EDIT: Losing because of Wimsatt

[cubuffsdoug_rivals]

I love how fans hope the next great player walks on campus each year, taking the job away from the starter. Newsflash: it's a big jump from HS to college. Why some of you haven't figured that out? Surace is not winning the starting job for a bowl-eligible team. He will need to develop first.

 

[RUtrumpet92_rivals498139]

Had two or three dropped balls today and the *** to Washington over the middle was off target because he was hit on the arm/hand as he threw it. Clearly the game plan was to pound the ground game. If those catches are made, he is 8-12 for 55 or so. Not great obviously, and the pass to Benjamin could've gone the distance if he floated it a little lower.

But... BOWL ELIGIBLE!

 

[rob kight]

How can you not like a 17 point win and a second half shutout by the D?? And it’s still October.
Our odds of getting at least one morel win have improved.

 

[RUBOB72]

Wimsatt is an adequate college run first QB but he is an inaccurate soft-tosser.

He just doesn’t a rocket arm and he’s consistently inaccurate. That will lead to tons of picks v the upper half of the BiG.

Hopefully Surace is the answer next yr.

I can’t help but howl at what the term STUPID is.If ever there was a moronic post on this board it was this one. We won and the game plan was a steady diet of the run game. Thanks for proving you SUCK as a poster and fake fan.

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

We just won an important game. THis is the post???

what a horseshit.

This is the stupidest thread ever. Everyone knew going into this game that Gavin was going to be kept on a leash, and should be for this game because the only way we were losing it was if we turned it over. He only attempted 12 passes in the whole game. That was intentional. Two more receptions would’ve been over 58%. Geez

 

[MADHAT1]

This thread reminds me of
No good deed goes unpunished.
Gavin's legs ran to victory ,so someone decides to make a gripe about his arm not being a factor.

 

[Knight Shift]

Had two or three dropped balls today and the *** to Washington over the middle was off target because he was hit on the arm/hand as he threw it. Clearly the game plan was to pound the ground game. If those catches are made, he is 8-12 for 55 or so. Not great obviously, and the pass to Benjamin could've gone the distance if he floated it a little lower.

But... BOWL ELIGIBLE!

And..... if you listened to the RU broadcast, Wimsatt was under pressure when the ball was thrown to Benjamin.

 

[SBP]

Had two or three dropped balls today and the *** to Washington over the middle was off target because he was hit on the arm/hand as he threw it. Clearly the game plan was to pound the ground game. If those catches are made, he is 8-12 for 55 or so. Not great obviously, and the pass to Benjamin could've gone the distance if he floated it a little lower.

But... BOWL ELIGIBLE!

Yes 3 drops.

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

Yes 3 drops.

3 drops out of a total of 7 incompletions. The percentage is poor but we barely threw the ball which makes complete sense. Why would we throw when Indiana can’t stop the run? Would you say he had a great day if we threw for the same yardage going 2 for 3?

 

[Extra Point_rivals157299]

0 interceptions. Wimsatt is on the verge of being one of RU's best QBs and some dum-dums want a different QB?

 

[Morrischiano2]

What an awful thread, both acumen and killjoy wise.

As I've said before Wimsatt is Teel 06.

He's doing what is asked of him and made some great plays with his feet today.

He’s not Teel.


Let me plot this out for you: from a pure throwing perspective you can place accuracy and arm strength on an X and Y axis. As a young QB you want to be in the strong arm/accurate quadrant, the second best is not strong arm/accurate, followed by strong arm/not accurate and then not strong/not accurate.

Here’s why: touch is hard to develop but if you have a rocket arm you can be coached into taking some off certain throws to be more accurate. Gavin is not a hard thrower. So he can’t take some off of his passes to develop touch. He’ll never get the ball into windows. Forget about getting the ball to the sidelines. Can he get more accurate while maintaining or adding zip? Maybe, but it is really hard to do. Those are the kind of kids that usually don’t develop into star D1 QBs. And yes I’ve played and coached the game.

I do get the point that criticism of the kid when the team won is bad form, but my comments are still valid and correct.

 

[greenknight]

I would say winning when the QB is 5/12 for 39 yards is the definition of winning despite the passing game.

Multiple things can be true at the same time: our passing offense has been bad to terrible. It hasn't hindered us from winning 6 games this year.

The question now is can we continue to win games as the competition gets better with such passing game.

