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I noticed you used the word ' "was" the face of our defense. Are you telling us that you have knowledge that Eliot has left / is leaving the UK staff?
No. I have no knowledge of him leaving, but Stoops has clearly taken over the D. Eliot is now in coaches box eating popcorn and sipping soda.....Stoops claims he's still involved so??? Does Stoops continue to keep him around? Time will tell.
Matt Jones said on his Periscope that Stoops has pretty much become the DC. Does game prep, meetings, etc for the D. Said Elliott pretty much is a glorified position coach at this moment. So look for Elliott to be gone one way or the other.
Stoops had awesome defenses at Florida State, & Elliot's work as D line coach was a huge part in that. So he was very loyal, bringing him here & giving him a promotion. Gave him every chance to show that he could be a major college coordinator, which is the opening door to eventually being a head coach. Sucks, obviously isnt working out.
But it happens, Charlie Strong got the Texas job in large part because of the work his UL offensive coordinator did with Teddy Bridgewater. Strong brought him to be his OC at Texas, was horrible on offense the first year, had to fire him after game 1 of year 2 after 30-3 loss to Notre Dame.
But it happens, Charlie Strong got the Texas job in large part because of the work his UL offensive coordinator did with Teddy Bridgewater. Strong brought him to be his OC at Texas, was horrible on offense the first year, had to fire him after game 1 of year 2 after 30-3 loss to Notre Dame.
Just razzing you a bit on your choice of verbs. I think just about everyone would agree that Eliot isn't / hasn't gotten it done on the UK D.
Had the shot to fire Elliot and get in on Bo Pelini this offseason. Another one of many Stoops gaffes at UK.
I don't want to hear about another "down" season while we shed a position coach and keep Stoops around and claim that the key to the future. At some point the head man has got to go. Outside of Marrow and Ansley...and a lesser degree Neal Brown..none of the coaches Stoops has hired have done the job. (not lumping in Gran/Hinshaw yet at it's only 4 games into the season).
I too think Elliot is gone after the season. I think Stoops will promote House if they see eye to eye.
How many coordinators do we have to fire for the administration to realize there a common theme in all this? I give the OC's a slight pass. I think Brown, Dawson, Gran are all good OC's, esp Gran. I mean the man led some of the most prolific offenses in Cincinnati history. He can run an offense, no doubt about it. The reason I give the others a pass is because of the Stoops micro management theory. And it's hard to dismiss it when at the beginning of the year you hear Gran say we're gunna play really fast and explosive football. Only to have Stoops cut in and say "Well we can't play that fast or the D will suffer". If you tell any coordinator they can't run the offense the way they have their whole career, that unit is going to struggle. It's no coincidence that Gran and the offense have looked tons better since Stoops has been tied up with the D the last couple weeks. You have to at least consider the possibility.
To your point, only 1 coordinator has been fired, that was Dawson. Brown left for a HC job, which anyone would of done in his position. I guess now you can say 2 if you add in Eliot (just relieved of his DC duties), and it happens all over. ND just fired their DC. May be last year wasn't all on Dawson, but we all saw the piss poor play calling he had and refused to give Boom the ball more than 13-15 times per game. Kept running fly routes and leaving our less than average tackles on an island 1 on 1 vs SEC D-Ends. That doesn't work out to well. Im personally glad Dawson is gone. Had UK not been dumb on Defense and not had 3 turnovers on Offense in the 2nd half, the S. Miss game would of been a blow out. Had Blake McClain got that INT on S. MIss's first possession of the 2nd half, we route them.
If a frog had wings it wouldn't bump its *** every time it hopped...
I do believe Stoops was meddling in the offense. Like you said, hopefully he will be tied up with the D and stay on his side of the ball....and stop running 3/4
ray:I strongly suspect the new DC will be someone currently on the staff. Unless there is an unexpected turnaround this year, Stoops will be viewed as a dead man walking by any potential outside DC. Hard to get a good DC to accept the job under that condition.
I don't see why we have to go get another DC after the season to begin with. IF Stoops can turn this D around and make them a quality unit, then why not keep it that way. There are several head coachs that either call the shots on offense or defense without an coordinator. We've seen signs the past six quarters that he knows what he is doing with a defense, so why fix what's working?
Exactly! Muschamp still hasn't learned his lesson on the buddy system.....Roper killed him at UF and whats he do? Hires him as OC at Carolina!....Wow!
The ST coach who went back to LSU, the coach who left for Clemson, at least try an make an informed statement without the emotion.
Geez...you reach down to a special teams coach as to lessen the Stoops gaffe's train at UK? I didn't even mention the dumbest hire Stoops made which was Eric Korem's nut-job idea.
If you can't see Stoops is Bill Curry part II by now, enjoy the kool-aid and watch some old Joker Phillips coached games of UK.
