Who knows who is "in the right" here, if anybody. But this is the NIL world. Live by the sword, die by the sword.
Endenne - GONE
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I beg to differ. Because you don't understand doesn't mean nobody can.No one has any idea what you’re talking about. This has nothing to do with PSU so stop trying to make it about how great PSU is.
I can’t make my point any more clear.
You seem to think 3rd Party Booter NIL contracts can have "commitments" that dictate remaining on the team. I am saying they can't, and Iowa's strict compliance would never allow them, assuming they get to see them.
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As much as I want him gone, I don't hate Tom either. He'll always be a favorite of mine. But when it's time, it's time. This is a Tomlin/Harbaugh situation. Good coaches who have gotten stale. Happens all the time.
Brock is a quitter, Iowa was too tough for him.
Why would I believe his story over anyone elses?
I am sure lots of different people are to blame, including both Mo and Brands.
Maybe a diabolical scheme to "duck" Barr and not hurt his future seeding.
Let’s be clear I don’t think that lookleft is an Iowa fan. So it’s not one of us saying that bs
Brock had found our he had diabetes two months into his freshman yr you moron. Finally got it diagnosed which explained his swings in energy and ups downs. Great talent that would of seen the line up. Another situation that wasnt handled right by staff. Not sure if your smart enough to understand the difficulties of diabetes training and cutting weight.
Oh. Yeah, you’re wrong. Definitely can be (and are) written to say they must be on the team to receive a payment.
I'm guessing multiple "little" things stacked up until it broke the camel's back and this is the fallout. What all those little things were and who was justified in their response to them is going to be completely subjective. I would guess both parties are somewhat at fault and the end result will hurt both parties as well. No winners in this case.
So under the theory that seems to be getting traction here — is this just that Endene realizes (maybe triggered by the kid thing) that his earnings potential outside of wrestling is limited, thus he’s looking for any way to get a bag again next year? Could Iowa’s medical team have cleared him and Mo said I don’t think so? Is that where we are?
For one thing - I said QUITE POSSIBLY - which means exactly that - POSSIBLY. I don't know and neither do you so save your long winded defense of Endenne and you too wait until the facts come out. I was simply pointing out that IF he was dismissed for cause, then many on our board will criticize him while consistently chastising Sanderson for doing the opposite. Also, if you are going to quote me, or put your opinions down like you are objecting to something I said to try and make yourself look as the great defender of the little guy, be accurate. Or - just go continue your ridiculous war with Spooner.
@98lberEating2Lunches Iowa does get rev share $ for wrestling. Cael opted for scholarships doesn't mean everyone did. Iowa St has $1 million rev share . All this talk about $ now is from Rev share $ the big NIL $ for wrestling is over with . NIL Go clearinghouse isn't allowing it.
I wish I could be angry about the Missouri stinks comment, but I can't, and that's not cool!
Too soon. Too dumb. Both!
However, without knowing the details of the MO/WI fiasco, it seems at the very least, he could have some red flags.
Something went sideways there, and I'm guessing it was more than just not wanting to wrestle for Boner.
Two vastly different programs having an issue with the same athlete definitely raises some questions about the athlete in question.
But in the end, this is another WTF situation with Tom. But hey at least we're not talking about the SS or chitty WI dual anymore!
I expect Gabe to go to Tom and offer to wrestle 197.
Wrestling in competition (even if not you preferred/ideal weight class) is better than not competing.
Mo can give a public statement anytime he wants...
The way Ludington looked I'd bet Gabe is winning the wrestle offs, the needs to shirt.
I'm not a Brands apologist by any stretch of the imagination, but this is my feelings on what went down here:
This being the NIL era, I think Mo Endene, an accomplished D3 multi National Champion is given a real shot to be Iowa's starting 197 lber, and they're confident they have their guy for the 2025/26 season. And they clearly did, as it was playing out in the early going.
But they aren't paying him Jacori Teemer or Kyle Parco money, nor should they have. But then, wonder of wonders, he explodes up the rankings to #4 with a great start to the season, solid as hell contributor, but still a small sample size. Likely exceeding anyone's expectations of what they had, possibly including Mo Endene (granted, this young man hasn't tasted defeat often, so he's likely confident, but still not proven at the DI gauntlet level).