No against OSU they will have 8 guys in the box. 1 dimensional running game will be shut down. Understand the the lack of passing they did not want him to lose the game with bad picks when we were up. But passing for 39 yds against a D that lost both their capt LB B on D and DB is just not good. Benjamin saved him
on a short swing that should have gone for 30 or else he would have been around 30 yds
As Matt Millen said he needs to be more accurate much more aaccurate. This was a huge game for a Dub with PSU, OSU coming up so I can understand the run alot. 80yd run was huge but that will not be there after bye

 

[RUBOB72]

He’s not Teel.


Let me plot this out for you: from a pure throwing perspective you can place accuracy and arm strength on an X and Y axis. As a young QB you want to be in the strong arm/accurate quadrant, the second best is not strong arm/accurate, followed by strong arm/accurate and then not strong/not accurate.

Here’s why: touch is hard to develop but if you have a rocket arm you can be coached into taking some off certain throws to be more accurate. Gavin is not a hard thrower. So he can’t take some off of his passes to develop touch. He’ll never get the ball into windows. Forget about getting the ball to the sidelines. Can he get more accurate while maintaining or adding zip? Maybe, but it is really had to do. And yes I’ve played and coached the game.

Admit it you are one dumb SOB… you are a fool and to continue posting this crap is making you look more and more like a buffoon.

 

[Jerseylegends]

He’s not Teel.


Let me plot this out for you: from a pure throwing perspective you can place accuracy and arm strength on an X and Y axis. As a young QB you want to be in the strong arm/accurate quadrant, the second best is not strong arm/accurate, followed by strong arm/accurate and then not strong/not accurate.

Here’s why: touch is hard to develop but if you have a rocket arm you can be coached into taking some off certain throws to be more accurate. Gavin is not a hard thrower. So he can’t take some off of his passes to develop touch. He’ll never get the ball into windows. Forget about getting the ball to the sidelines. Can he get more accurate while maintaining or adding zip? Maybe, but it is really hard to do. Those are the kind of kids that usually don’t develop into star D1 QBs. And yes I’ve played and coached the game.

Wait...lol so in your experience as a player and coach....you would conclude that Gavin doesn't have a strong arm?

 

[RedTeamUpstream94]

0 interceptions. Wimsatt is on the verge of being one of RU's best QBs and some dum-dums want a different QB?

He has ONE glaring issue (let’s the ball sail)

I don’t know - I never played QB for a d1 team - but it seems to me that is far easier to fix than far bigger issues like:

- turning to ball over
- making poor decisions
- being clueless/ like the game is too fast

Those seem like they would be far bigger issues yet that’s not going on with Gavin.

In the mean time he is managing the game pretty well and using his legs very effectively

 

[yesrutgers01]

Gavin still has things to work on as a 19 y/o QB for a winning B1G team. Let's also consider that 3 of his first 5 were dropped.
Gameplan today was exactly how it went.

Glad we have a ****** QB that has us bowling for the first time in a decade.

 

[ru66]

You can STFU now.

so many a##holes

 

[RedTeamUpstream94]

I do get the point that criticism of the kid when the team won is bad form, but my comments are still valid and correct.

You’re right the kids accuracy is bad as is our passing game

You’re wrong that they should give up on Gavin and turn it over to ES

 

[Morrischiano2]

Admit it you are one dumb SOB… you are a fool and to continue posting this crap is making you look more and more like a buffoon.

I played football in HS and at RU and won a HS state championship as an OC. But yeah, I’ll defer to RUBOB72.

 

[koleszar]

We should find a fullback or call Samuel Brown one and run the wishbone bringing back the glory days of the 80's. Hell we just about do it already with these stats:

QB Gavin Wimsatt 16 att. 143 yds. 3TD
RB Kyle Monangai 24 att. 109 yds.
RB Samuel Brown 9 att. 31 yds.

@cubuffsdoug would love it, it'd be nostalgia inducing for him.

 

[LotusAggressor_rivals]

I love how fans hope the next great player walks onto campus each year and takes the job away from the starter. Newsflash: it's a big jump from HS to college. Why some of you haven't figured that out? Surace is not winning the starting job for a bowl-eligible team. He will need to develop first.

Like I always say, the answer at QB is always either on the bench. In high school, or in the portal, not on the field playing. The problem at RU with the QB position has usually been coaching. This is why all of these future All-American HS QBs that are being covered in fairy dust are never the answer at RU. That said, Wimsatt had a lot do with winning this game despite the bad passing numbers. This kind of passing performance probably won't result in wins the rest of the season, but RU is bowl eligible Take the W and move on.

