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I was up at the baseball office today, and there was a lot of talk about these "town hall" meetings next week about the renovation of Dudy Noble. What kind of renovations/expansions do you think will be brought up, or should be brought up? Is the Left Field Lounge untouchable?
 
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Wicked Pissah

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Everyone in the world will say it is untouchable.....yet, they will touch it. These things usually are like women. They ask your opinion on something but dont want your opinion unless it is what they already think.
 
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HD6 said:
Is the Left Field Lounge untouchable?
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Any 'improvement' to an already proven fan generated atmosphere and home field advantage better be pondered long and hard. And the way we mishandle the use of the jumbotron in football doesn't make me confident in those who think they can make the Left Field Lounge better.
 
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Based on what I've seen lately, the powers that be will nod and smile and act as if they really do value your input. They may even throw out, "That's a great idea." In the end they will do what they want to do. As far as the left field lounge is concerned, if there is revenue to be generated by it, they'll make sure that happens. They may not change the concept, but it will probably cost more to be a part of it. Just my two cents.
 
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If I'm a rival school, there's nothing more I'd like to see than..

Mississippi State 17-up left field lounge. It's huge part of the heart and soul of the baseball program.

As a State fan, I'd love it if the bears cut down every tree in the grove to make way for a parking lot.
 
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Well almost everything is 'touched' or changes over time. It evolves often imperceptibly. If you took a snapshot of LFL 30 years ago and another today I'll bet it would not look like the same place. Sometimes changes are needed because of issues or liabilities that have developed. What needs to be preserved is the atmosphere and any changes should be handled with that in mind.
 
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I don't think LFL is untouchable. But there won't be a major change to it. People getting all up in arms about the idea of any changes to LFL forget that there have been minor changes several times over the years (the name isn't even officially LFL and hasn't been for a long time).
 
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patdog said:
I don't think LFL is untouchable. But there won't be a major change to it. People getting all up in arms about the idea of any changes to LFL forget that there have been minor changes several times over the years (the name isn't even officially LFL and hasn't been for a long time).
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My guess is that they do have an idea of some of the expected changes, but they truly are looking for ideas that can "fit" into these already developed big ideas...and I am afraid we need to be prepared for some changes in the structure of LFL, but not the atmosphere....surely, every effort will be made to keep our most unique and popular tradition......over the years I can't remember how many visitors to MSU I have exposed to LFL and they left with a new appreciation for college baseball, and how MSU is truly a unique place to enjoy it.
 
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This is the same group who decided to put fake dirt carpet on the first and third basepaths, no?

HD6 said:
I was up at the baseball office today, and there was a lot of talk about these "town hall" meetings next week about the renovation of Dudy Noble. What kind of renovations/expansions do you think will be brought up, or should be brought up? Is the Left Field Lounge untouchable?
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I haven't been to a baseball game in several years, but I've always thought they should build some 2- or 3-story cabins/rowhouse-type structures along the back fence in left field. They would be a cross between a Cotton District rowhouse, Neshoba Co Fair cabin and a skybox at Scott Field. Each one would have a large deck on the second (and/or 3rd) floor overlooking the field, kitchenette, full bath and a bedroom/foldout couch. People could sign a year lease on them and have a place to crash during football and basketball seasons, without having to book hotels or rent apartments, and then a good seat for baseball. I got the idea from the buildings that are behind the outfield fence at Wrigley where people sit on balconies to watch the games. It would be a new revenue stream and class the joint up a little.
 
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I'm surprised some drunk crop duster MSU fan from the Delta hasn't done that already
 
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Left field lounge is definitely not untouchable for multiple reasons but here are my top two:
1.) Space X Optimum Usage = More Revenue
2.) Safety --- and I've thought about this for a long time...
- I was there the weekend that the deck gave way and collapsed by the opposing bullpen. I was 10 feet away from the guy boiling crawfish whose water spilled everywhere and didn't give someone 3rd degree burns
- Now multiply that injury free incident times one of those trailers collapsing from 15ft up overloaded with people during a super-regional. Talk about a liability and insurance nightmare. Seems there should be some standard of inspection before these things actually get brought into left field. We are an engineering school.
I'm all for the time honored tradition of the best place in the world to watch baseball but eventually something has to give. We've got to be proactive otherwise we'll have nothing to say in our defense when they take it from us after something of this nature happens. God forbid it ever does.
 