So Mo Endene (and maybe his wife with expectant child to boot), think it's time to approach Tom Brands to "rework" his financial package before the 2nd semester starts.
Tom Brands tells him you're doing a great job, but you signed up for what you signed for, for the year and that's what you're getting. (perhaps the funds he's seeking just aren't there, budgeted for, etc. - no idea how it all works, but I bet Tom Brands and good folks like Bob Nicolls do).
So Mo Endene with new baby in tow decides he's not satisfied with that result and starts thinking about his options (which are damn slim IMO), but won't accept what he's been told and now he's pissed (and don't forget Mama, they're a Team too as all the married guys know - especially when it comes to $$$
). Tom Brands says I'm sorry Big Mo, not gonna happen, we don't or can't operate that way, there is no I in Team, etc. So Thank You for your contributions to the Iowa Wrestling program and we wish you well in your future endeavors.
So now we have a brief word from Tom Brands, then silence from all the involved parties, at this time.... But for me personally, I would be stunned, if this scenario I portrayed isn't real close to what happened. Follow the money, ALWAYS follow the money.
He will probably be back in a couple of weeks. Brands tends to suddenly have guys back wrestling that were no longer with the team for a period of time. Permanent doesn't mean permanent in Brands speak and he never even said it is permanent. They need him bad enough that it will probably work out.
or.....the truth which is that he hurt his neck and when his Doctor told him to rest it Brands told him he is fine to wrestle and when Mo put his foot down Brands gave him the boot. Bulged disks are no reason not to compete in Brand's world.I'm not a Brands apologist by any stretch of the imagination, but this is my feelings on what went down here:
This being the NIL era, I think Mo Endene, an accomplished D3 multi National Champion is given a real shot to be Iowa's starting 197 lber, and they're confident they have their guy for the 2025/26 season. And they clearly did, as it was playing out in the early going.
But they aren't paying him Jacori Teemer or Kyle Parco money, nor should they have. But then, wonder of wonders, he explodes up the rankings to #4 with a great start to the season, solid as hell contributor, but still a small sample size. Likely exceeding anyone's expectations of what they had, possibly including Mo Endene (granted, this young man hasn't tasted defeat often, so he's likely confident, but still not proven at the DI gauntlet level).
So Mo Endene (and maybe his wife with expectant child to boot), think it's time to approach Tom Brands to "rework" his financial package before the 2nd semester starts.
Tom Brands tells him you're doing a great job, but you signed up for what you signed for, for the year and that's what you're getting. (perhaps the funds he's seeking just aren't there, budgeted for, etc. - no idea how it all works, but I bet Tom Brands and good folks like Bob Nicolls do).
So Mo Endene with new baby in tow decides he's not satisfied with that result and starts thinking about his options (which are damn slim IMO), but won't accept what he's been told and now he's pissed (and don't forget Mama, they're a Team too as all the married guys know - especially when it comes to $$$
Tom Brands says I'm sorry Big Mo, not gonna happen, we don't or can't operate that way, there is no I in Team, etc. So Thank You for your contributions to the Iowa Wrestling program and we wish you well in your future endeavors.
So now we have a brief word from Tom Brands, then silence from all the involved parties, at this time.... But for me personally, I would be stunned, if this scenario I portrayed isn't real close to what happened. Follow the money, ALWAYS follow the money.
This is part of the problem. Other schools don’t have this type of drama.
I wouldn't say it's quite the trend you believe it to be, but never say never I guess.
A team doctor has the final say regarding medical clearance and any head coach that disputes and/or works around that isn't employed for very long and is a likely recipient of a law suit.
They do have this drama at times. Ed Ruth had the taco Bell incident at PSU. Who knows with AJ at Nebraska. Brands sometimes speaks in absolutes and then softens but it is just how he is wired. Anybody who has actually met Mo knows what a great guy he really is. I expect him back- he was at team weight lifting since he has "no longer been with the team"
My thoughts as well. Add to it an offer from another school if he injury RS for next year since he has somewhat proven himself. If he is cleared to wrestle and wants to sit this year, collect NIL, then hopefully get another medical year next with another bag somewhere else I can see Iowa saying no and moving on from him, especially with Harvey taking over next year even if Mo wanted to stay at Iowa. No idea if this is the case, but it is very plausible imo.I'm not a Brands apologist by any stretch of the imagination, but this is my feelings on what went down here:
This being the NIL era, I think Mo Endene, an accomplished D3 multi National Champion is given a real shot to be Iowa's starting 197 lber, and they're confident they have their guy for the 2025/26 season. And they clearly did, as it was playing out in the early going.