 

[yesrutgers01]

He’s not Teel.


Let me plot this out for you: from a pure throwing perspective you can place accuracy and arm strength on an X and Y axis. As a young QB you want to be in the strong arm/accurate quadrant, the second best is not strong arm/accurate, followed by strong arm/accurate and then not strong/not accurate.

Here’s why: touch is hard to develop but if you have a rocket arm you can be coached into taking some off certain throws to be more accurate. Gavin is not a hard thrower. So he can’t take some off of his passes to develop touch. He’ll never get the ball into windows. Forget about getting the ball to the sidelines. Can he get more accurate while maintaining or adding zip? Maybe, but it is really hard to do. Those are the kind of kids that usually don’t develop into star D1 QBs. And yes I’ve played and coached the game.

I do get the point that criticism of the kid when the team won is bad form, but my comments are still valid and correct.

At this point of Teel's career, he would not have us bowling right now. Yes, better arm and thrower but GW is now on pace for 21 TD and 6 TO's.
I have seen a few of you guys gush over other team's backups- And they all sucked against us.

 

[MADHAT1]

At this point of Teel's career, he would not have us bowling right now. Yes, better arm and thrower but GW is now on pace for 21 TD and 6 TO's.
I have seen a few of you guys gush over other team's backups- And they all sucked against us.

If Wimsatt can bring home wins, he's the QB I want.

 

[toby83]

Will never beat good teams with him at QB. Fact. Horrifically inaccurate.

 

[Jerseylegends]

Will never beat good teams with him at QB. Fact. Horrifically inaccurate.

So you're telling us the team won't win anymore games this year? That's definitely a possibility, most likely if you go by ESPN but is that what you're saying as well?

 

[MADHAT1]

Will never beat good teams with him at QB. Fact. Horrifically inaccurate.

RU is going bowling and that's what counts now.
Beating the better teams might be hard with him ( or any other QBs on roster)

IF the game plan plays to his strength, minimizes depending on his weaknesses and the D plays well beating the best still might be hard to do, but upsets happen

 

[RUBOB72]

I played football in HS and at RU and won a HS state championship as an OC. But yeah, I’ll defer to RUBOB72.

You could be Paul Robeson , Jim Brown and Knute Rockne… Do you not think others on here have not done the same…If indeed u played for RUTGERS you are more of a buffoon. The OC in high school? WTF cred is that?

 

[cubuffsdoug_rivals]

We will continue to be mocked by opposing fans because our fans talk sh*t about our team. If you don't respect your team, why should others respect Rutgers? You can't have it both ways. And don't kid yourself by thinking these players aren't aware of the fans talking sh*t about them.

 

[WhichReligionIsRight]

I played football in HS and at RU and won a HS state championship as an OC. But yeah, I’ll defer to RUBOB72.

Sure. Double down on one of the stupidest and douchiest threads possible. Grats on playing the fool.

 

[DC8690]

So you're telling us the team won't win anymore games this year? That's definitely a possibility, most likely if you go by ESPN but is that what you're saying as well?

I honestly cannot see us winning another game. I will be extremely happy if we do, but I just don’t see it happening. I cannot see our offensive line doing what they did today to Iowa PSU or OSU. Possibly MD but I think if we cannot keep our defense off the field, they get tired and it ends up a big loss. I hope I am wrong.

 

[RUich]

Although anyone can hope GW gets his passing better, we have become a team that is dedicated to the run and most teams still can't stop it.
Even if we had a better passing game, we would still be a real dog against the top teams. There is still a significant talent discrepancy that will not be denied. No shame in that as just about 95% of the rest of the college world is in the same boat.
My biggest concern is Gavin getting hurt running so much.

 

[RUBOB72]

Wait...lol so in your experience as a player and coach....you would conclude that Gavin doesn't have a strong arm?

The player we have at QB can make all the throws. Never been a High School OC ( whatever that means) …ok Morris Schiano keep trying not to sound stupid.

 

[RUBOB72]

So does Rhule at Nebraska … Run Run Run…

 

[greenknight]

You could be Paul Robeson , Jim Brown and Knute Rockne… Do you not think others on here have not done the same…If indeed u played for RUTGERS you are more of a buffoon. The OC in high school? WTF cred is that?

