Elon Musk upgraded his private jet just last year

[WVPATX]

Ted Cruz Busts Elon Musk for Flying Private Jet While Lecturing Trump on Global Warming
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by LUCAS NOLAN2 Jun 20174,034


Paris Climate Accord. He assured his followers that global warming is real and that leaving the Paris accords is “not good” for America or the world.

Musk, the CEO of Tesla and SpaceX, took to Twitter to announce that he would be departing from all future presidential councils in protest of President Trump’s decision to pull the U.S. out of the Paris Climate Accord. He assured his followers that global warming is real and that leaving the Paris accords is “not good” for America or the world.


Elon Musk‏Verified account@elonmusk
Am departing presidential councils. Climate change is real. Leaving Paris is not good for America or the world.

Hours later, Cruz mocked Musk’s outrage, pointing out that he regularly travels around the country in his own private jet. If the billionaire CEO was so dedicated to reducing the world’s carbon output, Cruz snarked, he would choose to fly commercial planes rather than private ones.

Ted Cruz‏Verified account@tedcruz
Ted Cruz Retweeted Elon Musk

In support of Paris, CA billionaires pledge to never again fly private, will only fly commercial. J/K--will quit symbolic councils instead.

Musk has come under fire previously for his liberal use of his private jet, which he upgraded last year from a Dassault Falcon 900 B to a Gulfstream G650 ER. It was reported in 2010 that Musk took private jets to Washington on at least 12 occasions over the course of two years to lobby the Department of Energy for a loan of $465 million, which Musk’s company Tesla was eventually granted.

Around the same time, Tesla also struck deals with the California Alternative Energy and Advanced Transportation Financing Authority that made the company exempt from up to $320 million in California State sales and U.S. taxes.

Musk has been a vocal supporter of carbon taxes, saying, “All we are doing [with a carbon tax] is trying to match the inherent subsidy for fossil fuels… on the sustainable energy side. Fossil fuels are already getting a massive subsidy if you believe in global warming. If you don’t then [the subsidy] seems really unfair. If you do then it is like oh we are just trying to correct it.”

 

[bornaneer]

Ted Cruz Busts Elon Musk for Flying Private Jet While Lecturing Trump on Global Warming
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Scott Olson/Getty, Mike Windle/Getty Images for Vanity Fair

by LUCAS NOLAN2 Jun 20174,034


Paris Climate Accord. He assured his followers that global warming is real and that leaving the Paris accords is “not good” for America or the world.

Musk, the CEO of Tesla and SpaceX, took to Twitter to announce that he would be departing from all future presidential councils in protest of President Trump’s decision to pull the U.S. out of the Paris Climate Accord. He assured his followers that global warming is real and that leaving the Paris accords is “not good” for America or the world.


Elon Musk‏Verified account@elonmusk
Am departing presidential councils. Climate change is real. Leaving Paris is not good for America or the world.

Hours later, Cruz mocked Musk’s outrage, pointing out that he regularly travels around the country in his own private jet. If the billionaire CEO was so dedicated to reducing the world’s carbon output, Cruz snarked, he would choose to fly commercial planes rather than private ones.

Ted Cruz‏Verified account@tedcruz
Ted Cruz Retweeted Elon Musk

In support of Paris, CA billionaires pledge to never again fly private, will only fly commercial. J/K--will quit symbolic councils instead.

Musk has come under fire previously for his liberal use of his private jet, which he upgraded last year from a Dassault Falcon 900 B to a Gulfstream G650 ER. It was reported in 2010 that Musk took private jets to Washington on at least 12 occasions over the course of two years to lobby the Department of Energy for a loan of $465 million, which Musk’s company Tesla was eventually granted.

Around the same time, Tesla also struck deals with the California Alternative Energy and Advanced Transportation Financing Authority that made the company exempt from up to $320 million in California State sales and U.S. taxes.

Musk has been a vocal supporter of carbon taxes, saying, “All we are doing [with a carbon tax] is trying to match the inherent subsidy for fossil fuels… on the sustainable energy side. Fossil fuels are already getting a massive subsidy if you believe in global warming. If you don’t then [the subsidy] seems really unfair. If you do then it is like oh we are just trying to correct it.”