Let's not talk facts on this board. Everyone knows that Brown left because Stoops was handcuffing his offense.
No if you have an argument that's true then tell the whole truth. You mentioned his failures in coaching hires and then proceeded to pick and choose who you wanted. And as far as the ST coach's importance, I remember his leaving led us to the worse STs production ever so yes his hire and loss was very important. I don't drink the koolaid but Stoops isn't like Curry at all, Stoops can recruit, he just has not been a good HC up till now.
Prove Stoops ha dthe chance to get Pelini. That was thrown around on this board with no facts behind it. That is what kills me about society anymore. People are so freakin short minded that they run with everything they hear or read.
Let's see...Stoops had coaches who have left for the following
One to UNC where he played
One to Alabama
One to LSU
One to be the DC for Maryland
One to be a head coach
Only 2 were fired in Dawson and the WR coach for creating drama.
Stoops has a lot to be criticised about, but recruiting and his staff choices are not ones.
We are in year 4 at 2 2 i wish we could atleast wait until this year plays out before we right Stoops off. Gonna be some posters with agendas looking really foolish if we win 6 7 8 games
Something that might work......
Fire Eliot and Brumbaugh. Hire Ed Orgeron when LSU doesn't name him head coach and make him the DC/DL coach here. Let Stoops remain in charge of the D overall, but give Orgeron the title and a nice paycheck. Let him coach up the D-Line up and recruit down south. If he can do those two things well...and he can...he'll be well worth the money. That would actually open up a slot for an extra assistant or position coach as well...perhaps a dedicated special teams guy that doesn't have to do double duty?
Fire Eliot and Brumbaugh. Hire Ed Orgeron when LSU doesn't name him head coach and make him the DC/DL coach here. Let Stoops remain in charge of the D overall, but give Orgeron the title and a nice paycheck. Let him coach up the D-Line up and recruit down south. If he can do those two things well...and he can...he'll be well worth the money. That would actually open up a slot for an extra assistant or position coach as well...perhaps a dedicated special teams guy that doesn't have to do double duty?
As mentioned on another thread, Stoops will have to promote someone (probably House) already on staff. No way any good DC takes this job with Stoops on the hot seat.
One really good comment on another thread is that Stoops should just continue to be DC as well as HC. Several HC's are also their teams OC or DC coordinator.
One really good comment on another thread is that Stoops should just continue to be DC as well as HC. Several HC's are also their teams OC or DC coordinator.
OK...so let me get this straight....
- Chad Scott left as Gran/Hinshaw had the RB covered and no nee for Scott
- Are you serious you think stoops has had good coaching staff?
- So if it isn't the assistants, it's never on Stoops why crap stinks under his watch, he has enormous resources at UK and the on field product is not good...where is the problem? Is it all the kids and the coaches are not the problem?
UK's defense has been the problem....O has produced under every OC. Eliot was the main problem and blame should be placed squarely on Stoops for the D's failure. He should have fired/ demoted Eliot after or during year 2.
Schlarman and Brumbaugh are suspect as well. But I want to see what it all looks like together now that Stoops has taken over DC duties. We cannot fairly judge this by the Bama game. We should have been able to by year 4 but I think Stoops has addressed the main issue of Defense, so lets give it a shot and see what happens vs Vandy, MSU and Mizzou.....those will be the tell tell games if we are improving or not.
And BTW- no I do not consider this a groundbreaking post. Several others have stated this as well.
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What are you even talking about??
-Chad Scott left to join his alma mater UNC.
-Buh took a promotion to become DC
-Ansley took what everyone would agree to be a promotion and went to Bama
-Dale Paveeto left to what most would say is a promotion by going to LSU
-Brown took a promotion to be head coach.
I am.not sure what you are misunderstanding. If these guys were bad coaches, then why we're they sought out at other schools and promoted?
But to answer your question. Change has been the common denominator. Turnover on the staff is difficult. So Stoops is in a catch 22. Hire guys that are really good that will get promoted, or hire lesser coaches and have continuity?
It just baffles me that Stoops left DJ alone to coach the D.! I mean, Stoops was coaching DB's. Are the DB's that far removed from the rest of the D that he couldn't see the debacle taking place? This concerns me, especially when you consider he stated that he was taking a more active roll in the defense last year. Time will tell if the D is really that much improved or South Carolina is just that bad on offense.??
Actually I've known Eliot was the problem for 3 years.....when you score 35-42 pts per game and still lose the DC is generally a good place to start.
Do you really believe UK produced on offense last year? Look at the stats...UK fell in basically every category from 2014 to 2015 all the while bringing back the entire offense save DeMarco Robinson/Blue? Dawson was a total disaster and was rightfully terminated. Mainord's WR were a mess and Schlarman is still a question mark.