the worst offensive lines in college football. But the guy isn't even doing the little things right, the things that don't involve WR drops or protection. The 4th down run decision vs. Auburn. The audible yesterday that resulted in an INT. The pass behind his receiver on the critical drive vs. Florida. I could go on and on. He even under-threw the fade route against EKU that tied the game (Baker made a great play on the ball). And how do you take a sack on a hail mary when you have plenty of time? All of those little things add up

This is the PERFECT week to give Barker an opportunity. Start Barker against Charlotte. Play him every snap. Then you have an off week before Louisville, so you've got 14 days to analyze his first start and prepare him for the Cardinals (EDIT...UK has no off week before U of L). Both games being at home is an added bonus.

Going forward, starting Barker twice would be huge for his development. It would also give the coaching staff an idea of what they have in the redshirt freshman.

IMO, there's absolutely no reason to start Towles against Charlotte. UK has to go with Barker.

JMO.

GBB!!!
 
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screwduke

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I agree Erik. I just don't understand how we message board posters can figure this out but apparently Stoops can't. Benching Barker after one mistake was one of the dumbest coaching moves I've ever seen from a uk team. And that's saying something. I hope benching him didn't completely destroy his confidence.
 

sparky59

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.....thats it in a nut shell.....perfectly stated.....and the FIRST mention of the fact that TOWLES.......changed that play..... Just not enough footbal IQ between the ears......
 

UKErik

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Catz92, you're right. Don't know why I was thinking that. I need remedial calendar training (LOL).

GBB!!!
 

UK till Death

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If Barker doesn't start and play the entire game versus Charlotte, I will be on the Fire Stoops bandwagon.

His handling of Barker this season, especially last night, has been criminal.

Is Stoops just dumb? I'm leaning toward "Yes".
 

merrimanm

Heisman
Dec 14, 2009
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Totally agree. It is time to build toward the future. Barker is the future. Get him time with those other kids in his class that he will be playing with for the next 3 years.
 

jauk11

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I agree Erik. I just don't understand how we message board posters can figure this out but apparently Stoops can't. Benching Barker after one mistake was one of the dumbest coaching moves I've ever seen from a uk team. And that's saying something. I hope benching him didn't completely destroy his confidence.

If it does then he didn't have enough confidence to start with.
 
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jauk11

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It has become obvious that there are influences beyond football keeping Towles on the field.

Name one.

Maybe Towles family is paying him more than UK does to start Towles?

Doesn't that sound more than a little ridiculous IF you stop to think about it.
 

Comebakatz3

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Barker wasn't benched after one mistake. He threw a pick 6 and went right back out there after the pick 6. He went back out for 2 (technically 3) more series before he was taken out again. The problem Barker had was that after the first series, the offense once again went stagnant. He had 57 yards on one drive. So, basically he got almost all of his yards off of 3 plays. After that he passed the ball 5 more times and was only able to get 3 total yards, as well as the pick 6. Granted, he only had the opportunity to pass the ball 5 more times, which is not very much, but the problem was the offense got stagnant again.

Barker may help. I am not saying he wont, but yesterday the offense moved at times with Towles and moved once with Barker. However, it was always inconsistent. Regardless of the quarterback, the offense struggled. Why? O-line? Playcalling? Mentality? Or is it that neither quarterback is as good as they were hyped to be out of high school? It is obviously more than just the quarterback position and that needs to be fixed.
 

merrimanm

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I agree Erik. I just don't understand how we message board posters can figure this out but apparently Stoops can't. Benching Barker after one mistake was one of the dumbest coaching moves I've ever seen from a uk team. And that's saying something. I hope benching him didn't completely destroy his confidence.
He didn't pull him because of the INT. Barker played about 4more series after that.
 

DACats86

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Some of you should start a slush fund for that, send me the money, I will be in contact with them this week.
Don't know if it's that, if it's Barker's attitude and/or off the field issues, if it's Mitch not wanting the face of the program be a guy mostly known for a bar fight, don't know what it is. But I do know there is no justifiable football reason to keep trotting Towles out there to fail. Regardless, it tells me that there are outside factors that are more important to this coaching staff than winning. Which really tells me all I need to know about this coaching staff.
 
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krazykats

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Unless your suggesting Barker would have won games Towles apparently lost then quit calling Towles a failure. He hasn't failed at anything. He has been the QB on a bad team that's been poorly coached and he is everyone's scapegoat because it comes with the position.