This is all we need to know:

Musk took private jets to Washington on at least 12 occasions over the course of two years to lobby the Department of Energy for a loan of $465 million, which Musk’s company Tesla was eventually granted.

Around the same time, Tesla also struck deals with the California Alternative Energy and Advanced Transportation Financing Authority that made the company exempt from up to $320 million in California State sales and U.S. taxes.

 

[op2]

Red herring. In terms of resources used, systems matter, not individuals. By your logic nobody could advocate for any kind of environmental policy change on the Internet because they could be using less energy if they weren't using the Internet. For that matter, it wouldn't be legit for you to comment here on someone else wasting energy because you are wasting energy by being on here.

Rich people have private jets. The way to maximize benefit to the environment is to make private jets be as efficient as they can be and to make all other energy systems be as efficient as they can be, not to say that rich people shouldn't fly on private jets.

 

[op2]

This is all we need to know:

Musk took private jets to Washington on at least 12 occasions over the course of two years to lobby the Department of Energy for a loan of $465 million, which Musk’s company Tesla was eventually granted.

Around the same time, Tesla also struck deals with the California Alternative Energy and Advanced Transportation Financing Authority that made the company exempt from up to $320 million in California State sales and U.S. taxes.

The larger car companies have been getting much more from the government for much longer and yet you and others remained silent. But the silence spoke volumes.

 

[TarHeelEer]

Red herring. In terms of resources used, systems matter, not individuals. By your logic nobody could advocate for any kind of environmental policy change on the Internet because they could be using less energy if they weren't using the Internet. For that matter, it wouldn't be legit for you to comment here on someone else wasting energy because you are wasting energy by being on here.

Rich people have private jets. The way to maximize benefit to the environment is to make private jets be as efficient as they can be and to make all other energy systems be as efficient as they can be, not to say that rich people shouldn't fly on private jets.

Why aren't they working on battery powered jets?

 

[WVPATX]

Red herring. In terms of resources used, systems matter, not individuals. By your logic nobody could advocate for any kind of environmental policy change on the Internet because they could be using less energy if they weren't using the Internet. For that matter, it wouldn't be legit for you to comment here on someone else wasting energy because you are wasting energy by being on here.

Rich people have private jets. The way to maximize benefit to the environment is to make private jets be as efficient as they can be and to make all other energy systems be as efficient as they can be, not to say that rich people shouldn't fly on private jets.

Nice try. They are hypocrites. They want you to reduce your carbon footprint, but not them. It is too inconvenient. How many mansions does he own? How much electricity does he use? Talk is cheap.

When he moves into a modest home, drives a Tesla, sells all his carbon eating toys, then he can talk.

 

[WVPATX]

The larger car companies have been getting much more from the government for much longer and yet you and others remained silent. But the silence spoke volumes.

Your guy, Obama, bailed out the auto industry. Far better, as Mitt Romney suggested to let them enter Chapter 11. They would have been better off and the American taxpayer much better off.

 

[op2]

Why aren't they working on battery powered jets?

What makes you think they're not working on battery powered jets?

https://www.technologyreview.com/s/516576/once-a-joke-battery-powered-airplanes-are-nearing-reality/

 

[op2]

Your guy, Obama, bailed out the auto industry. Far better, as Mitt Romney suggested to let them enter Chapter 11. They would have been better off and the American taxpayer much better off.

Car companies have since slurping at the government trough since before Obama his mother gave birth to him in Kenya. What does Obama have to do with anything?

 

[TarHeelEer]

What makes you think they're not working on battery powered jets?

https://www.technologyreview.com/s/516576/once-a-joke-battery-powered-airplanes-are-nearing-reality/

prop planes vs. jets are two very distinct things.

 

[op2]

Nice try. They are hypocrites. They want you to reduce your carbon footprint, but not them. It is too inconvenient. How many mansions does he own? How much electricity does he use? Talk is cheap.

When he moves into a modest home, drives a Tesla, sells all his carbon eating toys, then he can talk.

I don't know how much electricity he uses or what his home is like. What difference does it make? None. He does, of course, drive a Tesla and the fact that you'd assume otherwise is mysterious.

Making better systems is what counts. Of course, within whatever system exists the wealthy will consum more of everything than will the poor, unless you prefer Communism that is. I don't.

 

[op2]

prop planes vs. jets are two very distinct things.