But they aren't paying him Jacori Teemer or Kyle Parco money, nor should they have. But then, wonder of wonders, he explodes up the rankings to #4 with a great start to the season, solid as hell contributor, but still a small sample size. Likely exceeding anyone's expectations of what they had, possibly including Mo Endene (granted, this young man hasn't tasted defeat often, so he's likely confident, but still not proven at the DI gauntlet level).
So Mo Endene (and maybe his wife with expectant child to boot), think it's time to approach Tom Brands to "rework" his financial package before the 2nd semester starts.
Tom Brands tells him you're doing a great job, but you signed up for what you signed for, for the year and that's what you're getting. (perhaps the funds he's seeking just aren't there, budgeted for, etc. - no idea how it all works, but I bet Tom Brands and good folks like Bob Nicolls do).
So Mo Endene with new baby in tow decides he's not satisfied with that result and starts thinking about his options (which are damn slim IMO), but won't accept what he's been told and now he's pissed (and don't forget Mama, they're a Team too as all the married guys know - especially when it comes to $$$
Tom Brands says I'm sorry Big Mo, not gonna happen, we don't or can't operate that way, there is no I in Team, etc. So Thank You for your contributions to the Iowa Wrestling program and we wish you well in your future endeavors.
So now we have a brief word from Tom Brands, then silence from all the involved parties, at this time.... But for me personally, I would be stunned, if this scenario I portrayed isn't real close to what happened. Follow the money, ALWAYS follow the money.
I really hope it is another Gabe scenario honestly.
Sure, that's it. Tom Brands is going to ignore a University Doctor's order and put a kid out there just for the hell of it. Go Team! I didn't even mention the injury (no idea of the severity, and neither do you - if you can provide a link or a quote where Brands talks about it, I'd be happy to read it because I haven't seen anything about it - maybe I just missed it). We know for certain whether it's Iowa Wrestling or Iowa Football, you're never gonna know how small or bad an injury is, and that's always been true. You know when you see the guy on the mat or field again, that he's been MEDICALLY CLEARED and that's all you'll likely ever know.
I don't know Big Mo personally, but we can agree on one thing anyway
, from the outside looking in he does appear to be a fine young man. Whatever happens, I do wish him and his Family well moving forward.
I don't know, "No longer on the roster", sounds like he's Elvis to me.
You clearly know nothing about the situation which is understandable. It wasn't a team Doctor it was Mo's Doctor. The team staff wanted him to get a cortisone shot and keep wrestling. Brands wanted a full return on Bob's investment and Mo wants what is best for lifelong well being. They have reached a point where they can't agree. This will probably mend itself but not in time for the PSU dual. I'm sorry for sharing the truth. Ask Brands and see if he denies it. This is exactly what happened.
I didn't even mention the injury (no idea of the severity, and neither do you - if you can provide a link or a quote where Brands talks about it, I'd be happy to read it because I haven't seen anything about it - maybe I just missed it). We know for certain whether it's Iowa Wrestling or Iowa Football, you're never gonna know how small or bad an injury is, and that's always been true. You know when you see the guy on the mat or field again, that he's been MEDICALLY CLEARED and that's all you'll likely ever know.
Elam match- has stiffness the week before, but it was worse after. Bulged disk.
Not weighing in until the drama dissipates--other than offering an obvious comment that the drama seldom dissipates under Tom. But I appreciate the many hypotheses and insights and wild speculation from others. Like every other Iowa fan, I'm anxious to know what went down and why. In the meantime, just steeling myself for a rough Friday night and hoping for at least one good performance.
He is quoting his own experience, not one mention of Mo telling his side of the story.
Just another loud mouth making accusations!?
He sure is going out on a limb by pointing out that communication isn't Brand's strong point. He (like everyone else) that leaves Iowa is now a bad person and a liar. Long live the cult!