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aspendawg said:
Left field lounge is definitely not untouchable for multiple reasons but here are my top two:
1.) Space X Optimum Usage = More Revenue
2.) Safety --- and I've thought about this for a long time...
- I was there the weekend that the deck gave way and collapsed by the opposing bullpen. I was 10 feet away from the guy boiling crawfish whose water spilled everywhere and didn't give someone 3rd degree burns
- Now multiply that injury free incident times one of those trailers collapsing from 15ft up overloaded with people during a super-regional. Talk about a liability and insurance nightmare. Seems there should be some standard of inspection before these things actually get brought into left field. We are an engineering school.
I'm all for the time honored tradition of the best place in the world to watch baseball but eventually something has to give. We've got to be proactive otherwise we'll have nothing to say in our defense when they take it from us after something of this nature happens. God forbid it ever does.
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You mean the platform that LT built in a terrible design without any cross supports? A conspiracy theorist could easily argue that it was sabotage to try to take away LFL permanently -- something LT tried/wanted to do for years. There is a picture out there of the design(after the collapse) that ANYONE could see was going to fail. Wish I could find it right now...

School built platform collapsed. Of the hundreds of private rigs over 4+ decades out there, there hasn't been one collapse to my knowledge.

That said, they do need to take additional safety measures -- and they will in the future.
 
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I can only see one decent solution to the left field lounge if its touched. Build out lounge type structures out there. Get rid of the old trucks, etc and frame up something permanent and lease them out to folks for whatever they are paying now (I have no idea if there is a lease cost or not for those locations). Allow the same type of atmosphere but with a more permanent structure out there. Have different sizes, closets for beverages, etc. and let fans go nuts out there.
 
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Sounder68 said:
I haven't been to a baseball game in several years, but I've always thought they should build some 2- or 3-story cabins/rowhouse-type structures along the back fence in left field. They would be a cross between a Cotton District rowhouse, Neshoba Co Fair cabin and a skybox at Scott Field. Each one would have a large deck on the second (and/or 3rd) floor overlooking the field, kitchenette, full bath and a bedroom/foldout couch. People could sign a year lease on them and have a place to crash during football and basketball seasons, without having to book hotels or rent apartments, and then a good seat for baseball. I got the idea from the buildings that are behind the outfield fence at Wrigley where people sit on balconies to watch the games. It would be a new revenue stream and class the joint up a little.
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This is actually a pretty good idea. I bet lots of people would love to sit on a deck right behind LFL to watch a game.
 
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ChupacabraDawg said:
I can only see one decent solution to the left field lounge if its touched. Build out lounge type structures out there. Get rid of the old trucks, etc and frame up something permanent and lease them out to folks for whatever they are paying now (I have no idea if there is a lease cost or not for those locations). Allow the same type of atmosphere but with a more permanent structure out there. Have different sizes, closets for beverages, etc. and let fans go nuts out there.
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I just wouldn't want that to look too stale or generic. The best part about the LFL is the color and originality of each individual structure.

I will never understand the legal liability argument of one of the trailers collapsing. Just get a safety inspector to look at each trailer before they're put in, and get the owners to sign a release form to protect the school from lawsuits. It's as simple as that.

Honestly, if Stricklin tries to do something drastic to LFL, my opinion of him will never be the same. That is our one totally unique athletic tradition that we are famous for and sets us apart. I'll be pissed if he ruins that.
 
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ChupacabraDawg said:
I can only see one decent solution to the left field lounge if its touched. Build out lounge type structures out there. Get rid of the old trucks, etc and frame up something permanent and lease them out to folks for whatever they are paying now (I have no idea if there is a lease cost or not for those locations). Allow the same type of atmosphere but with a more permanent structure out there. Have different sizes, closets for beverages, etc. and let fans go nuts out there.
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That's on the right track.

My educated guess is 50% Chupacabra, 25% Sounder and 25% Janet Marie.

The safety issue is enormous.

What a lot of folks don't get is we are one bad accident away from no LFL. Better to be proactive and rethink it.
 
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Wicked Pissah

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Did the school get sued when their structure fell the first year and people were injured? The right field deck? How many lawsuits occured?

Lfl builds stuff since 70s, no issues. Msu builds a deck and it falls in year one. Gtfooh.

