This seems very plausible and I'm not sure what would be a good solution with a net gain for both sides. Just a bad situation for both sides that doesn't seem like it could be avoided very easily. I can see both sides of the argument in this case. Would also explain the tight lips from both sides.
Endenne - GONE
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I don't think Brands did anything wrong and neither did Mo which is why I believe it will get worked out. Tom wants him on the mat but he wants more time to deal with his neck injury. This injury isn't new and he trusts the doctor who has helped him recover previously while Brands of course trusts the team doctors. It is simply a timing thing. Mo's baby was born the day of the sit down scheduled meeting but that isn't the problem. Mo wants to remain a Hawkeye and Brands will probably work it out. A healthy Mo is a dangerous Mo but he won't have a great match count for auto qualifier. He is still lifting with the team and a student at Iowa- he isn't looking to transfer or cash in.
I’m surprised no one has started a Mo Endenne appreciation thread…….
My question is this, if it is indeed related to the neck injury then why would Brands even make the comment that Mo isn’t on the roster anymore?
Seems like he could just say there are things going on and that he doesn’t have an update at this time. You only make this comment if you are damn sure he ain’t coming back. But then again it should have been like that with Gabe too
Seems like he could just say there are things going on and that he doesn’t have an update at this time. You only make this comment if you are damn sure he ain’t coming back. But then again it should have been like that with Gabe too
I agree perhaps you and also me would only make that statement if there was no chance he is coming back, but......Brands has done this before. I hope he is back within two weeks and wrestling.
Always love your takes. There’s always a lot of nuance to these situations. When looking at the many criticisms of Brands in a vacuum I would have more often than not agree with his seemingly principled decisions i.e - Basset allegedly wanting to bend the rules or if Mo tried to essentially extort more $.
I can’t help but think if it’s any other coach than Brands when the Basset blowup happens, there is still a path forward for Bo in the program. Was it really was about being flown in to train or was it the “this is my program and you won’t tell me how to run it.”
At the end of the day, Brands was the right guy for Iowa (cael excluded) until he wasn’t - just like Zalesky.
You seem to know what you're talking about and I won't ask you to identify your source. Given the facts as you presented them -- (i) Mo has a chronic, nagging neck injury, (ii) Mo is a good citizen and wants to remain on the team and is still attending weight-lifting sessions, but (iii) Mo's personal and team doctors disagree about whether he should be wrestling or whether he needs more time to recover and (iv) Mo's not wrestling could impact his seeding and perhaps ability to qualify for nationals -- it is hard to fathom that the coach's response to this set of facts is: "You are no longer on the roster."
If Mo doesn't qualify for nationals, it's almost a certainty no one else on the team will.
Something doesn't compute. Sounds like it's gotten personal and two stubborn people don't want to back down to their mutual detriment.
Come on now, there is no one on Iowa roster or Penn State's roster that resembles Endene. And I'm not saying that that's what happened either.
The only other thing I will say on this is that the optics of his dismissal right after he had his first child are real bad. Especially when there is all that “we are a family” talk. It would have to be something really bad like legal issues or something similar to justify making that decision when that just happened.
I think you see it pretty clearly. I have no idea how the one on one communication went when Brands and Mo sat down together but remember.1. Mo like Brands is a very emotional guy (part of what makes them right for a wrestler and coach) 2. Mo might have been overly emotional as he has wild things happening in his life and he is young (first child-neck injury-stress)3. Mo wants to wrestle when his neck feels better. 4. Brands tends to give people second chances no matter how he reacts initially. I think this will all pass and Mo will be an AA this coming Spring. I'm not even playing who is right and who is wrong but it isn't a case where Mo was trying to extort more money or Brands threw a dart at the board to pick a starter to kick off of the team to rally the troops. Let in unfold.
Who knows what happened, but a jilted bitc* like brock rathbun wouldn't be the source to trust.
Mo money, Mo problemsI'm not a Brands apologist by any stretch of the imagination, but this is my feelings on what went down here:
This being the NIL era, I think Mo Endene, an accomplished D3 multi National Champion is given a real shot to be Iowa's starting 197 lber, and they're confident they have their guy for the 2025/26 season. And they clearly did, as it was playing out in the early going.