Ya know, everything isn't equally easy. Some technologies can be applied to X before it can be applied to Y. So there aren't battery-powered jets now even though more and more stuff is battery-powered. So what? That means that if someone uses a jet that as of this point in time will necessarily not be battery-powered they're a bad guy in terms of energy usage? That's just plain dumb. You're just searching and searching for a way to oppose it. And it's a real mystery because as I've said in a couple other posts over the past couple days, people like Elon Musk should be the poster child for the GOP. Read up on him.

 

[WVPATX]

Car companies have since slurping at the government trough since before Obama his mother gave birth to him in Kenya. What does Obama have to do with anything?

Obama bailed them out to the tune of billions of dollars. That is what he has to do with it.

I notice you keep harping on subsidies, which is fine. Are you also against all "green" subsidies as well to be intellectually honest?

 

[WVPATX]

I don't know how much electricity he uses or what his home is like. What difference does it make? None. He does, of course, drive a Tesla and the fact that you'd assume otherwise is mysterious.

Making better systems is what counts. Of course, within whatever system exists the wealthy will consum more of everything than will the poor, unless you prefer Communism that is. I don't.

He's a flaming hypocrite and you can't acknowledge it. He lives off the government test. He lives a lavish life style but preaches to us about our carbon footprint. Hypocrite.

 

[op2]

Obama bailed them out to the tune of billions of dollars. That is what he has to do with it.

I notice you keep harping on subsidies, which is fine. Are you also against all "green" subsidies as well to be intellectually honest?

Obama was just a short term part of a long term system that subsidizes the car companies. He coincidentally was POTUS when the car company needed bailed out. If he wasn't POTUS someone else would have bailed them out instead. The system matters, not Obama.

If the big car companies and oil companies weren't receiving what are effectively subsidies from the government for decades than electric cars would have become the norm long ago. If there is a way to accomplish "no subsidies for anyone" then I'm all for it. And Elon Musk is too, as he has stated. But the big car and oil companies aren't for it.

 

[WVPATX]

Obama was just a short term part of a long term system that subsidizes the car companies. He coincidentally was POTUS when the car company needed bailed out. If he wasn't POTUS someone else would have bailed them out instead. The system matters, not Obama.

If the big car companies and oil companies weren't receiving what are effectively subsidies from the government for decades than electric cars would have become the norm long ago. If there is a way to accomplish "no subsidies for anyone" then I'm all for it. And Elon Musk is too, as he has stated. But the big car and oil companies aren't for it.

They DID NOT NEED BAILED OUT. That is what Chapter 11 is for. Many companies have used this before. They were bailed out to protect the unions and destroy the bond holders.

Elon Musk can stop accepting subsidies today. He does not have to wait. If he is against them, just stop taking them.

And it is beyond stupid to say without oil and gas tax issues, electric cars would dominate today. The technology was not there at the time. The technology is not there today.

 

[bornaneer]

The larger car companies have been getting much more from the government for much longer and yet you and others remained silent. But the silence spoke volumes.

Wrong...you have no clue about what you are posting.

 

[BoremanSouth]

Nice try. They are hypocrites. They want you to reduce your carbon footprint, but not them. It is too inconvenient. How many mansions does he own? How much electricity does he use? Talk is cheap.

When he moves into a modest home, drives a Tesla, sells all his carbon eating toys, then he can talk.

Like that time when a republican House wanted to repeal ACA for the country, but not for themselves? You are right. Talk is cheap and hypocrites are everywhere and on both sides.

 

[bornaneer]

What makes you think they're not working on battery powered jets?

https://www.technologyreview.com/s/516576/once-a-joke-battery-powered-airplanes-are-nearing-reality/

You also have zero clues about how JET engines work. There will NEVER be a all electric non carbon burning JET engine.

 

[TarHeelEer]

You also have zero clues about how JET engines work. There will NEVER be a all electric non carbon burning JET engine.

Shhhhhhhh

 

[moe]

Ted Cruz Busts Elon Musk for Flying Private Jet While Lecturing Trump on Global Warming
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Scott Olson/Getty, Mike Windle/Getty Images for Vanity Fair

by LUCAS NOLAN2 Jun 20174,034


Paris Climate Accord. He assured his followers that global warming is real and that leaving the Paris accords is “not good” for America or the world.