Lol dont know if what Morris says is true but if it is I'm going to say it's a lot of cred. Some of you guys are ridiculous. Yes we won, yes the running game was good. Yes he had a great day rushing the ball, yes we are 6-2, yes we are going bowling that is awesome and better than getting blown out week after week like we have been for 10 yrs but somewhere you are going to have to complete more than 40% of your passes and win games passing the ball.

100% understand the run heavy load they did not want to lose the game on bad picks as the next win will be tougher to dig up. This was a must win and they won and won on the road huge win for the program as now GS finally has something to sell to recruits and gets an extra 15 or so practices at the end of the year

The kids have worked their asses off they deserve it

 

[NickRU714]

We will continue to be mocked by opposing fans because our fans talk sh*t about our team. If you don't respect your team, why should others respect Rutgers? You can't have it both ways. And don't kid yourself by thinking these players aren't aware of the fans talking sh*t about them.

If this the plan and the offense is going as expect, couldn't an argument be made that HC Schiano and OC KC don't respect Gavin as a passer either?

If the plan is to win by limiting Gavin is only throwing when absolutely necessary - that sounds like "winning despite Gavin passing".

Are the players also aware of just how horrified HC Schiano and OC KC appear to be of letting the passing game try to win a game?

Note: I'm indifferent to actually replacing Wimsatt. I haven't seen anything from Simon to think he's a significant upgrade.

 

[MADHAT1]

I honestly cannot see us winning another game. I will be extremely happy if we do, but I just don’t see it happening. I cannot see our offensive line doing what they did today to Iowa PSU or OSU. Possibly MD but I think if we cannot keep our defense off the field, they get tired and it ends up a big loss. I hope I am wrong.

people though RU wasn't good enough to be bowl eligible this year, well bowling happened.
Never underestimate this team, but realize the going might be hard but anything is possible if the stars align just right and lady luck smiles upon you.

 

[REDRICH65]

If Gavin could pass, look out! Nerves today. He really wanted this.

 

[Knight Shift]

If this the plan and the offense is going as expect, couldn't an argument be made that HC Schiano and OC KC don't respect Gavin as a passer either?

If the plan is to win by limiting Gavin is only throwing when absolutely necessary - that sounds like "winning despite Gavin passing".

Are the players also aware of just how horrified HC Schiano and OC KC appear to be of letting the passing game try to win a game?

Note: I'm indifferent to actually replacing Wimsatt. I haven't seen anything from Simon to think he's a significant upgrade.

I would not jump to any hasty conclusions- yet. Today, RU's offense took what the defense was giving. We ran it down their throats, and it worked. IDGAS about style points. Mark it down, Gavin will have 250 yards passing against Penn State when Kirk brings out the Trojan Horse package.

 

[RUPete]

If this the plan and the offense is going as expect, couldn't an argument be made that HC Schiano and OC KC don't respect Gavin as a passer either?

If the plan is to win by limiting Gavin is only throwing when absolutely necessary - that sounds like "winning despite Gavin passing".

Are the players also aware of just how horrified HC Schiano and OC KC appear to be of letting the passing game try to win a game?

Note: I'm indifferent to actually replacing Wimsatt. I haven't seen anything from Simon to think he's a significant upgrade.

Let’s not assume it’s just Gavin in this equation. We don’t exactly have Kenny Britt, Sanu and Tim Brown running around out there. I hate typing that because everyone on this team is truly giving their all, but our running game is just stronger than our passing game. You play to your strengths. It’s that simple.

 

[RUBOB72]

Lol dont know if what Morris says is true but if it is I'm going to say it's a lot of cred. Some of you guys are ridiculous. Yes we won, yes the running game was good. Yes he had a great day rushing the ball, yes we are 6-2, yes we are going bowling that is awesome and better than getting blown out week after week like we have been for 10 yrs but somewhere you are going to have to complete more than 40% of your passes and win games passing the ball.

100% understand the run heavy load they did not want to lose the game on bad picks as the next win will be tougher to dig up. This was a must win and they won and won on the road huge win for the program as now GS finally has something to sell to recruits and gets an extra 15 or so practices at the end of the year

The kids have worked their asses off they deserve it

What cred? He claims he played high school football… played at Rutgers… if that’s true better he keep his mouth shut about a 19 year old who actually has been pretty good . Tells us he was an OC in … high school… tell me this idiot isn’t just dumb . He’s another poster who should voice his complaints to Schiano… but he won’t.