But they aren't paying him Jacori Teemer or Kyle Parco money, nor should they have. But then, wonder of wonders, he explodes up the rankings to #4 with a great start to the season, solid as hell contributor, but still a small sample size. Likely exceeding anyone's expectations of what they had, possibly including Mo Endene (granted, this young man hasn't tasted defeat often, so he's likely confident, but still not proven at the DI gauntlet level).
So Mo Endene (and maybe his wife with expectant child to boot), think it's time to approach Tom Brands to "rework" his financial package before the 2nd semester starts.
Tom Brands tells him you're doing a great job, but you signed up for what you signed for, for the year and that's what you're getting. (perhaps the funds he's seeking just aren't there, budgeted for, etc. - no idea how it all works, but I bet Tom Brands and good folks like Bob Nicolls do).
So Mo Endene with new baby in tow decides he's not satisfied with that result and starts thinking about his options (which are damn slim IMO), but won't accept what he's been told and now he's pissed (and don't forget Mama, they're a Team too as all the married guys know - especially when it comes to $$$).
Tom Brands says I'm sorry Big Mo, not gonna happen, we don't or can't operate that way, there is no I in Team, etc. So Thank You for your contributions to the Iowa Wrestling program and we wish you well in your future endeavors.
So now we have a brief word from Tom Brands, then silence from all the involved parties, at this time.... But for me personally, I would be stunned, if this scenario I portrayed isn't real close to what happened. Follow the money, ALWAYS follow the money.
Brocks a good kid, great wrestler and well connected to mo. Its credible. Minus diabetes he wouod of been in hawk line up at 133 and done well. Your a moron
You’re dead wrong about this. NIL contracts can dictate an athlete is enrolled in school and on an active roster. They can’t dictate pay based on playing time or stats. The athletes NIL value is tied to their status as an athlete at a specific school.
Welp, somebody is full of it. There are multiple people on here speaking in absolutes and NOT saying the same thing. Of course those are trying to paint the Brands as negatively as possible. Go figure…
Show me one source.
I'm talking 3rd Party Booster NIL contracts (cannot).
I am not talking university revenue sharing (can).
I see many sources that state the above.
I now understand from @Corby2, Iowa put $1M university revenue sharing to wrestling, and Iowa's booster wrestling clearing house contracts have ceased to exist. (Post in thread 'Endenne - GONE' https://www.on3.com/boards/threads/endenne-gone.8626306/post-179924122)
So now I wonder after this year whether Iowa AD will continue with this funding approach.
Don’t expect him to understand because obviously Cael and PSU and everyone wants to be them and bla bla so he’s right.
In your effort to stop people from convoluting NIL and revenue sharing, of which no one was confusing the two, you’ve managed to to confuse people.
If you don’t think NIL contract payments from collectives can be contingent on being on the team you’re an absolute ill informed idiot.
Also:
Iowa wrestlers are still earning NIL, not revenue share. Corby might be confused or caught on a nuance.
Iowa will continue to dedicate revenue sharing to wrestling for the foreseeable future.
"Can a university's nil collective contract with a student athlete be contingent on continued team membership?"In your effort to stop people from convoluting NIL and revenue sharing, of which no one was confusing the two, you’ve managed to to confuse people.
If you don’t think NIL contract payments from collectives can be contingent on being on the team you’re an absolute ill informed idiot.
Also:
Iowa wrestlers are still earning NIL, not revenue share. Corby might be confused or caught on a nuance.
Iowa will continue to dedicate revenue sharing to wrestling for the foreseeable future.
Plenty of sources state an unequivalent, "No."
Just asked for one source that says "Yes" (with or without conditions).
Kicking a starter off the Team to "rally the troops". That's uhhhummmm......Oh boy.
I am speculating to be sure, but for me personally, the money thing is much more plausible, the injury part not so much.
I don't believe 2 things for one second:
A. That Tom Brands has the last say when an "injured" athlete can compete. I'm not a University of Iowa Lawyer, but that's a Doctor's call IMO, and if someone can prove otherwise, I'd be happy to concede I was wrong.