Musk, the CEO of Tesla and SpaceX, took to Twitter to announce that he would be departing from all future presidential councils in protest of President Trump’s decision to pull the U.S. out of the Paris Climate Accord. He assured his followers that global warming is real and that leaving the Paris accords is “not good” for America or the world.


Elon Musk‏Verified account@elonmusk
Am departing presidential councils. Climate change is real. Leaving Paris is not good for America or the world.

Hours later, Cruz mocked Musk’s outrage, pointing out that he regularly travels around the country in his own private jet. If the billionaire CEO was so dedicated to reducing the world’s carbon output, Cruz snarked, he would choose to fly commercial planes rather than private ones.

Ted Cruz‏Verified account@tedcruz
Ted Cruz Retweeted Elon Musk

In support of Paris, CA billionaires pledge to never again fly private, will only fly commercial. J/K--will quit symbolic councils instead.

Musk has come under fire previously for his liberal use of his private jet, which he upgraded last year from a Dassault Falcon 900 B to a Gulfstream G650 ER. It was reported in 2010 that Musk took private jets to Washington on at least 12 occasions over the course of two years to lobby the Department of Energy for a loan of $465 million, which Musk’s company Tesla was eventually granted.

Around the same time, Tesla also struck deals with the California Alternative Energy and Advanced Transportation Financing Authority that made the company exempt from up to $320 million in California State sales and U.S. taxes.

Musk has been a vocal supporter of carbon taxes, saying, “All we are doing [with a carbon tax] is trying to match the inherent subsidy for fossil fuels… on the sustainable energy side. Fossil fuels are already getting a massive subsidy if you believe in global warming. If you don’t then [the subsidy] seems really unfair. If you do then it is like oh we are just trying to correct it.”

Stupidest.....argument....ever. You all try to pull that sh*t with Al Gore and whomever. If someone doesn't do their business travel using a bicycle then you and other boneheads try to use this "argument" to shout them down. smh

 

[WVPATX]

Like that time when a republican House wanted to repeal ACA for the country, but not for themselves? You are right. Talk is cheap and hypocrites are everywhere and on both sides.

Finally something we can agree on. The elites in both parties do what is best for them. The will of the people, what's best for the people be damned. They want power and will do anything to retain it.

I am all in favor of term limits. Senate limited to 8 years. Congress limited to 6.

 

[op2]

You also have zero clues about how JET engines work. There will NEVER be a all electric non carbon burning JET engine.

So what? Between the choices of (a) make things more efficient and (b) don't make things more efficient, I choose Option A. How much more efficient a jet engine or anything else can get is completely beside the point. Responding to a proposal to make things more efficient by nothing that someone somewhere is using a lot of energy doing X even though they're doing X as efficiently as is currently possible is simply silly.

 

[WVPATX]

So what? Between the choices of (a) make things more efficient and (b) don't make things more efficient, I choose Option A. How much more efficient a jet engine or anything else can get is completely beside the point. Responding to a proposal to make things more efficient by nothing that someone somewhere is using a lot of energy doing X even though they're doing X as efficiently as is currently possible is simply silly.

LOL. Musk can fly on American Airlines. He can have just one small home. He can greatly reduce his carbon footprint. He chooses not to while preaching to the rest of us. Just like Al Gore.

 

[moe]

LOL. Musk can fly on American Airlines. He can have just one small home. He can greatly reduce his carbon footprint. He chooses not to while preaching to the rest of us. Just like Al Gore.

Quit being jealous of successful people would be good start for you.

 

[WVPATX]

Quit being jealous of successful people would be good start for you.

Actually I am quite successful. Not jealous at all. But I am not a hypocrite as Al Gore and Elon Musk are. Their carbon footprint is huge. Talk is cheap.

 

[wvu2007]

It's another great day to sit back and laugh at liberals like OP2 and Moe.

 

[op2]

LOL. Musk can fly on American Airlines. He can have just one small home. He can greatly reduce his carbon footprint. He chooses not to while preaching to the rest of us. Just like Al Gore.

He could fly on American Airlines but it would cost him time, which is why most wealthy people use private jets, which is to say they're using their wealth to buy time. In Musk's case though at least the time he's buying is spent finding ways to allow lots of other people to use less energy while maintaining or increasing their quality of life.