Can anyone answer if anyone sued the school bc of their ****** deck?
 
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I've only been to the LFL once and was amazed at what I saw. It looked like somebody's junk yard, and I think everybody will admit that it's downright tacky ... looks like something Jed Clampett would come up with.

That said, it's a long-standing tradition at MSU and should remain. But a lot of the structures look like they're on the verge of collapse. That needs to be fixed, but whatever is done doesn't need to be too fancy ... it needs to look spontaneous but be safe. Everybody there seems to have a ball.

It would be a shame to eliminate the LFL, and almost as big a shame to make it too clean and generic looking. It's literally well known thoughout the college baseball world in the whole country, and that should be maintained.
 
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Simple answer for LFL. YES. It is untouchable.

I have only one thing that I hope someone would bring up. Expand LFL to the entire outfield. Screw making it "better" by changing it. EXPAND IT TO MAKE IT BETTER.
 
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thekimmer said:
Well almost everything is 'touched' or changes over time. It evolves often imperceptibly. If you took a snapshot of LFL 30 years ago and another today I'll bet it would not look like the same place. Sometimes changes are needed because of issues or liabilities that have developed. What needs to be preserved is the atmosphere and any changes should be handled with that in mind.
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30 years ago lfl was a place where only students hungout to watch the game and drink beer. We would park our cars/trucks next to the fence and harass the left fielder. It was strictly first come first serve basis. People would grill out and there was a double hitter on the first night. Personally I hate the way the lfl has turned out. Give it back to the students.

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It's totally different than when I was up there 30+years ago. You could drive your car back there a couple hours before gametime and pull up to the leftfield and watch the game. Right field had trees and a berm that people would bring chairs and blankets and watch. Liked it better back then.
 
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Loafers has put a call in to Adidas for some LFL ideas.
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haha good stuff. That's the only logical place to look.

Maybe we should ask Cohen what he thinks too...maybe turf the entire Lounge? Using his logic this would make perfect sense...I mean we walk on artificial surfaces 90% of the time anyway so I think the fans would feel more at home and could maneuver better on turf. Shag carpet for the decks too?
 
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I think a terraced far right field area would be good, to allow more people who are "walk-ups" to bring in chairs, maybe tents, and coolers. Dare I say it, kind of like UM did in their outfield. I just think that would be a good complement to the LFL.
 
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Janet Marie Smith

I work with Janet Marie Smith's sister. Janet works with the LA Dodgers now and is renovating Chavez Ravine. Her resume' with baseball parks is without peer. I say we wait until her gig with the Dodgers is up and let her do her thing. She commutes from Baltimore to LA and it would be no problem for her to get her consistently to oversee the design and building of the project. Her mother and sister live in Jackson. I think we are missing a great opportunity to let the leading baseball stadium architect not have major input on this discussion. She has been flown in to discuss other athletic venue ideas, why not let her not only consult, but be in charge of Dudy Noble renovation/demolition?
 
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HD6 said:
I was up at the baseball office today, and there was a lot of talk about these "town hall" meetings next week about the renovation of Dudy Noble. What kind of renovations/expansions do you think will be brought up, or should be brought up? Is the Left Field Lounge untouchable?
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Here's the bottom line. Anything less than a completely new baseball field complete with a LFL and terraced area for students in the outfield is unacceptable. They can work out a great design for LFL that retains it's current concept and uniqueness. It just takes a little thinking........ THE CURRENT STADIUM IS A DESIGN NIGHTMARE PEOPLE

I'll be pissed if we don't kick off the campaign to raise money for this within the next year. If we claim to be the "best" at something, then lets be the ******* best at something. It sure ain't hapnin in football.
 
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This might be the first time I agree with you.

It could change some, but use the same lounges that are there now and make them safe. When I say change, I mean change the arrangement of how the trailers/lounges are laid out and put next to each other. This would help maximize space and allow for incorporating other ideas such as a green area, bleachers, sky boxes, chair backs, etc. They could build proper decking between each lounge and the fences for walking and moving around. They could build storage, grill and counter top space. It could be really nice and safe and still have the old look rustic look to it.
 
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That's your opinion, but some people at this University would jump at the chance to be "the best" at a major sport. We have a chance to do this in baseball and it will not happen by putting a Band-Aid on the terribly designed field we have now.
 
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