B. That Tom Brands is going to actually kick a wrestler off the Team because of an injury if they can't find common ground on the severity (see Doctors call). And that's any wrestler, not just Mo Endene. That's just not going to happen, regardless of how much eligibility said wrestler has left, starter or not. I'll stand corrected if anyone has proof that has ever happened under Tom Brands, or anybody else for that matter. It makes ZERO sense to me (even when you factor in Tom Brands proclivity for not saying much, if anything, regardless of topic).
You open yourself up to a lot of legal peril by doing such things, and I don't think Tom Brands is a genius, but he's not nearly as dumb at the haters want to portray (and he has plenty of people to access for guidance on such matters). I actually believe he cares for all the athletes under his watch, at all times. He wouldn't be where he is for as long as he has if he didn't.
relax Brock.
97 is not real deep in Big ten. He may end up taking someone else spot. Of course, if he returns.
Iowa gets rev share. I said Iowa St gets 1 million.
When Mo came he got NIL before NIL Go . People were saying he's gonna look for a medical and move on that $ would be rev share $ . Wrestlers are still getting NIL $ but it's not much. NIL Go has cleared over 15,000 deals in all sports and the average is just under $7,500 . With NIL Go now a thing you can't say we will give you X amount because it's gotta pass the clearinghouse. With Rev share you can say we will give you X amount and not have to worry about the clearinghouseIn your effort to stop people from convoluting NIL and revenue sharing, of which no one was confusing the two, you’ve managed to to confuse people.
If you don’t think NIL contract payments from collectives can be contingent on being on the team you’re an absolute ill informed idiot.
Also:
Iowa wrestlers are still earning NIL, not revenue share. Corby might be confused or caught on a nuance.
Iowa will continue to dedicate revenue sharing to wrestling for the foreseeable future.
This would check a lot of boxes. As I said earlier I also agree Mo will be back. The Brands are control freaks and overreact. I appreciate everything they have done but the act grew old after about 5-6 seasons in. I've been ready to move on for over a decade. But I thought I can put up with the act as they can coach. But its really obvious they arent developing individuals to a level that is satisfactory anymore. I dont have any faith they will do much with a good 27 class.
Again if they didnt have Bobs checkbook to bail them out of holes in the lineup-how bad would it really look?
I will never understand why some in this cult think Iowa wrestling will cease to exist without the Brands brothers.
What’s a moron?
Oh. My lack of attention to detail. Thanks for pointing out my misreading.
And NIL revenue share can have performance and participation conditions, while a NIL Go cleared contract couldn't?
Is that your understanding of the current NCAA rules?
THEN COMES THE QUESTION of whether the athlete's performance is part of the deal. The Big Ten's template states that the athlete is not being paid in exchange for his or her "commitment to attend the Institution or participate in the Institution's Program." But a footnote to the 10-page document states that, in order to receive their money, players must remain enrolled at the institution and be listed on the team's active roster.
NIL contracts have employment and pay-for-play all over them, experts say
Direct payments to athletes in the expected $2.8 billion NCAA settlement might not solve schools' legal woes
www.espn.com
My source is the guy who runs Iowa's NIL. He's 100% by the book and been doing it from day 1.
Like seriously...you really think the guys now on the PSU football team who are transferring from ISU are still going to get NIL money from ISU? It's not happening.
I do think Iowa is in the $1M range as well.
So no public source like an NCAA publication or law office addressing booster NIL contracts?
Why don't you ask your guy whether that NIL $ is from university revenue sharing that resulted from the House settlement?
Then ask him whether he's been involved in the university NIL collective (funded by boosters) or other independent 3rd Party booster contracts, and whether they can include team participation or performance clauses by NCAA rule?
We might get somewhere.
So quarterbacks and edge rushers getting six or seven figures to play football are all being paid by revenue sharing and not NIL? With so many athletes in the football portal (4,000?), it seems to me that the average NIL GO number that you posted would be a lot higher than $7500.
Does anyone have an idea what the IOWA Football revenue share number is versus the $1MM that wrestling is reported to have received?
Tom could afford to make his revenue share payment this month, so he used the loophole of removing Mo from the roster?
Now he's trying to avoid the RepMo man while a few checks clear?
Response and likes from clowns that kiss the balls of TB! Hows that going for you all about now! Enjoy your slide to 8th