I don't know how many houses he has but I know that as of a year ago at least when he went to San Fran a couple days week to do his Tesla work (as opposed to his SpaceX work in LA where he has a home) he stays with friends or else sleeps at the Tesla factory. He doesn't own a home on San Fran.

Why don't you do some reading up on him as opposed to just posting here all the time?

 

[moe]

Actually I am quite successful. Not jealous at all. But I am not a hypocrite as Al Gore and Elon Musk are. Their carbon footprint is huge. Talk is cheap.

With Musk's solar cells (Solar City), battery factory being built and electric cars, name me one person who is doing more to clean up the planet's air and to hold down global warming.

 

[WVPATX]

He could fly on American Airlines but it would cost him time, which is why most wealthy people use private jets, which is to say they're using their wealth to buy time. In Musk's case though at least the time he's buying is spent finding ways to allow lots of other people to use less energy while maintaining or increasing their quality of life.

I don't know how many houses he has but I know that as of a year ago at least when he went to San Fran a couple days week to do his Tesla work (as opposed to his SpaceX work in LA where he has a home) he stays with friends or else sleeps at the Tesla factory. He doesn't own a home on San Fran.

Why don't you do some reading up on him as opposed to just posting here all the time?

I could make all the same excuses. My time is so valuable. I need all the fossil fuels possible since it saves me time.

He's a hypocrite. Buying new private jets to save a few hours. Yeah, that will save the planet. You're engaged in excuse making. Talk is cheap.

And you hate subsidies and this guy lives off of them.

 

[bornaneer]

Quit being jealous of successful people would be good start for you.

You mean like you are about Trump?

 

[op2]

I could make all the same excuses. My time is so valuable. I need all the fossil fuels possible since it saves me time.

He's a hypocrite. Buying new private jets to save a few hours. Yeah, that will save the planet. You're engaged in excuse making. Talk is cheap.

And you hate subsidies and this guy lives off of them.

The difference is, he's doing something to affect massive change and you're doing something to affect no change. He flies a lot because he runs about four businesses so yeah, using a private jet does save him a lot of time.

Why not actually read up on him (or on anything) instead of making your millionth post on this board?

 

[moe]

You mean like you are about Trump?

No I'm critical of him because he's not qualified for the job he holds and I hope that our nation can recover from the damage that he's doing during his one term.

 

[WVPATX]

The difference is, he's doing something to affect massive change and you're doing something to affect no change. He flies a lot because he runs about four businesses so yeah, using a private jet does save him a lot of time.

Why not actually read up on him (or on anything) instead of making your millionth post on this board?

He's a hypocrite. Al Gore is a hypocrite. Leonardo DiCaprio is a hypocrite. Talk is cheap.

 

[bornaneer]

With Musk's solar cells (Solar City), battery factory being built and electric cars, name me one person who is doing more to clean up the planet's air and to hold down global warming.

When you liberals do something about this in your liberal cities, I'll listen to you.

 

[op2]

He's a hypocrite. Al Gore is a hypocrite. Leonardo DiCaprio is a hypocrite. Talk is cheap.

Why not instead just put your hands over your ears and say real loud 'LA, LA, LA, I'M NOT LISTENING" over and over.

 

[op2]

When you liberals do something about this in your liberal cities, I'll listen to you.

I don't know for certain but I assume that per capita cities are much more energy efficient than rural areas. But then again some on here yesterday tried to tell us that per capita doesn't matter.

 

[WVPATX]

Why not instead just put your hands over your ears and say real loud 'LA, LA, LA, I'M NOT LISTENING" over and over.

Because you are making excuses. Lead by example. Ever heard that term? When the alarmists start to lead the life they demand of the rest of us, they would have far more credibility.

 

[WVPATX]

I don't know for certain but I assume that per capita cities are much more energy efficient than rural areas. But then again some on here yesterday tried to tell us that per capita doesn't matter.

You finally got something right. Emissions are emission regardless of the number of people.

 

[TarHeelEer]

The difference is, he's doing something to affect massive change and you're doing something to affect no change. He flies a lot because he runs about four businesses so yeah, using a private jet does save him a lot of time.

Why not actually read up on him (or on anything) instead of making your millionth post on this board?

So he's L. Ron Hubbard. Got it.