I'm fine with starting Barker the whole Charlotte game and deciding from that performance moving forward. Both QBs should beat Charlotte and that's how I'd approach it.
 

yoshukai

Heisman
Dec 21, 2002
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I like Patrick Towles. If you could build a QB from scratch, you'd build Towles. He has the perfect height. He's solid physically (230+ pounds). He's a very good athlete. He can throw the football a country mile. He's just a big, strong guy. He's also a Kentucky kid. He grew up loving the Cats. Ideally, he's perfect for the Kentucky quarterback job. Only he isn't.

I think UK needs to move on from Towles for two reasons. One, he's woefully inconsistent. If he's consistent with one thing, it's being inconsistent. That's tough to work around with a QB. On one play, he throws a beautiful wheel route 45 yards downfield that hits the receiver in stride. On the next, he'll bounce a swing pass. Every QB makes mistakes, but Towles errors are just too plentiful. The second reason...I'm not sure he has the mental toughness for the gig. I wouldn't be surprised to see a freshman write RELAX on a hand, but a 4th year junior? His demeanor in general just doesn't exude much confidence. You have to wonder how that affects his teammates.

Four years into a college career, you know what you have in a player. Towles has had every opportunity (and then some) to prove himself. IMO, it's time to move on. I hate saying that. Feel bad saying it. But IMHO, it's beyond obvious at this point that the decision should be made.

Don't get me wrong. UK's offensive disaster isn't on Towles alone. The WR's drop more passes than I can count. Towles plays behind one of the worst offensive lines in college football. But the guy isn't even doing the little things right, the things that don't involve WR drops or protection. The 4th down run decision vs. Auburn. The audible yesterday that resulted in an INT. The pass behind his receiver on the critical drive vs. Florida. I could go on and on. He even under-threw the fade route against EKU that tied the game (Baker made a great play on the ball). And how do you take a sack on a hail mary when you have plenty of time? All of those little things add up

This is the PERFECT week to give Barker an opportunity. Start Barker against Charlotte. Play him every snap. Then you have an off week before Louisville, so you've got 14 days to analyze his first start and prepare him for the Cardinals (EDIT...UK has no off week before U of L). Both games being at home is an added bonus.

Going forward, starting Barker twice would be huge for his development. It would also give the coaching staff an idea of what they have in the redshirt freshman.

IMO, there's absolutely no reason to start Towles against Charlotte. UK has to go with Barker.

JMO.

GBB!!!
One thing I've been wondering about . I remember Towels stated last year that his quarterback guru had been working with him to not grip the ball so tight . Could it be wrote relax on his throwing hand to remind him to relax his grip ?
 
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It has become obvious that there are influences beyond football keeping Towles on the field.
Maybe I'm naive, but I'm not buying that. Putting a freshman QB with very little experience in against that D we saw last night? I'd have bet a decent amount we'd see a pic 6. He's just not ready, and that's why you're not seeing him. In hindsight, the real damage done from not shellacking the Louisiana directional school and EKU like we should have is that it prevented Barker from getting any snaps. As bad as Towles has been.....that tells me Barker must be really unimpressive in practice. I know off the field stuff, politics, etc. is a fact of life, especially in this conference. I refuse to believe this staff in this precarious position would put any of that in front of the need to win.....
 

HedleyLamarr

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UKErik is right. Give Barker a full week of practice with the first team, and the full Charlotte game, followed by another week of practice with the starters. He will have a great week against a terrible Charlotte team, and UK will have some swagger going into the Louisville game. Louisville is going to have a really tough game at Pitt, and I still expect the showdown in Lexington to be very competitive. The change of QB will help UK regain some confidence going into that big game.
 

jauk11

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Don't know if it's that, if it's Barker's attitude and/or off the field issues, if it's Mitch not wanting the face of the program be a guy mostly known for a bar fight, don't know what it is. But I do know there is no justifiable football reason to keep trotting Towles out there to fail. Regardless, it tells me that there are outside factors that are more important to this coaching staff than winning. Which really tells me all I need to know about this coaching staff.

Quit quibbling and send me the money. It's all been arranged, just need the money.
 

UK till Death

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Unless your suggesting Barker would have won games Towles apparently lost then quit calling Towles a failure. He hasn't failed at anything. He has been the QB on a bad team that's been poorly coached and he is everyone's scapegoat because it comes with the position.

I'm fine with starting Barker the whole Charlotte game and deciding from that performance moving forward. Both QBs should beat Charlotte and that's how I'd approach it.
Hi, Mrs. Towles.
 
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Moan all you all want, but a guy that stuck with a qb that was 5/17 with 22 yards of offense and changed a run play to produce a red zone interception has shown who his guy is... and his last name isn't Barker.
 

Xception

Heisman
Apr 17, 2007
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Dawson said the reason for switching back to Towles was to go with the hot hand .

Towles was 10-26 and 1 int

Barker was 5-8 and 1 int
 

ukalum1988

Heisman
Dec 21, 2014
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It has become obvious that there are influences beyond football keeping Towles on the field.

I sometimes wonder if Towles has pictures of certain people in compromising positions. I just don't understand the staff's fixation on PT.
 

floboi03

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Dawson said the reason for switching back to Towles was to go with the hot hand .

Towles was 10-26 and 1 int

Barker was 5-8 and 1 int


Become apparent not to listen to what Dawson has to say b/c half the time he has no idea what he's even saying. He has no substance to what he says, he's just a blowtard. And the only come back he has is " well if it would've worked I'd been a genius"

He's the one coach i'm sick of on this staff. .
 

SmokinGun9

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I agree completely. I think these last 2 games we take a look at our future and see who can play.
 

*Bleedingblue*

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Did the reporter ask who had the hot hand? Ask did Towles burn his hand somehow? Cause the stats clearly show he didn't have a hot hand prior or after.
 
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sgt4269

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Dawson said the staff wanted to go with the hot hand but stoops wanted to go with towels experience...
I agree though. Play barker entire Charlotte game. Get him comfortable enough to play and beat UL
 

UKWinsAgainYep

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I like Patrick Towles. If you could build a QB from scratch, you'd build Towles. He has the perfect height. He's solid physically (230+ pounds). He's a very good athlete. He can throw the football a country mile. He's just a big, strong guy. He's also a Kentucky kid. He grew up loving the Cats. Ideally, he's perfect for the Kentucky quarterback job. Only he isn't.

I think UK needs to move on from Towles for two reasons. One, he's woefully inconsistent. If he's consistent with one thing, it's being inconsistent. That's tough to work around with a QB. On one play, he throws a beautiful wheel route 45 yards downfield that hits the receiver in stride. On the next, he'll bounce a swing pass. Every QB makes mistakes, but Towles errors are just too plentiful. The second reason...I'm not sure he has the mental toughness for the gig. I wouldn't be surprised to see a freshman write RELAX on a hand, but a 4th year junior? His demeanor in general just doesn't exude much confidence. You have to wonder how that affects his teammates.

Four years into a college career, you know what you have in a player. Towles has had every opportunity (and then some) to prove himself. IMO, it's time to move on. I hate saying that. Feel bad saying it. But IMHO, it's beyond obvious at this point that the decision should be made.

Don't get me wrong. UK's offensive disaster isn't on Towles alone. The WR's drop more passes than I can count. Towles plays behind one of the worst offensive lines in college football. But the guy isn't even doing the little things right, the things that don't involve WR drops or protection. The 4th down run decision vs. Auburn. The audible yesterday that resulted in an INT. The pass behind his receiver on the critical drive vs. Florida. I could go on and on. He even under-threw the fade route against EKU that tied the game (Baker made a great play on the ball). And how do you take a sack on a hail mary when you have plenty of time? All of those little things add up

This is the PERFECT week to give Barker an opportunity. Start Barker against Charlotte. Play him every snap. Then you have an off week before Louisville, so you've got 14 days to analyze his first start and prepare him for the Cardinals (EDIT...UK has no off week before U of L). Both games being at home is an added bonus.

Going forward, starting Barker twice would be huge for his development. It would also give the coaching staff an idea of what they have in the redshirt freshman.

IMO, there's absolutely no reason to start Towles against Charlotte. UK has to go with Barker.

JMO.

GBB!!!

Totally agree that Barker should play every snap against Charlotte.

On the other hand, you can boil Towles down to two words that has always been the case and the reason he was never a great QB:

Nervous Nellie
 

jauk11

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I think since it seems neither has seized the job a reasonable compromise would be to split the reps for this gimme (hopefully) and let Barker play the first half, he needs the experience more, and if he is outstanding let him play the second half. If not, let Towles play the second half, then whoever looks the best gets most of the snaps next week and starts in the really important game.
 

Owen68_rivals

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Barker is not the answer.
Towles is not the answer.
The answer is:
1. Better offensive line
2. Better defense
3. Receivers not dropping passes
Since none of the above is going to happen I have once again written the season off.
 

drawing_dead

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towles need some swagger, but he has not shown any.
he needs some "johnny football" swagger.
imagine manziel with towles body/frame.
 

Chuckinden

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I posted this the other day. Barker should play the entire game against Charlotte and let's see what he's got.